Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070 and 1080 coming to gaming notebooks

Nvidia's Pascal GP104 is coming to notebooks...sooner than you might expect!
Speaking with some of our insider contacts at Computex got us some clues for gaming notebooks. Essentially, if you're in the market for a new gaming notebook, you might want to consider waiting a few months (think August/September). That shouldn't be too much of a surprise if you follow the gaming notebook industry, but there's more.

According to our contacts, Nvidia is readying the release of its new 10-series chips for notebooks. The kick is, they won't be M versions of desktop GPUs. They will be the same chips used on the desktops, just operating at a lower TDP—we're told there will be the same number of shader units, etc.

We're also told that Nvidia will not go back to producing separate M versions of its desktop GPUs, which is good news for those looking for better gaming performance on the road or in a desktop replacement type notebook. Traditionally, GeForce M version GPUs were cut down quite a bit compared to their desktop counterparts (e.g. 970M is 1280 cores @ ~993MHz and 970 is 1664 cores @ ~1178MHz).

Given that both the GTX 1080 and GTX 1070 are now announced, it's safe to assume that the same chips will be available in notebooks around August/September. With the incredible power efficiency of the new 10-series GPUs, it makes sense for Nvidia to drop its M series GPUs entirely. GTX 1080 has an 180W TDP, uses only one 8-pin power connector, and GTX 1070 only has a 150W TDP. This is a huge drop from GTX 980 Ti's 250W TDP, and we've already seen Nvidia stuff a full GTX 980 (GM204) into notebooks.

Core clocks and voltages are obviously going to be tweaked to bring power down, if our sources are correct. Very likely we will see Nvidia do with GPUs what Intel has been doing with CPUs going back to Sandy Bridge (2nd Gen Core). They'll have a much lower base clock, but they'll be able to turbo up to relatively high clocks under the right workloads. We'll see how this all plays out in a few months. There's also the question of whether this will be for all gaming laptops/notebooks, or just for the larger devices (e.g. GTX 980 for notebooks never made it into anything smaller than 17.3 inches).


Source : http://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-and-1080-coming-to-gaming-notebooks/

 

that sounds almost too good to be true... with some cooling tweaks, one would just have to ramp up the clocks and voltages back up again to get a full-blown desktop gpu nice! lets just hope that nvidia doesnt take this as a perfect excuse to be done with the mxm standard and socketed GPUs in general....

 

Any word of MXM vs. BGA form factors for these upcoming GPUs?

 

Been telling people for a few months now, we will have them in September, 3rd week, expect the MXM 200W versions and the MXM 3.0b later on too. But first might be an integration that is soldered on, it's usually that way. But when MXM cards come out it's usually months before your able to buy them easily, and know they will work for sure. (since we're talking mostly after market upgrades and firmware and bios updates, or worse, modded drivers and some headaches.)

 

It makes sense, if Nvidia can just use only one line up of graphics cards and just use desktop cards. Then they wouldn't have to engineer and produce the mobile versions. Since something like a 980m was around the performance of a 970 desktop, then it just makes sense to just create one card (as long as the power consumption and thermals are all in line for a notebook).

 

In the Korean Clevo Forum, there is a rumor that past Clevo laptops, that use MXM 3.0b, can not upgrade their graphics card to new generation pascal gpu because NVIDIA has increased the size of the mobile gpu due to more power. (It is a rumor, so I am not entirely sure.)

 

Wait, you mean there's a new MXM format?

 

Not a new format, they have larger sized GPU's but still MXM 3.0B at 3.0 x16 speeds etc... just uses larger Silicon Wafers and adds an Auxiliary power input which you also connect and is total 200W max. Thus - they can actually make a more powerful card then the 1080 for a laptop. If DELL/Alienware was going to come back into the competition, this is where they would come in, with a desktop CPU and 200W MXM GPU.

Or they will go smaller and thinner.

Either way, Clevo's like Eurocom's X9 have you covered ( NP9870DM-G..etc) which can use single or dual GPU's MXM 3.0b or the 200W variety.

Honestly I'm hoping they stick to the older MXM versions, but it might very well be the 200W that take over,which could really explain the massive push to efficiency they been doing for nearly a decade. Once they hit it, you know it will be a relatively sweetspot for 2-3 years, but then again, cells could use powerful GPU's too....

 

There is also a rumor that Clevo is preparing two versions of 1080. Regular sized 1080, and smaller and less power hungry 1080. We will see how it goes.

 

well as long as at least ONE nextgen gpu significantly faster than the 980M comes in standard 3.0b dimensions and format, im happy cant imagine that all performance tiers come in 980 200W large flavor, that wouldnt make sense...

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You can be sure with any new tech we will be right in the thick of it

 

Will the GP104 die package physically fit in between the standard MXM heatsink mounting holes?

If AMD mobile cards have HBM2, then those die packages definitely will not fit.

 

That is my current concern. As far as rumor goes, Nvidia is planning to change the size of graphics card, which means there is a possibility that it will not physically fit with heatsink.

On the positive note, there is also a rumor that Clevo is preparing for smaller size 1080, so maybe smaller one can fit with current heatsink.

 

The package is not abnormally large, the core size is not that big either.

 

The new gpu on mxm will be available also for 15.6 inch p75xdm -g and 17.3 inch p77xdm -g p870dmx -g

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Eta?

 

This year

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yes! that means prema magic will also make it compatible to the ZM series! yehaw! thx for the info @clevo-extreme

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SM-A models should be able to support the new cards too. Good luck getting your hands on one until next year though, they won't hit the upgrade market very quickly. The ones that do will have the usual price gouging for new tech.

 

The new cards is on the way

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thats fine, its actually unlikely that ill even upgrade from my current 980M. doesnt make sense yet, performance-wise (1080m being max. at 1070 levels) and warranty-wise (almost 3 years left)

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1080 will be at 1080 performance levels in machines that can handle it. Standard MXM cards will obviously be held back.

 

since im bound to standard format mxm modules, im not interested in the performance of non-standard cards

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I am interested in their compatibility... With my NP8170 :X

 

oh boy, thats gonna be tough... @darkarn, especially since up to this point, 680M and 7970M are the most performant gpus compatible with the HM series...

 

Yeah I know, that's one real long shot...

 

althooooough @Prema has leaked a bit of info that hes been working on a way to make 900M series gpus compatible with the HM series. hes never gotten around to finishing this up, since his HM machine is shot to pieces...

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If new 1080m is a mxm-b standart format but 180-200W, is it possible to create a breach power between slave-mxm slot and this little extra connector in the gpu for our clevo p375-377sma?

 

I don't think it will be possible to have 180-200W cards in MXM B format. Higher wattage means more power phases to keep it stable.

 

Yeah, that's a real pity

 

so which one will fit in the p377sm-a? and what is the expected performance gains from 980m? Thanks for clarification

 

Unknown and unknown but perhaps guessable from the desktop card for the approximate increase from core to core.