New Clevos with Max-Q?

It seems that the clevo as well this one from eurocom and the msi63 are getting around 14500 firestrike graphics while the zephyrus scores higher at 16k. It must be the TDP implementation.

 

I think I would have expected a bigger gap between the 1070mq models and 1080mq Zephyrus, that makes sense.

 

I believe he's referring to the Asus GX501VS (1070MQ; 16200 points) while you're thinking of the GX501 (1080MQ; 18500 points)

 

Totally missed that part, thought it was the original 501 referred to.

 

It looks like the P957 has a capped TDP on it. Most notably the furmark/prime test only pulls 159W.
For comparison, a P651 (6700HQ) with a regular 1060 pulls 174W and N850HP6 with regular 1060 pulls 180W.

So it definitely looks bad compared to the GX501 version of the 1070MQ. But then you have to consider that they've cut 20W off it.

Also worth noting the GX501 chassis does indeed seem to do it's job at cooling significantly better. Guess that expensive buy price had to go somewhere

 

We are still tuning BIOS/EC/VBIOS so we can get overall performance much higher. Also we are planning to make Special Unlocked Edition of Q5 but without MAX-Q limitations. Would you guys accept 65dBA "noise" but in return get better performance?

 

So is that a full 1080 / 1070 / 1060 level performance GPU, after removing Max-Q limitations?

A full performance GPU optimized for thermal output in a small frame laptop with 1070 / 1060, maybe even a 1080?

 

We will focus only on 1070 and get max price/performance ratio. For 1080 we have GPU- and CPU- upgradeable models that we are upgrading soon to Coffee Lake.

 

65dBA is a bad idea. Even what was previously the loudest notebook ever tested (Aorus X3 with Hotwell and 970M) was 60dBA. I have racks of servers that operate at less than 60dBA.

From what I can tell of Notebookcheck's review, I personally think the best bet is to split the difference and target ~55-56dBA and close the performance gap to the GX501VS. If you can get that Firestrike graphics score to ~15200-15500 (1080p) then that puts you well above the GS63VR-7RG (the realistic competitor to the P950HR) and hopefully at a better price. With the lack of G-Sync (due to lack of Mux) and no Thunderbolt3, the P950HR had better be faster than the GS63 if it's going to be just as loud. As it stands

Now that I think about it, why the hell didn't Clevo implement TB3 on the P950 series?

What blows my mind, is the PA70HP/S models (ie the 17" versions) have G-Sync with MUX AND TB3 in them! A first and literally the perfect combo P600 users have been dying for and yet, why didn't this flow down to the 15" version? They both use the same old Alpine Ridge chip that's been floating around since the P600 and P700 series. I previously accepted the P650/670 didn't get TB3 implemented due to time constraints but that shouldn't have happened with the P950

 

gtx1060 is enough for that model IMO

P950 could be better with a bigger battery and a thunderbolt3 port

 

why are people still not over maxQ, should be renamed to max milk really.

overheating, overpriced, soldered BGA junk, no thanks!

 

I mean, you aren't exactly limited in choices, they account for like 5% of available models and are in the first generation of the product. If in the next few iterations they a)haven't solved the heating issues or b)have actually replaced regular and MXM models entirely, THEN I'll complain. But until then I don't think it's worth worrying about if you don't like it.

 

Expect Nvidia will go back to its roots. Mobile graphics, but BGA all the way and lower performance than it's desktop models. Goodbye laptops. We already seeing the direction. Maybe they close the gap vs. before. Now 10-15% lower performance vs. desktop graphics as the normal. Vs. 30% lower performance they used to put for Mobile graphics.

 

I'm thinking they're going to continue both lines for the moment at least. I think they still want to have the M type cards, but the popularity of the non-Ms will mean they will stick around as well.

 

Yeah, probably. But a damn smart move from Ngreedia
remove the older M branding and replace it with the more expensive Max-Q oh'well, we will see more of their greed when Volta coming We need AMD step up as with their processor line.

 

I hope AMD hits from the workstation side myself. That area needs a refresh IMO and AMD should be the one to do it.

 

The older M products used cut down die too remember.

 

And was still expensive. Nvidia would probably charge same bucks for cut down or not for the top dogs Volta M.

 

I don't think they(M cards) were expensive because nVidia made them expensive. I think the notebook community tried charging a lot for them and it apparently worked so they decided to keep them expensive. Speculations.

 

I kind of miss the days of old M series GPUs. In the sense that they were abundant and selling an old card to fund an upgrade was pretty straightforward. Now there's so few new gen MXM machines in the wild and no potential market to sell off a second hand GPU to upon upgrade. It really screwed up the whole ecosystem.

 

Nope, always expensive.

 

Back when I was holding out hope for a 100% modular laptop platform, it seemed like it might be a possibility, but now I'm just happy to get the CPU/GPU socketed.

 

I'll take it any day. Slim pickings though... bloody slim pickings

 

That has its plus points and negative points though, partly the homogenisation of the market.

 

True, though I would think only at the top end. And it might end up making some things more expensive to compensate for a drop in entire unit sales.

 

The other compromise is size and a lack of focus of design (ie knowing exactly what power everything consumes lets you design accordingly).

 

Size for sure, I would think cooling and to a lesser extent power could be solved as part of the modularity, the GPU module itself would have its own cooling integrated, and different power adapters would be available, possibly as part of module packages to account for additional draw, sort of like how some of the bigger models had a splitter and extra adapter but the same plug depending on what GPU was in them.

 

Yeah but you know someone will upgrade the gpu and just leave the psu as is and say it's broken

 

A risk of modular design is that someone will come up with a combination that doesn't work. Could be partly solved by including the PSU as part of the upgrade, but I get where you're coming from.

 

Definitely can see that happening. Sellers should take the same approach they do with desktops in that regard no? I don't know why laptop users get treated like imbeciles all the time?? but I'm going to go out on a limb and say you've had your fair share of them.

 

Not really imbeciles, there's a lot of incorrect expectations, but that's far more affected by a lack of information than lack of intelligence. That sort of thing is present in any industry and I'm definitely guilty of it myself.

 

They are more expensive and harder to work with.