No one talking "Agena Notebook" -- Clevo Quad Notebook & its PSU

Dear experts, What PSU is in Clevo-D900C. the link says official words that QX6800 is not possible cuz of wattage http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=110398&page=9

Clevo offering 4-65W E6xxx variants, and 1-75W X6800. Sager and Prostar being clevo's clones. Now why not Clevo is expressing thoughts about Agena Notebooks. Yes the 130W QX6800 will hard to put in there but why they are no working for Agena (Barcelona's desktop version).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athlon_FX
Model Clock rate Codename TDP
Athlon 64 X4 2100 2.1 Agena 95
Athlon 64 X4 2300 2.3 Agena 120
Athlon 64 X4 2500 2.5 Agena 120
Unknown Athlon 64 FX 2.5 Agena FX 120

This bring into account what PSU are they using in D900C. is it atbatt.com or OPS (powersupply.com). What Wattage has clevo's PSU.

Will be better to avoid D900C and go for 2.1-Agena noteobook which Fudzilla/Inquirer claim to OC-able to 3.2GHz. Maybe that will also have DX10-GPU R630 maybe. cuz right now clevo is "considering" for nvidia-DX10 gpu (and QX6800).

Thank you.

 

I'm not sure how to answer all of your questions, but I believe I read the D900C will be using a 280w PSU.

 

Thank you blueyedsoul

1. can u also make a distribution of these 280W, means 130W for CPU, GPU ?, Drives,Mobo,RAM,LCD? to make ones own estemation of how much wattage-room should still be available, ALso please tell what N0tebook-PSU brands are out there offering more than 280W PSU for notebook. This will help to realise ppl for possibility of building Barcelona (yes Opteron Notebook). since opteron also in same TDP range as Agena !!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_K10
Model Clock rate Codename TDP
Opteron 1266 2.1 Barcelona 95
Opteron 1268SE 2.3 Barcelona 120
Opteron 1270SE 2.5 Barcelona 120

2. Is the CPU super-glued on mobo or i can remove the CPU So How about if i open the notebook and slam 130W QX6800 myself, and throw the installed X6800 in my desktop-pc.

3. Con u or u friend publish the disection pictures of Clevo-D900C. atleast showing the CPU and PSU. GPU is also speculated... some ppl say its MXM, some ppl say its MSI's proprietry.

4. pc-torque has come online again with new fervor, is someone thinking to start hisproject for building AMD-Agena-Notebook!?!

Thank you.

 

just as i posted reply and checked tech news i found these two ...

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Intel pushes Q6600 quad-core CPU into 95 watt systems
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/31822/135/
Santa Clara (CA) – Intel has informed its customers that the Core 2 Quad Q6600 desktop quad-core processor as well as the Xeon X3220 and X3210 server quad-core CPUs have been transitioned to a new stepping

BUT.....
Samples of the processors are expected to be available on May 11. General availability of the units is scheduled for July 16.

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http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/31804/135/
Chicago (IL) – Intel is gearing up for its next-generation micro-processors. And we hear that Intel may be much closer to be releasing its 45 nm processors, code-named "Penrym", to production than we previously thought: Expect reviews and benchmarks of Penryn to surface early in Q3 of this year.

the pre-release appears to be very much in line with the launch date of its Opteron quad-core processor “Barcelona” .
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May be Intel is hell of scared about Barcelona and Agena... but i must say like always the AMD-Hawk (Mobile version of Barcelona) will be a same prev-Turion like failure and AMD should for god sake drop the S1 stunt and promote (if not just, then equally to S1) the AM2 (if Agena is AM2) for notebooks.

 

Keep in mind that the internal voltage regulation system, as well as the capacitor's must be capable of doing what you want.

What you are asking sounds like putting SLI and RAID into an e-Machine.

 

yes, agreed but isnt it small factor, with bios voltage regulaters, though might not in all mobos, these enthusiasts mobos might all have.

Please also guide on point 2, 3, 4. some notebook brands Glue the processor with socket so one couldnt upgrade the processor.

Thanks.

 

about "....but i must say like always the AMD-Hawk (Mobile version of Barcelona) will be a same prev-Turion like failure...."
cuz its not K_10 architecture.

http://dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=6531&commentid=118535&threshhold=1&red=3656
"The spearhead of this new initiative is the Hawk-family of mobile CPUs. The first of these new Turion CPUs, dubbed Tyler, is a 65nm SOI DDR2-800 processor that utilizes Socket S1. Essentially, this processor is Brisbane for the notebook, and does not incorporate any of the new features of the K10/Greyhound architecture."
http://bp2.blogger.com/_Z49NBhppzoY/RZfVvtCvnBI/AAAAAAAAAHk/IGfmKpOuLg0/s400/2007roadmap_mobile.png

 

It's been a few years (think when 1ghz-1.5ghz single core was king in notebooks) since I've seen a brand glue or otherwise permanently attach a CPU. That isn't really a smart business practice and cost's the company way more money when a customer needs a CPU or motherboard replaced.

Anyways, I think you are safe to see this machine's wont be "attached" with anything other then thermal paste

 

The only PC notebooks that have non-upgradeable CPUs are systems with low voltage or ultra low voltage CPUs (ultraportables).

 

Please disect a D900C on this site for DIY ppl. Has someone in ur knowledge started the AMD Agena Notebook!?! Can u and/or ur company persuade Clevo to start this project. I have not explorer Pc-Torque full but i guess their claim etched right on their forehead is still totally hollow... "Our complete line of custom laptops gives you the power to 'virtually' create lightning fast, totally custom laptops wherever you are, day or night, with no obligation to buy -- you can build it exactly as you want it to be so you can get the most out of your investment"

If PC-Torque are that much hard core they should present with how-to articles and even launch say Project-Agena

Again back to AMD-S1-Stunt there other approach is far better to introduce EE (equivalent of ULV term for Intel) series of Agena for notebooks yes they will have slaughter S1-Stunt infavour of AM2+ for notebooks. Also since Agena i.e. AM2+ processors will work in current AM2 boards with a bios update.

AMD EE explained a bit.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-energy-efficient_9.html
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/am2_x2_4200/12.html
but the mystery remains is how AMD-EEs performs ditto same as non-EEs yes EEs overclock pporly but what is the underlying architectural reason!?! to stop my brain pinching exactly why EEs and non-EEs should co exist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPU_power_dissipation#AMD_Athlon_64_X2
Brisbane Athlon 64 X2 5000+, 1 MB, 1.25 - 1.35 V, 65 W
Windsor Athlon 64 X2 5000+ EE, 1 MB, 1.20 - 1.25 V, 65 W
Windsor Athlon 64 X2 5000+, 1 MB, 1.30 - 1.35 V, 89 W
Windsor Athlon 64 X2 5200+ EE, 2 MB, 1.20 - 1.25 V, 65 W
Windsor Athlon 64 X2 5200+, 2 MB, 1.30 - 1.35 V, 89 W

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_AM2+
AMD confirmed that AM2 processors will work in AM2+ motherboards and AM2+ processors will work on AM2 motherboards. However, due to the lack of support of HyperTransport 3.0 and separated power planes in Socket AM2 motherboards, AM2+ chips will be limited to the specifications of Socket AM2 (HyperTransport 2.0 at the speed of 1 GHz, one power plane for both Cores and IMC). AM2 chips will not benefit from faster HyperTransport and separated power planes on AM2+ motherboards as they do not support them, AM2+ motherboard then fall back to compatibility mode using AM2 specifications.

 

PC-Torque just takes machines from places like clevo and compal and re-brands them, tosses a shiny paint job on them and sell's them... They aren't custom building anything magical. That quote you posted is a selling catch-phrase.

Infact, I believe all those system's on their site are sold through powernotebooks.com, as well as Xotic, and milestone.. probably many others.

 

Yes Pc-Torque has always been like this but i tempted when they started crying on major tech sites that "baby i've changed, please comeback" ... So, who is the champion in custom notebooks, only Clevo or someone else is dady of all these. FalconNorthWest? Hypersonic? Cyberpower? can point me to some online complete list of custom/non-custom notebook makers
i once find this while finding fix for my dead notebook...
http://www.screentekinc.com/laptops-lcd-screens.shtml
this also has some http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laptop

Another thing i need to share, we dont have to worry about PSU is in Clevo. and we even dont have to pray for Agena-EE to make it say 75W from Agena's default 95W.. Why .... simple.. Since AMD-Fx-60 notebooks are comon and an FX-60 is 110W CPU http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPU_power_dissipation#AMD_Athlon_64_FX, so woallah no worries, we have to see for curiosity what PSU is FX-60 notebooks WidowPC, Alienware, Sager etc and same PSU goes in for Agena-95W-Notebook.

But real thirst of desires remain un quenched for these 10W "hotter" babes. I guess AMD-FX60-Notebook-PSU could handle this 10W overload.
Athlon 64 X4 2300 2.3 Agena 120
Athlon 64 X4 2500 2.5 Agena 120
Unknown Athlon 64 FX 2.5 Agena FX 120
Opteron 1266 2.1 Barcelona 95
Opteron 1268SE 2.3 Barcelona 120
Opteron 1270SE 2.5 Barcelona 120

 

I'm sure there are stickies here that might have the answer, but this was the first thing I knew..

http://www.powernotebooks.com/articles/index.php?action=fullnews&id=17

 

Man u took the words right out of my mouth, in prev i had Asus in mind but just forgot to mention it. My concept is same that Asus who developed G8800 PCB, Best and intop of food chain of Overclocker motherboards and who broke the charm of sony and all others in DVD readers/writers. But i have one grievance with them on notebook front they are little like worshiping Intel, plateform wise. With Lamborghini they chose Merom only. They should have gone for sub serieses with Lamborghini like Intel-Merom, Intel-Conroe and AMD-AM2-5000+ to 6000+ (cuz max on internet is socket 939 4800+ or FX60 again 939). I have been frantically persuing there website and releases that i someday get lucky of they releasing some AM2 notebooks but no... So that opportunity to request them here that seriously consider AM2+ socket notebooks which will enable people to use 6000+ or Agena (including 120W Agenas).

How about we submiting a patetion to Asus, Clevo, Compal and Quanta. This might bring death to SFF-MobileWorkstations since SFF lack battery, LCD, KeyBoard, TouchPad, webcam and in cases like Apple CD rom cant be ejected unless turning on the CPU, no PS2 and many pahetics.

Regarding ".....(although Sager usually has the more advanced and exotic technology)...." in http://www.powernotebooks.com/articles/index.php?action=fullnews&id=17 does this mean Sager enjoys exceptional blessings from clevo or does this mean Sager itself put "exotic technology" upon Clevo design.

 

Maybe Paladin44 could try and answer that question. I'm not really big into the business side of the world, I'm into the technology behind it.

Reading that part of the article I think he was saying that of all the companies that sell re-branded Clevo notebooks, Sager is usually using newer technology in their custom component selection then those other companies he listed.

 

Well, a bit of both. Most international markets don't go for the exotic high end features you see in the Sager/Clevo 17" models. They want smaller and cheaper, and don't really demand the exotic. However the US market has a high demand for the exotic, so at Sager's request Clevo designs and builds them. In the US, when you see the most exotic components and feature sets, all you have to do is look under the hood to see it is a Clevo barebones...essentially spec'd by Sager.

 

Thanks ... well i guess we are reaching conclusion the goal of this thread. so prev questions remain specifically answered.....

1. "who is the champion in custom notebooks, only Clevo or someone else is dady of all these. FalconNorthWest? Hypersonic? Cyberpower?" adding ASUS to this.... who should we look for Agena-95/120W notebooks? (seeing 110W FX60 notebooks)

2. I can understand that motherboard south/north bridges layout are themself a power issue i.e. S1 mobos Northbridge less power hungry than 939 mobo south/north bridge

I am really despirate for DTR notebook also cuz my desktop mobo crashed few days and i dont want to invest on desktop aswell.

So to conclude .... dear pyro9219 and paladin44 can u make Agena-95/120W notebook make see the light of day in month. i.e. u r senior members of Notebookreview.com, if Notebookreview.com could arange an interview with AMD, ASUS, Clevo to agree to Notebookreview.com's request to launch it. I guess it would also be a near 3000$ notebook seeing clevo for D900C for 2600-2900$. I am really desperate for Agena-120W-CPU-category notebook and might go stray, buying D900C.

 

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39385
Ruiz said that nothing AMD said in December had changed. He said AMD did have a lull of activity because the next generation begins with Barcelona in the second half of this year.

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=39381
AMD K10 gets a name: Phenom
Desktop product family expands with Phenom FX/X4/X2 brands
"Barcelona for Desktop" is the name for Agena FX, the real populator of QuadFX motherboards. This quad-core CPU comes with quite a lot of cache (256KB of L1, 2MB of L2 and 2MB of L3 cache) and sits in either S1207 or S1207+ socket. All products with this core will be named the Phenom FX. Agena without the FX moniker is nothing else but "Barcelona AM2+", or the Barcelona core for the single-socket use and will be branded as Phenom X4. Hardware-wise, specs remain the same, only real difference is the number of HyperTransport 1.0/3.0 links.
Things get interesting in the Phenom X2 arena. Kuma is the name of the dual-core Agena, which sports the same amount of L3 cache, and L1 and L2 are changed accordingly to number of cores (64KB L1 and 512LB L2 cache per core are main similarity between K10 cores).
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P.S:
Computex Taipei trade show Jun 05, 2007 - Jun 09, 2007

 

means sadly that the max capable notebook would be
Athlon 64 X4 2500 2.5 Agena 120

While S1207 or S1207+ socket will be will be
Unknown Athlon 64 FX 2.5 Agena FX 120
Opteron 1266 2.1 Barcelona 95
Opteron 1268SE 2.3 Barcelona 120
Opteron 1270SE 2.5 Barcelona 120

So again one not only have to beg Asus/Clevo for AM2+ Notebooks mobos, one also has to beg them for S1207 or S1207+ socket Notebooks mobos since these two are also 120W-CPU holders.

 

Simply stated...I am sorry but it is not going to happen from Sager/Clevo

 

woof woof........ http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7177

Asus shows off the 15.4" G1S and the 17" G2S
The Asus G2S is the monster of the two weighing in at a lap-crushing 9.7 pounds and measuring 16.2" x 12.4" x 1.8". The major hardware specs for the G2S mirror those of the G1S with two exceptions: the G2S features a 200GB SATA hard drive and a 17" display with a whopping WUXGA (1920x1200) screen resolution. Pricing for the G1S is listed at 1700 EUR ($2,306 USD) while the G2S is listed at 1900 EUR ($2,577 USD)

CAN I PUT INTEL X6800 (Core2Extreme) PROCESSOR IN IT LIKE WITH CLEVO.... IF YES, SHOULD THERE BE ANY BIOS UPDATES OR SETTINGS !?!
CAN I PUT DDR-800 (not 667) IN THERE.

 

Obviously NO, cuz T7500 is PGA socket processor, while X6800 is LGA socket. Acer is also launchin BMW series, see what it brings with it..

 

for all this time i was fooling around D900C .... and didnt see ASUS C90S

D900C lacks specially on these grounds (though Eurocoms D900C variant alows G8800 but why CLevo/Sager/Prostar not mesnsioning)....
2.0 Megapixel camera built-in
E-SATA
Any MXM GPU ... G8800 In
True Extreme level of customisation, perhaps shatering the last frontier for 2007 ... a Q6800 CPU Notebook.

But MXM has uncertain future...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MXM
Uniwill, the supplier of the Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo series of notebooks has been one of the biggest adopters of MXM technology but has reportedly announced not to use MXM technology for their Santa Rosa platforms. MSI has announced a full lineup of DX10 MXM cards for their new Santa Rosa lineup. Asus is continuing to use MXM cards in their new C90 series

and also because of digg.com reason...
http://www.engadget.com/2007/04/05/asus-c90s-whitebook-laptop-upgradeable-everything/ TheGovernator @ Apr 12th 2007 7:05AM
As far as I know, MXM is quite well established in the high-end notebook market. Alienware, Fujitsu Siemens, Gateway and MSI all use MXM-standard cards (though only some models support it, mainly spaceous 17-inchers, with few exceptions), and the list does not stop there. Unfortunately, there aren't many vendors that sell MXM cards. This is due to the OEM market for this kind of hardware. Even if your laptop does have MXM, the fact that one has to void the warranty by opening the pc (if one hasn't already ) and risk damage on hardware while trying to upgrade the video card. There are no manuals or installation instructions, and you aren't even guaranteed that the MXM-card will work with your laptop. I would say that those are reasons enough to keep away from MXM at the moment, unless you are some kind of engineer or have very comprehensive knowledge about how a laptop is constructed.

Plus Mobile R600not certain to adopt MXM, open but mainly nVidia technology. Perhaps AMD/ATI will like to go express crad way. Asustek Unveils External Graphics Card for Notebooks. http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20070111060818.html again using nVidian card

 

http://www.engadget.com/2007/04/05/asus-c90s-whitebook-laptop-upgradeable-everything/

Can i slam Intel Quad-Extreme QX6700/QX6800 130W or Quad-Normal Q6600 105W in it. C90S is capable of X6800 75W. Should Intel's 105W or 135W be impossible for C90S. Can the chanted everthing upgradable can enable us to "upgrade PSU" of Notebook for Q6800.

By the way... 95W-Q6600 is coming
By 11-May (which has passed) ... Intel pushes Q6600 quad-core CPU as well as the Xeon X3220 and X3210 server quad-core CPUs into 95 watt systems ...
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/31822/135/


Being AMD fanatic i am weeping on AMD's fate why it has become Apple-Inc. bein total hand to mouth and loosing bread n butter to Intel, i dont know what is it trying to pretending.

1. Agena is so late when people would be writting articles of Agena-launch-nears but wait a month for Penryn (buyer's guide 2007)

2. Broke ATI-2600XT in thre avriants denying highest variant (kohinoor) of HDMI and those which have HDMI doesnt have VI just VO (VIVO)

3. Never promoted AM2 Notebooks, Praising now obselete/ancient crap notebooks FX60 and 4800-X2 like apple do to its products.

I really laugh when AMD launched a propaganda campaign asking to sign patetion to Intel to face challenge against Xeon. The boxing ring propaganda video.

No one has debated on this side of AMD, now why dont they listen to public public patetions for launching ATI-GPUs in FEB when they claim they had complete linup prpared and just wanted to come DX10 mainstream. Why didnt they listen to public patetions for Quick launch of Agena.

I bet for the rest of life AMD wont again be draging public in patetions like that Boxing-ring video propaganda with AMD comenatators laughing and humiliating Intel.

Now with "AMD Claims Quad-core Desktop CPUs Ready for Christmas" http://dailytech.com/AMD+Claims+Quadcore+Desktop+CPUs+Ready+for+Christmas/article7232.htm ... we should bid this prolonging crap to very good cursed bye and abandon fanfare for econmic logics and above all the damage personal skill. I am software engineer and have hanging on gallow of AMD lies from November-2006 to present for there R600+AgenaNotebook package cuz my next level of development skill horizon require such mobile-hardware, this delay has really costed me a lot interm of personal-professional-advancment but now snapping myself out of this i guess Clevo-D900C variants, ASUS-C90S with 95W-Intel-Q6600, ASUS-G2S or HP Pavilion HDX can fill the R600+AgenaNotebook type gap beautifully.

Muhammad Imran
Islamabad Pakistan

P.S:
My Thread: No one Talking Agena Notebooks
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=120142

 

www.amd.com/duel ..... That AMD's challenge and collecting crowd to sign patetion for Intel showup for the duel...

Where r u AMD now...Why r u not listening to ur favourite "patetion style"... people (and theinquirer.net) have been signing since Nov-2006 for R600 and Agena.

 

Why not someone make a Dell-Cartoon and Youtube-AMD-Megahertzgovinea style video using that same AMD-DUEL video. We AMD fanantics are really done with this hypocracy. With what a confident/shameless style AMD is saying Agena will be availble before XMAS. Why dont they say Agena will be available Before End of Fiscal year 2007 atleast they would be able to release by June-"2008" jugling with word FISCAL.

We will be getting this supposed NOV-2006 Glorious Agena/Phenom 1-year late. I was damn right http://wwww.xbitlabs.com/discussion/3661.html "when AMD will be pulling BPod (Barcelona) from jeans pocket in mid 2007, Intel will be 'generally' selling 45nm penryn." the buyers guide 2007 will be like "Agena/Phenom to release next month but wait 1-month for Penryn"

People are un justly against Apple's bragings, its actuall a syndrome Apple has infected with and second victim of this braging+patetioning syndrom is AMD.