Okay, i have never heard of Sager laptops, but the Dell guys insist i get one....

i looked through their website, which kinda seemed low budget to me, but i have no info on how reliable/ build quality these things are. when did this company start? and what do you guys recommend i get if i was looking on getting the M1530 XPS gaming laptop

 

ohh no they are far from low budget! sagers are absed on barebones by clevo .. they are known to have stellar build quality and even better customer service! look at the m860tu .. i think more than double, no make that triple, the power you can get in a m1530!

 

darn it, their naming system for their line up is confusing. i configured their NP2096, which came out to $1000, which is pretty darn awesome. $400 cheaper than a similar dell for better build quality and a 9600m GT? im sold!

but im guessing they dont offer LED LCD screens yet? hows the quality of their screens right now?

 

ohh sorry, needed to mention that the m860tu is sager's np8660 .. if gaming is the way you want to go this is the notebook! .. nopes no led screens and as for quality .. i havnt really heard any complains about it .. people generally praise it.

heres a review of it : http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=301614

and heres an extract from it : "I got the WSXGA+ (1680x1050) screen option with this notebook. The screen is BEAUTIFUL. Very sharp and crisp. I don't really know how else to describe it, it's miles ahead of my old Dell screen so it's not even a comparison. I'm currently running 177.98 drivers but I think I'll revert back to 177.92 since they seemed less glitchy"

hope that helps!

 

Really can't comment on reliability and build quality of my Sager model because I havn't had it long enough, and I have no idea when the company started (google it), but I do know that the 8600M GT in the dell is much less powerful than the 9800M GTS in the NP8660. Another option is the G50Vt-X1 from ASUS, it has a 9800M GS, and is also cheaper and way more powerful than the Dell you mentioned. Fill out a FAQ and post it in the "What Notebook Should I Buy?" section to get more recommendations on what notebook is right for you.

The 8660 glossy screen is great, but only in indirect light. The glare it gives off makes the screen unreadable in the sun. If you have the option go configure with a matte screen, at least that's what I'd do.

 

where do they get their parts from? who provides their screen? samsung, LG? and im honestly surprised how cheap these Laptops are, and how they profit from it... makes me regret getting my Lenovo T61

 

the sager is literally $400 cheaper AFTER Dells $450 off "special" right now.... with a tons better specs

 

I'm pretty sure I'm looking at a Samsung right now, I don't know how to make sure though.

Sager is also having it's own special, it's about $350(?) off the NP8660 until sometime January. The real notebook that you should compare the 8660 with is the Alienware m15x, these two battle it out for the title of "best 15in gaming notebook".

 

I was in the same place you were a few weeks ago, came really close to buying an hp then stumbled across the sager website. I just ordered an NP8660 a few days ago and it'll be here tomorrow, can't wait!

 

noooooo! dude, i just found the biggest bang for the buck on their website.... check this out

the 15" sager 8660 is $1500 right?

the 17" np5793 also has the 9800m GTS video card AND a blu ray dvd player for $1500, also the 1900x1200 resolution screen, and 4 gigs of ram, ALL THIS FOR THE SAME PRICE AS A LESS PERFORMING 15" 8660 WITHOUT A BLU RAY DUDE!!!! REFUND!!!

 

okay, i spec'd out the np8660 with a blu ray player AND the 1900x1200 screen, it comes out to $1800. this is also with 2 gb of DDR3 ram, although the np5793 comes with 4 gb of DDR2 ram, so i guess the rams not a fair comparison

 

Some people like portability > power, others like power > portability, I like power and portability thats why I choose the NP8660. If size isn't a factor in your notebook choosing, go for the NP5793, it is a splendid piece.

 

god i regret my lenovo so bad man, rofl....

 

another question, do sager Hard drives have the fall sensor where it pauses the HD when theres movement as to not break the HD in case of a fall?

 

Haha, I guess you're a power over portability person then .

Not sure about the HDD thing, but I don't plan on ever loosening my grip on my notebook. I don't see anything about it on their website either; call them and ask.

 

Blue Diamond,

please read the Clevo Guide if you haven't yet... it will show that Clevo has been around longer than even Dell.

Clevo knows their stuff and now has vendors worldwide.

As for the pricing of the high-end notebooks....

here are my current "bang for the buck" high-end gaming notebook picks....
(with 256-bit memory interface videocards)

For 17"
*($1500 budget and below)*
- Sager NP5793 (Clevo M570RU) .... its hot right now since Sager is making it fully loaded with 9800M GTS and even Blu-Ray drive to liquidate its stock so that they can focus on the new (but slightly more expensive) NP5797.
- Gateway P FX with 9800M GTS is another good choice but does not have better build quality and cooling than the Clevo M570RU.
*($1600 to $2000)*
- Clevo M570ETU (aka. Sager NP5797) .... new model with Montevina, quad-core and choice of 9800M GTS/GT/GTX
- Arima W840 DI (aka. OCZ Whitebook, Alîenware m17, etc...) .... new 17" dual ATI 3870, quad-core and dual HDD
*($2000+ budget)*
- Toshîba X305 .... 17" with SLI 9800M GTS .... processor could be better
- Clevo D901C (aka. Sager NP9262) .... remains to be king of notebooks... 17" with single/dual 9800M GTS/GT/GTX, uses desktop quad-core CPUs, three internal HDD, and the best notebook cooling design to date.


For 15"
*(sub-$1400 budget)*
- ASUS G50VT .... 15.6" with 9800M GS (budget high-end card)
- Toshîba F55 .... 15.4" with 9700M GTS (still considered high end on the bottom rung of the ladder of high-end cards)
..... and the rest of the mid-range notebooks with Nvidia 9600M/9650M, ATI 3600/3650, etc..
*($1400+ budget)*
- Clevo M860TU (aka. Sager NP8660) .... new 15.4" with Montevina platform and 9800M GTS/GT

Alîenware (except for M17 which is re-branded Arima) and .Dell does not make the list (mainly for the high-end systems), they are quite outdated and configurations are usually overpriced.

This is a bang for the buck list... if you want to pay for aesthetics and lights, then look elsewhere.

UPDATE: the ASUS G50VT is selling for $999 at Best Buy.... which makes it the best deal for a 15.4" gaming notebook at the moment.

 

^^^
whats gonna be new on the 5796?

 

^^ sorry, it should be 5797... need to update that post.

Its already available... and the details are on the list as well.... Clevo M570ETU.

 

what is all this talk about the Sagers being available by other stores as well?

 

Had a couple of dell gaming laptops over the years and managed to upgrade to another card on both. However on the 2nd laptop had a couple of cards stop working. Also I was on another Dell forum I would see people with broken cards pop up all the time. Yeah I'm sure some would overclock, and I did also but not by drastic attempts to get the best score. Anyways I got put off by that cause it ain't cheap to replace the GPU.

Thats why I decided to go with a Clevo this time around to try something new and I have to say that even though I have only had this new m570tu a short while, it runs great and I am glad I tried someone other than Dell. Also the temps are super low compared to previous dell laptops I have owned. Now of course tech has changed in the last couple of years so dells could be a lot cooler now also.

 

it is available at other vendors all over the world.... all in the Clevo Guide.

 

having any issues, or subpar build quality you're not happy about

 

you can add another 2GB yourself to the 8660 for $50 after you get it.

 

Yeah, i choose smaller screen and a better graphics card (the 5793 didn't have a GT available) and sacrificed about $150.00. Well worth it in my opinion, although I was pretty split between both the NP8660 and 5793.

my specs below cost me about ~1600 and some change after shipping.

 

Blue Diamond, if you want a 17in notebook, the NP5793 or the 5796 is the best choice. If you want a 15in notebook, the NP8660 is your best choice.

Here is a simple lineup, in terms of power: NP2096, NP8660, NP5793,5796,5797, NP9262.

I've been through Dell, Alienware, Acer, Toshiba, and HP, but none are as high quality build as Sager systems. They use the very best of components possible, have fast, stellar support (Especially XoticPC) good warranties, and are loved with a passion by ever person I've ever known to own one. Sager will beat out dell and alienware any day.

If you want a quality LED screen, you can install one yourself after purchase, or wait for the new lineup to be introduced in March. The 1680x1050 screen I'm using is beautifully crisp and clear, vibrant, and very fast.

Put your money in Sager, you'll never regret it.

 

I've wondered. How does the Clevo build compare to the Macbooks?

Can anyone give a fair comparison?

 

Well if your speaking macbook, and not macbook pro, I'd have to say they have the same quality standard as a macbook. Macbook pros, being metal cased and not plastic, are going to be of a higher quality in terms of build. But if you get a macbook, you might as well say goodbye to playing anything but older games.

 

Blue... Compared to Sager, Dell's are sub-par. I know, I owned an ixps. Sub-par AND over-priced. But, thats only my opinion. Clevo(A Japan-based company) builds bare-bones machines and "re-sells" them to many companies around the world(resellers). These resellers build their machines according to their customers specifications(you and me), offering hardware and warranty upgrades through their respective companies(warranties are supported through the resellers who built your machine, not Clevo). I think one of the most appropriate questions to ask are which reseller offers the best customer service and the best warranties. Sager is only one of these resellers. The Clevo guide will have all the info you could ever desire about these "Top-Notch" laptops. Depending on when you plan to purchase the best laptop you'll ever own will determine who is offering your config at the best price. At the time of my purchase, Sager was offering the most bang for my buck. Plus, they are located not far from me, saving me shipping charges. Hands down, Clevo's are the fastest machines on the market today. And as far as build quality is concerned, well, just keep reading. Good Luck and happy investigating.

 

Lol. I won't be going Mac. And definitely not just ordinary macbook. But I was asking build quality in general. So the Macbook Pros are of a higher quality, basically what I was wondering.

Another question, are Macbook Pros vulnerable to the oil stains that can be left back by having your wrists on the palm rests the entire time (especially when typing)? A friend of mine swears that they shouldn't be and that alone is the testament to why Macs are great.

 

My dads original macbook pro has those 'oil stains' too. While the macbook pro is aluminum, it still has a coating on it, which has worn off.

I've had my system for 6 months now, not a single 'stain' to be seen.

 

Your system being a Macbook Pro or the 5796? Also, do you type 'properly' and thus play games 'properly' (not letting your wrist sweat and stain the palm rest)?

 

Is there any way to remove the sweat marking on the palm rest? I have a little bit on the left side.

 

if you type correctly (ergonomically), you should not have that palm stain.

I have had my gaming notebook for near 3 years, no palm stains at all.

A few people have tried to remove the stain, but its usually permanent. You can clean it up a bit using orange/citric cleaners... but it wont fix the stain... just clean up any dirt/oil/grime in the area.

 

Do you guys know if there are coupons available for Sager laptops? If so, where can I find them. Thanks

 

The prices for Sagers are at their lowest now, and you still want coupons?

Looking to buy one for $500 or something?

 

Well I just asked a question. Since I am not familiar with Sager I was wondering.

 

I have the m570tu btw. My only issue with the system is that the speakers could be better. Its not a big deal cause I have some great external speakers which I use and they are super portable.

Searched everywhere and these (MP300 Plus edifier-international.com) were the only speakers I could find with a small sub and they also have a great sound. I had their old silver ones but to be honest I should have used their case and traveled with them better cause over time the wire ended up breaking. Anyways the Black ones look and sound great with the m570tu.

 

yeah, its quickly becoming transparent on how subpar the dell quality is. LOTS of people on the dell subforum are complaining about the most basic of requirements that a company should find in Quality control....i mean seriously, a mismatched bezel that sticks out like its broken, BRAND NEW on the bottom of the freakin laptop which makes it wobble. thats ludicrous.

and the np5793 that i posted earlier is the deal of decade, i seriously can't believe a laptop with those specs and blu ray player is $1500. and if the build quality and customer service is as good as you guys say, i look no further.

one question, is Sager the best redistributor of Clevo's? or are there other places that you'd recommend?

 

which redistributor makes the m570tu? is at as good a laptop as the sager makes?

 

I don't know if I type properly. I just type. My palms are on the system now. And my system is the M570TU, none of that apple crap.

 

Clevo makes the M570TU. Sager rebrands it as the NP5796/7.

 

to make the sound better on the on-board soundcard:
- go into "RealTek Sound/Effect Manager"
- set Environment to "Carpeted Hallway"
- enable Equalizer
- set Equalizer to Soft (as in Soft Rock) or Powerful (if you want it louder)

 

Yeah I saw a post about that before..probably by you. Thx anyways though. It is cool to just have this one system equalizer running instead of changing equalizer settings for Itunes, Winamp, VLC etc.

 

Blue... I am very satisfied with my Sager purchase. I would recommend them to anyone. I have also heard lots of good things about XoticPC as well. They seem to offer good customer support. Give 'em a look before you decide. You have lots of choices. Whoever you choose to purchase from, you can't go wrong with a Clevo.

 

i bought a sager 8870 (i think) a long time ago, great laptop, picked it up at sager's hQ, they even did a case swap to the colourware one, they were showing me their assembly line area and i saw a dual colour case, apparently the first one they got, so i asked to buy it and they installed it while i waited, the machine is still going strong since i bought it way back then.

p4 ht, with two drivers, 1900x1600 screen, tv tuner, removeable mp3 player and a whole bunch of other stuff, the only thing i ever did to it was change the internal wireless card to an intel one to get WPA support. it was an 8780 or 8870/90 i can never remember the model.

 

I don't own a Macbook Pro and never have, but I can tell you that I looked at them closely before making a decision. They are lighter and have more battery life, but they have less power for more the money than my 5797. As far as I can tell the quality is about the same. I even did a search to find out what screen my Sager came with, and it appears that it is the same LG display used on the Macbook Pro. I could be wrong on that one but that is what the research I did shows.

Price per performance I believe the Sager wins hands down. That aluminum case looks good on the Macbook but my Sager came with an aluminum cover on the screen anyway since I ordered it in the silver trim, even though it's not totally enclosed in aluminum.

Besides all that, I would have been limited to what actually runs on the Macbook. I bought my laptop primarily to do photo editing which would have been great on the Macbook, but I also wanted to be able to run my other applications and throw down on a game when I have time.

Just my 2 cents!

 

Thanks for your input and don't feel bad about doing any editing on a PC. Most of my friends who slander me for doing creative work on a PC than a Mac are the ones that come to me for editing assistance.

 

i have an old inspiron dell and now am on a sager and can safely say the sager is the best laptop i have used. i dont think i will be going back to a Dell laptop again.

 

quick question, why does xoticpc resell Sager laptops which are resellers themselves? that means they're resellers of a reseller? lol

 

actually no.

Sager is an official Clevo importer OEM.... one of three in North America. I thought I explained it in the Clevo Guide section.

Not just any company can get their systems directly from Clevo, so they have to get it through a Clevo importer like Sager, Pro-Star, Eurocom... whom are also OEMs themselves... but continue to sell the barebones to resellers (which are usually small companies).