New Tom's Hardware gaming laptop review

Great Job Killer and Eurocom..

And Xotic is in the conclusion...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-notebook-roundup,2023.html

 

16 pages...I'll read that next time Tom's Hardware...I trust them more for desktops than notebooks.

They didn't even mention its a 15'' !!! (or at least, in the conclusion. )

 

The pics is 860TU, but in test pc name is 570TU.........

 

What would people say are playable frame rates in crysis?

 

Don't know first hand, but cinema quality is 30 FPS. I would default to that.

Maybe I'm wrong, and if I am I'm sure that I'll find out.

But I must say, hats off to Mark at K|N for a strong showing.

 

Hrrm ok, i think TV is 24 / 25 depending on USA or UK so tbh the 27 fps they claim is unplayable on crysis is errm....wrong?

 

NTSC=29.97 FPS
PAL=25 FPS

As far as "playable" frame rate I don't know yet, but as soon as I get my Nagamaki I should know.

 

Ditto, i'm getting my Xtreme 620 hopefully tomorow so will install crysis and see how its goes. Can't play it on my current comp as the proc isn't gd enough + i don't want to ruin the experience of playing it on bad gfx settings

 

awesome thanks for the link

 

That article was riddled with errors. D9C? Armia? Obachi? and since when is the 15 inch chassis the M570TU?

Other than that, the Odachi pretty much routed everything.

The G71V isn't even in same league as the others (including the 15 incher). THey should have used the Asus G70SG with the 2x 9800M GTS in SLi.

 

I'm guessing this phrase in the setup:

"We instead had to use the vendor-specific 176.02 driver supplied by Eurocom."

might explain a bit the low scores. Also 2 Gb of ram and a middle range hdd used by Eurocom.

I mean, vendor supplied drivers... .

 

I like how toms hardware made this comment: "Although they come from a previous generation of named graphics processors, the GeForce 8800M GTX GPUs used in Killer Notebooks’ Odachi are actually better than the 9800M GTs used in Alienware’s m17x. Again, chalk it up to poor naming on Nvidia’s part.

From an architecture standpoint, the two mobile components are similar. Both center on the G92M GPU manufactured at 65 nm. Both include 96 unified shader processors fed by 512 MB of GDDR3 memory on a 256-bit bus. Where the components differ is clock speed. The 8800M GTXs boast 560 MHz clocks, 1,400 MHz shaders, and 900 MHz memory. All three figures are faster than what you’ll get from the 9800M GTs"
That might be becuase they are OC'd Toms Hardware. Its not that the 8800m gtx is any better, its just that he OC'd his. Which is totally cool, it is a competition, but I would assume that Tom's Hardware would be able to figure that out.

 

Tom's Hardware is not ran by Tom anymore... sold out a while back.

I put these guys up to the same level as Ziff Davis reviewers.... average but not the best.

 

"9800m GT not playable at 1280*1024, high"- they should stick to reviewing desktop gpu's if they can't update the drivers...........

Also, where did they get those prices from? I hope none of you guys are actually playing $4000+ for SLI on that Odachi or $3000+ for the Alienware ...., or $2000 for that 128bit Asus............... that is shocking and ridiculous

 

I hate to break it to you, but that is pretty much what those systems are going for now at least maxed or near maxed out (as they were tested).

I was going to pay $4k+ for a 9262 aka Odachi with a quad core, 4 gigs ram, sli etc.

 

I noticed that also. Also looks like they need to brush up on their math. lol

I am surprised ASUS didnt bring the G70SG

 

Well the G70SG isn't available for sale right now; maybe it's just not ready yet?

 

Looks like you left out the rest of the paragraph:

That’s quite a substantial spread on the prices of these premium notebooks. However, those figures reaffirm the Odachi as an attractive buy. It’s hard to compare the prices of Killer Notebooks’ hardware choices to desktop equivalents without factoring in the Clevo chassis. But we did price another D900C with similar components from XoticPC and ended up with a $4,017 price tag— without an operating system or Killer’s in-house tweaks. If anything, Killer is able to do what its VAR competition can do, with the added value of hardware optimizations and software tweaks specially developed for enthusiasts able to appreciate the hours of work that go into each of Killer Notebook’s systems.

 

Yet somehow they managed to spend $1200 more on an extreme processor, and list that laptop as $4k. Really ehhhh review, imo. A few models missing, why mix in 15 and 17inchers, etc? The review was fun to read, mainly for pictures and whatnot, but it's not a good review, unless by review you mean "paid for by Alienware." Last I pricechecked, KillerNotebooks was quite a bit higher than Xotic, as well (meh, reviewer...), and imo that's not worth it to real "enthusiasts" (that would be: the people that like optimizing and fiddling, not rich kids who don't want to put effort into their sparkly painted notebook).

 

Why not just get a desktop for $1500 with 2 or 3 GPU's? How much does the Odachi weigh? 11-14lbs? That is crazy talk, you could get a desktop & another 256bit laptop for that price.

 

The Supreme Commander benchmarks are way too low for every system tested. Even my comp can average 30fps on medium details, so there's no way that an SLI, Quad-Core equipped machine is just hitting 30fps at 1280x1024.

 

You certainly could, if you had the space to keep a desktop lying around, and didn't have a toddler in the house with a predilection for confusing PBJs with CD/DVDs. This comment is so trite and pointless, and so blitheringly obvious, that one wonders why it keeps cropping up so often; the only sufficient rejoinder would seem to be "no duh."

 

I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to oATL who stated:

and I simply explained that if you afford for that 'odachi', you can make room for a desktop that is 3-4 times more powerful and costs 4 times less. The fact that those systems are priced the way they are, and guys like oATL are willing to pay for them tells me it's not 'blitheringly obvious'..... , also: please, spare me the synonyms for simple words when you try to get a dam point across, it saves my time, and yours.

 

Can I have the spec-sheet of the system that is between 3-4 times more powerful than a 3.0 Ghz quad core ( between 36 and 48 Ghz combined processing core power) and gets 42,000 to 56,000 3D06 Marks for $1,000 ($4,000 / 4 = $1,000) ?

I would like to build it.

 

and if you move around on business and stay in hotels 75% of your time?

 

This is "Notebookreview" not "Desktopreview".
Yeah we all know you can build a cheaper desktop that put up better numbers...blah blah blah.
Some people do actually take there systems on the road for more than gaming!
It's difficult taking my desktop apart and putting it together in my car.

 

Oh, yeah sure, no problem

Case: Rosewill R5604-TBK - $55
Mobo: GIGABYTE GA-EP35-DS3L - $90
PSU: CORSAIR CMPSU-450VX - $70
Insert Quad Core Here
Insert 3*GTX280 SLI or 2*4870 Crossfired Here
Insert 4 GB RAM Here
Optical drive: LITE-ON Black 20X DVD burner - $24
Hard drive: Seagate Barracuda 250GB - $60

You do the math

 

Rejoinder = "Retort"
Trite = "parroting some timeworn axiom"
Toddler = Tike
Predilection = Penchent

So we would have:

"You certainly could, if you had the space to keep a desktop lying around, and didn't have a tike in the house with a penchant for confusing PBJs with CD/DVDs. This comment is like parroting some timeworn axiom and pointless, and so blitheringly obvious, that one wonders why it keeps cropping up so often; the only sufficient retort would seem to be "no duh."



Trance

 

Thanks for telling how to spend all are hard earned money ARom

 

No, my dear friend, you were talking to everyone including me and everyone who hasn't yet, but will, register as a member on NBR. If you want to talk to someone in particular, use a private message, that's what they're there for.

Ok. You're a terrible speller. The word you want is "****ed," as in condemned to spend eternity in the underworld, or worthy of being so condemned, not "dam," which is a rather ambiguous word with a lot of different meanings, such as non-human mother, earthen structure used to build up a lake, etc...; see, e.g., the Wikipedia disambiguation page on dam.

 

Haha man I love this guy^^^

 

You purchase a 256bit laptop 50%-59% of that $4000.00USD price tag.

 

If you ignored him, why did you waste all that energy to use his quote and type "ignored". Too much energy spent just to ignore someone.

Anyway, maybe we should get back to the OP's original thought before Chaz yells at us. And I hate being yelled at.

 

So I can only game and do heavy processing at home? one week a month?

I don't think so.

 

You mean they make gaming DESKTOPS??? I'll have to look into that.

 

whatever man, its your cash, not mine[ ]. But \It's a shame you guys keep feeding the cash cows

 

mooooooooooooooooo

 

Ok, this is just a head-scratcher...ignored? To paraphrase Inigo Montoya from The Princess Bride, I do not think that word means what you think it means, Vizzini.

 

Will wonders never cease!

 

This is a good build.
We don't have a monitor, mouse, keyboard like a notebook has.
The processor that is supposed to be 3-4 times more powerful than a Q9650 is just " insert quad core here"
That mates to a $90 motherboard with a positive rating of 60%???
You have 2 GB of RAM compared to the 4 GB the notebook has.
A single 250 GB hard drive instead of three hard drives set up as RAID 0.
Were running two graphics cards off of a $65 450 watt PS???

I have to stop... this is ridiculous.

 

this is a LAPTOP forum! have you not noticed yet? people will spend there money how they will, and personally if I had the money I would spend it on something from Killer Notebooks.

I think our reviews done by our members are much better by the way.

 

C'mon guys everyone knows that you can buy a much faster desktop much cheaper then a d901c. With the latest RAMs and NVIDIA Cards. The problem is the value proposition of the d901c for ARom is not there, and he doesn't understand how it can be for other people.

It is quite natural indeed. You can buy a Case + LCD + motherboard + keyboard for under $500. A Clevo D901c starts at $1400 give or take (with no extras). Top mobile cards are more expensive then the top desktop cards and are twice as powerfull. 3.5 HDDs are cheaper and so a RAMs. So a major price difference is inevitable if you know what you want.

It is a question of option(s). If you need a powerfull and versatile mobile workhorse and play games then there is nothing more powerfull and cheaper then the d901c ($3300 to $4000 in SLi). If you just want a gaming system to play games the best tech you can and once and awhile go to lan parties, then Desktop is the way. If you need a light notebook ($1000) and an extreme gaming system ($2000) then buy a light notebook and a gaming system ... it is cheaper and you get more for the money.

Trance

 

Your quite right indeed, we all know how it works. But painfully we all keep being reminded that our purchases are overpriced! WE KNOW THAT!

Im very happy with the $1500 I paid for my laptop, and im sure I oculd have a much more powerful desktop, Just GPU wise maybe. My CPU is pretty up to par with most modern day desktops, the only thing it would lag in is GPU, but I love portability and i need it for school.

In the end its the user that fills out their needs, whether it be a desktop or laptop.

 

This thread is no longer on topic and is now closed.

It is ridiculous - from what I can see, you are the one responsible for derailing this thread. Don't do that again.