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    OCZ Vertex 3 SSD and Sager

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by mostwanted115, Apr 11, 2011.

  1. mostwanted115

    mostwanted115 Notebook Consultant

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    Guys why aren't any of the sager online retailers offering the OCZ vertex 3 240GB SSD drive as a customization option?
    All SSD options are either Intel SSD 510 or Intel SSD 320.

    Does the OCZ vertex 3 SSD have any issues with Sager NP8150/70?
     
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    I've discussed this topic with Mythlogic and they'd rather go Intel, Crucial or Corsair for SSD's due to OCZ Vertex 2's not so good track record. If Vertex 3 is out to really clean OCZ's tracks, we'll find out soon...
     
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    I believe one of the resellers said it was because of Intel's reliability. They basically didn't want to sell would be customers drives that had a high probability of failing.
     
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    mostwanted115 Notebook Consultant

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    have to say the OCZ Vertex 3 drives are exceedingly fast, seen it first hand...

    reliable? only time will tell ...
     
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    mostwanted115 Notebook Consultant

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    Still the intel SSDs are way behind, sometimes less than %50 in performance.
    We are gamers here, we need it.

    Where are the other in between brands anyway?
     
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    I am currently using the OCZ SSD. It does not function well on it. The BIOS does not always see it. So hopefully a new BIOS update will fix it or it is not supported. If I had known this I would not brought OCZ or a SAGER. I miss my Asus G73JH
     
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    mostwanted115 Notebook Consultant

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    is it OCZ vertex 3? (240GB, 6Gps)
     
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    Also which sager?

    While the OCZ vertex 3 may be alot faster, the track record of the vertex 2 was pretty poor and none of these reseller's want to risk frequent rma's and lose money. They will go with companies with proven track records of reliability and choose the best perfomance options from there.
     
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  11. mostwanted115

    mostwanted115 Notebook Consultant

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    true. the thing is, OCZ vertex 3 and according to the latest reviews is ranked no 1 in performance and the INTEL SSDs were ranked 6th down to 12th, depending on the specific test. So the question is, why don't the retailers offer those SSDs that come in between like the Crucial RealSSD and Corsair m4 and Corsair Force... these are still way better in performance than the INTEL ones. same argument as OCZ vertex?
     
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  12. JosephThaiNguyen

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    OCZ Agility 2. But from what I heard it is the sandforce controller that is not support in the BIOS for SAGER yet. I know I am currently not the only one facing issues with SSD. I believe there a thread on it.
     
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  13. pay928

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    Your question has been answered multiple times already. They don't want to deal with an unreliable product. Buy it after market and get a machine without a hdd if you want it that badly.
     
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    pukemon are you unplugged?

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    well said. sager knows quality over quantity. quality sells itself and that's why sager is in business without advertising. the owners do all the advertising for them.

    that said, it's amusing comparing benchmarks with ssd's. no doubt they are faster than hdd's. i find it to hard to believe though that the benchmarks translate to real world performance that needs to be seen to believed. they don't help with frames per second. i would think for the price, most people should still be happy with the traditional hdd. i wonder if and when optic storage will become reality. i wonder what will happen to ram/storage mediums when the data transfers are moving theoretically at the speed of light or thereabouts.
     
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    Again, you're completely arguing about performance when the reason is completely independent: reliability
     
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    The problem only relates to Corsair based Sandforce controllers... unfortunately.
     
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    A few more MB/S in performance is just splitting hairs with these top tier drives. The difference will not be noticeable in real world applications. People are far too caught up in these numbers because they lack the knowledge and understanding to look at the big picture.
    Intel and others could easily build a drive just as fast as the Vertex 3, but they know it would come at the expense of reliability. OCZ has demonstrated time after time that they will sacrifice reliability and repeatable performance just so they can have big numbers in a review. They have even shipped ringers to reviewers that were rigged to produce faster numbers and have resorted to bait and switch tactics with their customers.
    Intel drives are on average 4 times more reliable than those from OCZ based on data collected over the years.
    With all of this said, I certainly wouldn't fault any company for not wanting to sell OCZ products over another brand with proven reliability that the OCZ drives do not have. They risk losing both money and customers with something that is potentially problematic.
     
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  18. Red Line

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    well, can someone please explain what exactly do u put under term ''reliability''? doesn't ssd's from one brand brake faster than others or don't have frequent firmware updates or have some performance and support issues?

    i've never owned one but getting tired with hdd's speeds already! want to go with the best, as probably everyone do!
     
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    Intel limit the write speed to 75MB/s
    it's not true that they COULDN'T increase the write speed to 150MB/s
    but the 3years warranty is the reason why Intel must limit the speed

    OCZ offers a great speed in reading and writing spec ( 285/275 )
    but theirr 60G ssd only has a 51G available capacity because they reserve a 9GB space for the ERROR FLASH caused by writing action very frequently and violently

    and OCZ call back all the problem SSD and launch a new 60G-available-space ssd (64G real space)
    this thing confused the customers , especially people who support OCZ for a long time

    customers have to mail the problem-less-space ssd to the official OCZ's address , and then they get a new problem ssd

    in SSD I think Reliability is the first thing to be considered , so I choose a SLC-nand-flash ssd
    I use a 64G read200/write200 slc-ssd and I think my ssd is very fast , window7 login & logout is really fast , though in win7-experience my ssd only 7.4

    In SLC ssd , a 270/270 type is expensive , but in normal use ( not in servers ) 200/200 is enough

    Worldwide users choose non-OCZ ssd preferentially , is NOT unreasonable

    After all a real performance in using is much important than the performance printed in users' manual...
     
    1341, Apr 12, 2011
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