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    News: Moral Hazard (me) just flashed the p170hm bios onto his p150hm, success!

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by moral hazard, Sep 12, 2012.

  1. moral hazard

    moral hazard Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    I will update this thread when all the drivers install.
    What I can tell you right now is I cross flashed and my notebook isn't a brick.

    Now for the testing (hoping XTU works).

    First update:
    XTY 2.1 works, can change the memory multi and timings.
    Can change CPU core current limit, short power max, additional turbo voltage, turbo boost power max and even the max non turbo multiplier.

    But since I only have a 2630QM I can't change the multi to be any higher.
    Also I can't change the Bclk (yet).

    Let me add, this mod is without changing the hardware. All I did was cross flash the bios.

    If anyone wants to know my exact steps I will share them soon.
    Also if you want pics/screenshots let me know what you want and I will get it for you.

    Please don't follow my lead though, I wont help if anyone bricks their own notebook trying this type of thing.

    Update #2: Windows needs to be reactivated.
     

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  2. Mobius 1

    Mobius 1 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Doesn't the 150HM use HM65 chipset compared to a 170HM's HM67?
     
  3. moral hazard

    moral hazard Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Yep, and you can even see that in my screenshot (hwinfo still reports HM65).

    My guess is that there is no real difference between HM65 and HM67. I could be wrong, but I need someone to show me the difference before I will believe there is one ;)

    I performed this flash just because I had that in the back of my mind, I figured intel is just trolling us by having HM67 and HM65 when really they are the same thing.

    Look at my CPUz, it shows P170HMx + HM65:
    CPU-Z Validator 3.1
     
  4. bonnie.clyde

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    Bravo Man! :D
     
  5. troid

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    Awesome job man :D
     
  6. Killerinstinct

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    @bonnie , did u flash the p170hm bios on ur p150hm and then used saltius bios and it all worked?

    Edit: also amazing job
     
  7. moral hazard

    moral hazard Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Thank you all!

    bonnie.clyde, you and tdididit were the inspiration for this flash attempt :D

    And I would like to thank Blacky for keeping the bios collection, that is where I got the latest P170HM bios + EC.

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/556299-clevo-bios-older-models.html

    I used the /X option to make sure the bios would flash (ignore checking).

    I flashed the bios and then the EC without restarting.
    Then when both flashed I shutdown the notebook.

    Now to wait for Prema to release his modded bios:
    STATUS UPDATE 27 MARCH: XTU BIOS, CLEVO P170HM3 & SAGER NP8170 3D (+Aptio Tools)
     
  8. troid

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    afudos P170HM.10 /P /B /N /X %1 %2 %3 %4

    would be the correct command for BIOSFlash then right?
     
  9. moral hazard

    moral hazard Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    That should work.
    I just typed "afudos P170HM.10 /P /B /N /X".

    Then I flashed the EC (ran the batch file).


    The bios I was using before the flash was the one prema modded (sager version, 1600mhz ram, higher limits...).
     
  10. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    I would advise people flash both without restarting until both EC and bios are done.
     
  11. moral hazard

    moral hazard Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Yes that is good advice for anyone who is going to try this, especially if you are going the other way (Clevo bios back to Sager bios).

    I have gotten into the habit of flashing both without a restart no matter what the bios is.
     
  12. troid

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    I can confirm that this is working, just flashed it myself. From stock clevo p150hm bios to stock p170hm bios :)
     
  13. kolias

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    Man this is awesome news.Great job.+rep.
    Maybe i can overclock my i7-2960xm when it comes.....
     
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    sikknazty Notebook Guru

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    so does this give improvements or something? someone update me, im not too pc savy but i've got a sager np9150.
     
  15. troid

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    How is XTU working for you, setting ram to 1600Mhz gives me boot problems
     
  16. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    AWESOME ;)

    But even on "real" P170HMx setting the Power limits only shows in XTU, but in reality they don't change at all, so I am not sure that all changes really take place...
    In other words: CPU core current limit, short power max, turbo boost power max did nothing but fooling us on "real" P170HM. ;)

    Only the XM CPU multi & RAM settings ever worked...yaeh and lowering the Turbo multi :p

    EDIT: You can use Throttlestop to confirm real TDP values.
     
  17. bonnie.clyde

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  18. moral hazard

    moral hazard Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    bonnie.clyde, in your screenshot it looks like you have the turbo boost speed overclocked on your 2920XM, is that correct?
     
  19. jaybee83

    jaybee83 Biotech-Doc

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    wow amazing :) didnt think it would work on the HM series as well. definitely an option to keep in mind, now a XM cpu upgrade would actually make sense! :D

    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
     
  20. bonnie.clyde

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    Yes, I can confirm that after P150HM/HM65 crossflash, XTU operate normally.
    Unfortunately, for the new Nvidia and AMD graphics cards, on this platform, it does not really matter.
    It is, however, a significant difference between the original P170HM and P150HM/CF motherboard. Namely, on the mobo from the P170HM, HD7970M does not work and on P150HM/CF runs, but not without troubles. :)
     
  21. moral hazard

    moral hazard Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Good to see you here Prema, I think you're right about the changes not really taking place. I'll test it soon but so far it seems to be the case for the P150HM/CF.

    BTW any update on your awesome modded 3d bios and whether it could be used on the P150HM, what does 3d actually mean?

    I have the same problem, I think we are not getting enough voltage.
    I am going to make sure all of my ram has the same XMP profile so that I can enable XMP, that way I'll have enough voltage for 1600mhz or maybe if I get lucky I can run it at 1866mhz.

    It would probably be best for those who want to upgrade to an extreme CPU, that way they can overclock.

    What trouble do you have with the 7970M?

    Mine works really well.
     
  22. troid

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    Mine is working just as well as before the flash. Only change I detected was that 3DMark reports my VGA as a 7970M now instead of Generic VGA.
     
  23. bonnie.clyde

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    No signal on the DVI output.

    Just reinstall the AMD drivers.
     
  24. troid

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    I don't use DVI, that's why i haven't noticed yet.
     
  25. kolias

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    Can somebody provide the quide for the steps of flashing the bios please?
    Im going to give some +REP.
    LOL-:laugh:
     
  26. kolias

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    @moral is it safe to flash my bios to the P170HM?
    Im thinking to do this....
    Whats your opinion?
    thanks man
     
  27. Zymphad

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    I wouldn't. The 150HM wasn't designed for the heat produced from high overclocking. There is a reason why there are differences between the two laptops. Also there is a high risk you'll brick it. They have 2 different chipsets.
     
  28. bonnie.clyde

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    Go ahead, you can. Motherboard from the P150HM and P170HM, except for the power socket and chipset, is no different. Be sure to change the power supply to at least 240W.
    Have fun. :)
     
  29. kolias

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    i was thinking to oc to 3.8-3-9 only,and not to 4-4.5,because its to dangerous for heat issues.do i need the extra supply 240w at this speed?
    thanks. :)
     
  30. bonnie.clyde

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    CPU stock + GPU OC/OV = 220W
    CPU OC/OV + GPU OC/OV = 250W
     
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    Is there any way to get some OC settings in the Bios of my P170EM ? There ing no settings in Bios.... and its a gaming notebook! Can anyone help me??? Or give me some Informations?

    Biosv: 1.00.07
    EC Firmware: 1.00.06


    ty pleusch
     
  32. jaybee83

    jaybee83 Biotech-Doc

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    gave u an answer to that in the clevo bios thread :)

    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
     
  33. jigglywigglyx

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    i just tried this, got it working
    p151hm1

    don't forget the /x when flashing


    As I expected, I am using the 2720es, and all the new bios throttle my cpu quite a lot. (Newer bios throttle es cpus)

    My intel burn test gflops went from 57 to 44.
    Yikes

    To anyone else, you must have version 2.1 of xtu, not 3.2

    I have a question to people overclocking. How does this work? Like even if you set it to 4ghz isnt the power limit a problem?
     
  34. jaybee83

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    thats where prema and his modded Bios with higher TDP values come to the rescue :) check the 2960XM OC thread in my sig for further details ;)

    as for wattage, u of course will need a stronger psu at some point, especially in your case if ure still on the stock 120w.