New Sager NP8952 Max-Q Laptop

I didn't see a thread in progress about this so I thought I'd start a new one.

Given the idea that Max-Q is the lite version of it's level, am I safe to assume that a 1070 MaxQ that comes in the new 8952 is equivalent to say a 1060Ti? And if that is the case, is it worth the $200 price upgrade from the NP8950 with just a 1060 in it?

Also, given neither one has a 120hz refresh rate screen and just the 8952 has an option for 4k, is the 4k worth it and wouldn't it be just a huge battery drain?

Just trying to get some thoughts and ideas on this new machine compared with the 8950.

 

I thought the MaxQ's whole benefit was reduced weight and slimmer form factor. It's not much cooler and it's definitely slower (15% I think) so take that as will. I think it's a good niche product for those who want super thin portable gaming machines.

 

It's taking the top chips and sliding them down to rest in the most efficient part of their clock/power consumption curve which typically gives better performance than a lower chip at that same point.

 

In another thread I mentioned that it's an upgrade either way from the 1070. You either take the raw performance upgrade of the regular 1080 or the smaller performance upgrade of the 1080 Max-Q and get the temperature / sound / form factor upgrades that come with that chip. Both are additional value, just with MQ not all of it is performance.

 

Is the 4k monitor worth it and is it battery destroying?

 

IMO if you care about battery life then the 4k is not worth it as it will hurt battery times.

 

Unless you really need the detail for work, a 4K screen will only result in lower performance and weird scaling issues on laptops. I don't personally recommend them unless you have very specific requirements for visual work like editing, and directly recommend against them for gaming. With 1080p 120Hz panels available, for a gaming laptop it's not even a choice in my mind.

 

^This . I opted for 13 inch Quad HD+ display (3200x1800) , it's much more beautiful than 1080p IPS Panel but most apps don't scale correctly . I don't regret my decision but still ...
You won't have worry about battery life unless you game at 4k (because that will activate your dGPU). Most of the time , your display resolution is handled by Intel HD and Intel HD doesn't consume much power , even at 4k

 

Yes. Intel HD default supports 4K at I think 24Hz or 30Hz, and you likely won't notice much in day to day operation.

 

See I like the new maxq sager coming out. I'm just sad there's no 120hz monitor. It's just what I've been looking for in every other way though. Thin and light, decent battery that's not dead in an hour, easy to travel with and I can game on it.

 

Yeah, a 120hz screen would be nice, but I haven't seen any options for that. Maybe hopefully in the future we might see more models with that option.

 

Only MQ model I've seen in person was the Zephyrus and the 120Hz panel is definitely a selling point.

 

MSI has a 120hz as well but the Zephyrus is $2700 and MSI is $2400 without any upgrades. I don't know if 120hz is worth $700 or $1,000 more. I hope to see more options with MaxQ coming out soon.

 

Have we seen any optimus based designs paired with a 120hz panel?

 

Well , if you want 120Hz IPS thin gaming notebook , you should take a look at this :
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834234458
22022 points in 3Dmark11 , about the same performance as Asus Zephyrus GTX 1080Max-Q for $1000 less , it is a no brainer to me
Full review :
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-ROG-Strix-GL502VS-Notebook-Review.171567.0.html
Tempeture (Prime95 + Furmark)
Asus ROG Strix full fat GTX 1070 (GL520VS) : 58C on CPU , 65C on GPU
Screenshot :
https://www.notebookcheck.net/filea...rix_GL502VS-FY032T/Stresstest_Akkubetrieb.png
Asus Zephyrus GTX 1080 wanna be (GX501) : 97C on CPU , 86C on GPU (Yeah, throttle to da max)
Screenshot :
https://www.notebookcheck.net/fileadmin/Notebooks/Asus/Zephyrus_GX501/stresstest.JPG

 

Yup, P651RP6-G / XMG P507 KB version

 

Good point, my mind skipped that one over as it is a hybrid.

 

I agree that the GL502VS has a great performance for the price, but I doubt those temperatures under such a stressful stress test are correct. Core temps should be high 80s low 90s for the CPU, not 58C CPU.




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just curious, is there an equivalent of this same P651RP6-G / XMG P507 KB with exact same features/specs sold in the U.S. ? personally i have not seen this model Clevo P651RP6-G offered here in the states.

 

is it this?

 

Sorry, I miss typed in my first post. The XMG P507 I meant to state is the P651HP6-G - the Kaby Lake version, not the RP6 whichbis the older Skylake model. You can always swap the 0 for a 1 as the third number, it dictates the chassis material finish.

The chass itself is readily available in the US, Sager sell it as the NP8156, but not with the 120Hz panel as an option. That's down to what is purchased from Clevo, we ordered chassis with both the 60Hz and 120Hz but some will have only ordered with one of the panel options.

We do ship world wide, if they aren't available in N. America.

 

So how does it work, does Clevo have different panel types like 60hz, 120hz, 4k etc... and the reseller can pick which to supply or do they just have one style?

 

Yup, each chassis has a small number of panel options...usually 2 or 3...and when you place orders with Clevo you select the panel in the same way that you select the CPU or GPU in a bga chassis. It gets quite numerous quickly, for example if a chassis has 7700HQ, 7820HK, 1060 gtx, 1070 gtx, 60Hz FHD, 120Hz FHD, 4K, you have 12 possible chassis to chose from and potential order.

 

I wish the average Joe could just buy the chassis they want and put the rest in with the parts they want. It actually sounds like a fun endeavor.

 

The MSI GE72VR / GE73VR, and it looks like there are a few others now.

I thought Intel couldn't get the iGPU's running stable at 120hz... that's changed with Skylake / Kabylake

 

Intel now allows overclocking/third party EDID software. There are plenty of people with Optimus based laptops overclocking their displays well beyond 60Hz and its working fine.

 

Yup, it looks like Intel Skylake / Kabylake iGPU's are supporting some 120hz Optimus laptops as well.

 

It's nice the optimus users have that option now It was a weird hole in intel's GPU drivers.

 

I agree with you fully. I had a 4k screen on my P750ZM and hated it for these reasons. The only reason I ended up buying it was that the regular screen was on B/O and I needed a new system ASAP so I could take it with me to school in Germany from the United States.

 

Don't forget the battery life hit too, the backlight has to work harder to shine through a smaller gap.

 

Also true. There are very few advantages to 4K in laptops right now to make up for these disadvantages right now.

 

Would anyone recommend this computer over the N850hp6?

Kinda want a 1070 gtx but I'm a sucker for thin designs. My main worry with these thin designs is the heat. I currently own a 4 year old macbook pro retina but I kinda want to have a pc again with power. I owned a few dells before my macbook but they didn't survive longer than 1,5 years.


Also, the Aero 15 looks extremly nice but hardly available where I live

 

The 1070 Max-Q version won't be a big upgrade over the 1060 in performance, but the P950HP has a nice design overall. It's up to you/your budget whether the slight boost in GPU capability is worth another $500, give or take.

 

If you're worried more about form factor than performance it's a good upgrade.

 

Well the same design with a 1060 costs $200 so it's if that boost is worth that to you.

 

See I also looked at the Aero 15 but wasn't sold on it with the cost once I upgraded it to where I wanted it. I also was interested in getting a macbook pro but I do some gaming in WoW, Diablo and GW2... I hear they aren't great for performance with games over a traditional pc especially with the price tag.

I'm really dying to get a thin laptop with a remotely decent battery life, 120Hz that I can game with (and has to be aesthetically appealing... that's where the Asus Rog loses me). So I may have to wait a little longer and see what Sager comes out with next.

 

Once the 2.5" bay gets dumped hopefully we get larger batteries in this size class.

 

a p640hk1 without hdd and a battery bigger than that 45 Wh Lithium-Ion, 3 cells could be awesome IMO

 

The 2.5" drive is a requirement for quite a lot of companies which use Clevo chassis, otherwise they could be banished from some chassis and then with extended batteries - this is actually something we have been discussing for some time already.

 

dell made that with xps 9550




and now with xps 9560





asus made that on ux501vw


gigabyte doesn't use hdd on

aero 14



aero 15


your p641hk1 could have a bigger battery life without hdd. customers ask big batteries for this kind of laptops. do you think that a battery upgrade for existing p640 could be possible?


p950hp6 is a very good laptop (for what I heard) but that battery is not enough. it could easily win against dell xps/zenbook/aero with another battery form factor

 

It's always physically possible, you could get a pack that sits in the 2.5" bay and the wires go over but it's just the cost of such a thing to be made. If it's easy and can be a single module I would like to have it as an upgrade option personally.

 

@sicily428 photo overload! But you forgot the Gigabyte P34 ;-)

There's a couple of recent chassis we wanted this option in, but didn't work out. Chassis design needs to take the battery and 2.5 bay into account from the start and then you're looking at potentially higher costs because the larger battery could be unique to that chassis.

If more companies request this option, as we do, the it will make it to the market!

 

I like photos
is this?
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Gigabyte-P34W-v5-Xotic-PC-Edition-Notebook-Review.158665.0.html


is it a clevo?
are mbp, xps, aero made by the same ODM?

mbp 15

 

Think it was the P34 V4, but as stated it's a Gigabyte chassis - not Clevo.

Chassis ODM topic is a minefield. Some companies use multiple ODMs and even if you spend a lot of time looking into the topic you'll still not know from which ODM every individual chassis originates.

 

We could glue in the battery like apple I suppose.

 

sometimes ODMs talk about their creations
http://www.compal.com/case-study/laptop-dell/

so compal makes Dell xps 13

here some infos about hp spectre and piston hinge

so compal makes HP Spectre 13
http://www.compal.com/case-study/laptop-hp/

 

I think the 2.5" drive should stay, or be left in as an option for customers, because we still cannot get > 1 TB storage within $100 using just SSDs. And I hardly need mention that M.2 SSDs are still extremely expensive...

 

Sager NP8952 (Clevo P950HR) Detailed Review & Benchmarks
nVidia GTX 1070 Max-Q 8GB


Sager NP8952 (Clevo P950HR) nVidia GTX 1070 Max-Q 8GB, 7th Gen Intel Core i7
https://www.gentechpc.com/product-p/sager-np8952.htm

 

Anyone purchased/received the NP8952 yet? Also should there be a dedicated Owner's Lounge for Sager NP8952 or just join the existing Sager NP8950 Owner's Lounge thread?

 

I also doubt it overclocks to 2ghz core and 9008mhz vram like my Clevo Sager gtx 1070 does.

Max-Q is just another term for hindering to make it colder and smaller in theory.