Overclocking Extreme processor..

I'm going to buy a new sager laptop soon and was wondering if overclocking the extreme processor will void the warranty from resellers of sager laptops (xoticpc and so forth)?

What about overclocking a nonextreme processor?

thanks <3

 

why do you need to overclock already mighty proc?????

 

Extreme processors - it shouldn't, provided you stay within published limits and follow published guidelines.

Non-extreme processors - that depends, but it's more likely than not that it will; read your warranty carefully! (which is good advice in any case ).

With respect to a non-extreme processor, whether or not overclocking will void your warranty will depend on a number of different factors, including the degree to which the processor is known to have been designed to tolerate such use, the degree to which the manufacturer has released information facilitating such use and/or limiting such use, the degree to which a hypothetical reasonable warrantor could reasonably be expected to anticipate such use in the ordinary course, and, lastly but most importantly, the terms of the warranty itself - if the warranty expressly states that it does not cover damages ocurring due to overclocking, then, provided that the warrantor has met the requirements for issuing a valid limited warranty, the exclusion will be valid and overclocking will void such a warranty.

Overclocking an extreme processor within the advertised limits and in accordance with any other guidance furnished by the manufacturer should not ipso facto void your warranty, although you need to be careful about reading the fine print in any warranty titled "Limited Warranty" because there might be an express limitation excluding coverage for damages due to overclocking.

As a general matter, a warranty covers damages that occur in the course of normal use - i.e., the sort of use for which the device is intended/designed, and which can be reasonably anticipated by the warrantor. Since one of the primary sellling points of the extreme processor class is the ability to overclock them to some degree, they are clearly intended/designed for such use, and given the publicity over that feature, any reasonable seller should anticipate that a purchaser will overclock within the published limits and in accordance with published guidelines.

 

Well, I was just reading http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/02/12/extreme_overclocking/page2.html

and it's in direct contradiction to what you just said :\

waaaah :'((, does anyone have a concrete yes / no answer?

 

i always thought any overcloking voids the warranty, even if its the extreame edition cpu

 

IT WILL NOT VOID IT.
However, if components burn out due to the OCing, the warranty is voided.So it`s a risky job.

 

eleron u can get ur 7950@ 777 Ram?

 

No, it doesn't really contradict what I said. It actually provides an interesting example of the caveats I gave in my initial post (mainly - check the terms of your warranty, first and foremost). So long as the relevant rules are satisfied, a warranty can be limited as the warrantor pleases within the limits of those rules.

Additionally, the link you gave only focuses on what Intel has to say about the matter (more on that below); however, that's not the end end of the story, and at any rate, would be largely irrelevant to an end-user who didn't buy from Intel and who may not have standing to sue on whatever warranty Intel might give.

First and foremost, the warranty you're going to be looking to is the warranty given by your reseller. Next in line is the warranty given by Sager, to the extent that you get the benefit of that warranty. And that's about it. Since both a reseller and Sager sell consumer goods for retail sale to consumers in the ordinary course of their business, they're subject to the rules on consumer warranties. Those rules do not apply to Clevo or Intel in the context of a Sager system you buy from a reseller, e.g., xoticpc.

Instead, a company like Intel or Clevo will typically give some sort of a commercial warranty (to the extent they have to under the terms of the business deal they cut with the person buying from them), but that warranty will have different terms and conditions than the "warranties" we're all used to seeing, which are just consumer warranties. In particular, the commercial warranties given by Clevo and Intel will generally exclude any third-party beneficiaries, such as the ultimate consumer who buys the system at retail.

The bottom line is, Intel's warranty is more or less irrelevant to an overclocker who buys a Clevo system from a reseller such as xotic or powernotebooks. At most, that warranty might be introduced as evidence of what the industry norms and expectations were, and what sorts of limitations a hypothetical reasonable consumer might be expected to know (i.e., the test would be, knew, or should have known ).

The Intel warranty terms also provide an interesting exercise in parsing legalese. Just so we all know what we're talking about, the words of Intel's footnote disclaimer are quoted below:

For our purposes, the relevant phrase is "does not warranty the operation of the processor beyond its specifications." In particular, the hole that you can drive a tractor-trailer through, as far as I read it, is the word "specifications." That term is not defined in the excerpts from Intel's website that Darren Polkowski gives us (and I'm not going to go fishing for them now), so, to use this as a perfect example of an undefined term that appears to the lay-person to have a much narrower meaning than it may actually have.

In the absence of a restrictive definition within Intel's own warranty (I would imagine that their full document does contain a comprehensive definition of the term, but even that may be wider than it appears at first glance), the legal effect of a word is often based on its dictionary definition. The Princeton Wordnet provides us with these relevant basic definitions:

Now, given the nature of designing and manufacturing CPUs, is there anyone who imagines that Intel just sort of woke up one day and discovered that some of the CPUs it was churning out could be magically, mysteriously, overclocked? No, I didn't think so (I just love leading rhetorical questions ). In fact, let's look at the other statement from Intel that was provided on the webpage you linked to:

The gist of that statement is that Intel intentionally modified the basic design of its processor to remove the overspeed protection locks for the intended purpose of permitting users thereof to "mod and overclock" their systems "beyond the extreme."

The only logical inference that can be drawn from that statement and my recharacterization of it is that Intel intentionally incorporated the ability to overclock into the design of the extreme processor, and that therefore the ability to overclock was part and parcel of the design specifications for the extreme processor.

Therefore, if we put that inference back into the warranty disclaimer from Intel, we get a statement that necessarily implies that overclocking will not per se exceed the limits of Intel's warranty.

I believe that if you go through Intel's website and comb through the documents pertaining to any particular extreme processor, you will find a mountain of freely available technical documentation that will spell out in great detail just how far that particular processor was intended and designed to be overclocked, and the limits beyond which it was neither intended nor designed to be overclocked.

It is those specifications - the detailed description of the processor's capabilities and the limits beyond which it was not designed to go, that would almost certainly be used to put content into the word "specifications" as used in Intel's warranty disclaimer.

In other words, you can overclock an extreme processor without voiding Intel's warranty (assuming you have any rights under it, see above), so long as you don't overclock it beyond the maximum operating frequencies described in Intel's detailed technical documentation.

Thus, hopefully, anyone who's stayed this far with me (Lordy but you must lead a boring life ) can now appreciate that the word "specifications" doesn't really mean what it seems to mean on first reading, and that the warranty disclaimer does not mean that any amount of overclocking will, ipso facto, void your warranty (or, at least, Intel's warranty and any warranty with similar terms and limitations).

This is basically just a more expanded version of the general rule that I put forth regarding non-extreme processors; you're fine so long as you stay within the manufacturer's published design envelope - once you stray outside that envelope, though, you will almost certainly void your warranty (proving that you did may be another matter entirely ).

Now, in terms of the warranty that you would actually have to rely on if your extreme processor immolated itself, a reseller selling an extreme processor, unless s/he has successfully excluded any overclocking from her/his own warranty, will be bound to anticipate that a buyer would overclock an extreme processor, but only within the published limits given by Intel. In addition, if a reseller states that the processor can be overclocked, then that reseller is necessarily warranting that the processor will function as designed if it's overclocked within Intel's design parameters, something that is called a warranty of fitness for a particular purpose.

Now, I'm beginning to feel a little embarrassed about picking on xoticpc all the time, but I do know their website reasonably well, and it provides us with a good example of a statement that would support a claim that xoticpc as impliedly warranted that the extreme processor in the 5793 is fit for the purpose of overclocking; specifically, on the xoticpc 5793 configuration webpage, you'll find the following statement in regard to the Intel® X9000 45nm "Penryn" Core™2 Duo Extreme 2.8GHz: "(Overclockable up to 3.2GHz!)"

What that means is that, if you buy a 5793 from xoticpc with that Intel extreme processor in it, xoticpc has warranted to you that that processor is fit to be overclocked to 3.2GHz (and subject to any other limits contained in the Intel technical literature). Now, the folks at xoticpc aren't fools, and I do not seriously think for a moment that justin@xoticpc would permit such a statement to be made on the website unless the agreement between Sager and xoticpc provided xoticpc with some CYA in case someone overclocks one of those processors to only 3.1GHz and it fails due to a design or manufacturing defect. XoticPC is not going to just eat the "fruits" of the overclocking craze that's been intentionally fostered by Intel.

So, to get to the nearest thing you're ever going to get for a simple answer to the question:

You can overclock an Intel® X9000 45nm "Penryn" Core™2 Duo Extreme 2.8GHz processor up to, but not in excess of, 3.2GHz without voiding your warranty from XoticPC solely on account of that overclocking.

 

@Shyster1, damn you man, I had to scroll 5 minutes to get to the reply box

@kaltmond : The biggest I found so far was 620/810 and got me over 6k in 3dmark. Although I don`t see the point in OCing,(maybe just me) since I`ve devised the WUXGA/2 resolution ,which is more than ok with 2x or 4xAA , and games like UT3 run SUPER SMOOTH 5/5 details, 50+ fps.
Crysis averages 25 fps, all high, except objects on medium, the same WUXGA/2.

I figured since it`s the best multiplier ratio, the image reduced to a 4th of its size should keep the corners and such the same way. And IT DOES

 

@eleron911

Sorry 'bout that; I forgot to put the danger cones out.

 

how long did it take for you to type that?

Naticus, how did u overclock ur proc (T7250) with out the Back mod?

 

What is the back mod? He probably used setfsb....

Also, why would you pay for the extreme processors if you can't overclock them? I believe you can set the multiplier in the bios to x15 from stock x13 with the extreme processors, bringing effective clockspeed up to 3.2 ghz

 

@bhattsan:

That's exactly why Sager didn't offer the Xtreme processors for so long. They refused to offer something so expensive if there was no way to reap the benefits (overclock).

As Shyster has already said, as long as you don't clock past 3.2 GHz, you are operating within the "specified parameters." Anywhere past that, and it's on your own head if something happens.

 

Not that long, actually; I've expatiated at length (some would say too much length ) on warranty issues here before, so it was mostly mental regurgitation.

 

Too bad it's a moot point. No overclocking any extreme processor. Unless Clevo has changed the BIOS to allow it. I have one and have tried for 8 months to OC it to no avail, using RMCLOCK, CLOCKGEN and several other programs. It is hardcore locked in the PHOENIX BIOS.

 

Just another reason for us to start visiting some of the hardcore sites where the real BIOS modders live so that we can (ultimately) bring the BIOS back under our control.

Being a basically lazy person, I've not put a lot of effort into learning how to disassemble and mod the Phoenix BIOS, but I've been trying to learn a thing or two 'cause I can't stand the limits _Sony put onto this vaio and would love to cut them out. MS gets most of the flak for turning users' systems against them, but I have to say that Phoenix is as bad, if not more so, at that game than is MS - and Phoenix has almost no competition to boot.

 

a shame that nobody took over from Miros to keep TweakBios up-to-date ...

 

Is there any way to change the FSB of the Clevo D901C? BIOS or windows programs?

 

If I recall correctly, the PLL has been identified and CPUFSB been used to change the FSB, but the LCD goes black - the belief is that the frequency driving the LCD gets changed as well on the D901C if you change the FSB.

Hope to buy one next month and start experimenting with it myself