The Notebook Review forums were hosted by TechTarget, who shut down them down on January 31, 2022. This static read-only archive was pulled by NBR forum users between January 20 and January 31, 2022, in an effort to make sure that the valuable technical information that had been posted on the forums is preserved. For current discussions, many NBR forum users moved over to NotebookTalk.net after the shutdown.
Problems? See this thread at archive.org.

    P150EM swapping FN key with Windows Key

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by wingman4ever, May 25, 2013.

  1. wingman4ever

    wingman4ever Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    2
    Messages:
    172
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    31
    Hi,

    I read somewhere that it's possible to swap the FN key with the windows key.

    Do I just need to update to a newer bios or something else? And what's the safest way to pry out the keys?

    Thanks in advance
     
    wingman4ever, May 25, 2013
    #1
  2. RogerCD

    RogerCD Notebook Guru

    Reputations:
    22
    Messages:
    59
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Updating to the latest EC & BIOS will get your keys swapped. EC Version: 1.02.11 does the job.

    The safest way to pry out the keys is to pull from any of the top corners.

    Here is a pic of the keys mechanism:
    WP_20130525_042.jpg
     
    RogerCD, May 25, 2013
    #2
  3. wingman4ever

    wingman4ever Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    2
    Messages:
    172
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    31
    Thanks for the reply.

    But it's not working I updated the bios and ec. But the windows key is still on the right side.

    I did hower succesfully pryed out the keys.
     
    wingman4ever, May 26, 2013
    #3
  4. wingman4ever

    wingman4ever Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    2
    Messages:
    172
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    31
    Can anyone confirm if I installed the right bios an ec in order to swap the fn en windows keys?

    ImageUploadedByTapatalk1369746274.637847.jpg
     
    wingman4ever, May 28, 2013
    #4
  5. RogerCD

    RogerCD Notebook Guru

    Reputations:
    22
    Messages:
    59
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    16
    looks like it is correct, but I don't know with certainty if the key swap is builder specific. The Sager BIOS does the change, I don't know about others.
     
    RogerCD, May 28, 2013
    #5
  6. Prostar Computer

    Prostar Computer Company Representative

    Reputations:
    1,257
    Messages:
    7,426
    Likes Received:
    1,016
    Trophy Points:
    331
    Prying and swapping the keys does not swap the functionality that corresponds to them. You can find free remapping utilities that might work for you, but I haven't tried it on any Clevo/Sager systems personally.

    The Best Key Remapper for Windows
     
    Prostar Computer, May 29, 2013
    #6
  7. wingman4ever

    wingman4ever Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    2
    Messages:
    172
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    31
    Thanks for the replies.

    I don't think the FN key is remap-able. But I just installed the latest PREMA bios and it stated that it can detect whether you have a win 7(old) or win 8(new) keyboard. And the FN and Win key will be switched according to which keyboard you have.
    Too bad I have the old Win 7 keyboard. I asked on the their forums if it is possible to manually switch the keys. Hopefully they have an answer.
     
    wingman4ever, May 29, 2013
    #7
  8. littlecx

    littlecx Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    24
    Messages:
    783
    Likes Received:
    20
    Trophy Points:
    31
    i think the key will swtich if you flash sager bios
     
    littlecx, May 30, 2013
    #8
  9. Prostar Computer

    Prostar Computer Company Representative

    Reputations:
    1,257
    Messages:
    7,426
    Likes Received:
    1,016
    Trophy Points:
    331
    I think the mapping is hard coded into the keyboard firmware, so I kind of doubted there were any utilities that would work (like I said, though: I have not tested them).

    Good luck!
     
    Prostar Computer, May 30, 2013
    #9
  10. wingman4ever

    wingman4ever Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    2
    Messages:
    172
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    31
    So I just got a reply back from Prema. And he was kind enough to post a special key swap version.
    I can't download it yet. I don't have the privilege yet because I need to make 5 post first before I can download attachments. If someone can download it an post it here that would be great.

    Prema's Bios Mods - Page 32

    My 5 posts are pending now it has to be confirmed by the moderators first..
     
    wingman4ever, May 30, 2013
    #10
  11. Prostar Computer

    Prostar Computer Company Representative

    Reputations:
    1,257
    Messages:
    7,426
    Likes Received:
    1,016
    Trophy Points:
    331
    Doesn't take long for verification, so if someone doesn't get to uploading it for you, you shouldn't have much downtime before you're able to download it. :)
     
    Prostar Computer, May 30, 2013
    #11
  12. wingman4ever

    wingman4ever Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    2
    Messages:
    172
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    31
    So I just tested the bios FN swap version that Prema have made. And it works great now :)
     
    wingman4ever, Jun 2, 2013
    #12
  13. amirfoox

    amirfoox Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    260
    Messages:
    626
    Likes Received:
    13
    Trophy Points:
    31
    Prema, will it also work on a P170EM?

    Thanks! :)
     
    amirfoox, Jun 3, 2013
    #13
  14. NoteGeek

    NoteGeek Newbie

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    1
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
    NoteGeek, Jun 4, 2013
    #14
  15. Prostar Computer

    Prostar Computer Company Representative

    Reputations:
    1,257
    Messages:
    7,426
    Likes Received:
    1,016
    Trophy Points:
    331
    I would like to see one of these applications work. For said reasons, it may not, but it would be a great, simple workaround if it did.
     
    Prostar Computer, Jun 4, 2013
    #15
  16. amirfoox

    amirfoox Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    260
    Messages:
    626
    Likes Received:
    13
    Trophy Points:
    31
    This has the same issue all key remappers seem to have - it cannot detect the Fn key and doesn't seem to allow selecting it as an option.

    Thanks, though :)
     
    amirfoox, Jun 4, 2013
    #16
  17. ManilaByNight

    ManilaByNight Notebook Enthusiast

    Reputations:
    1
    Messages:
    36
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    16

    Hey wingman can you kindly post the P150em mod here since I to am unable to download it.

    Thanks.
     
    ManilaByNight, Jun 12, 2013
    #17
  18. Avid Gamer

    Avid Gamer Notebook Evangelist

    Reputations:
    253
    Messages:
    530
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    30
    I have BIOS version 1.02.17LS1 and KBC/EC revision 1.02.10 on my NP9150. When I updated to them it remapped my Windows key (left of the space bar) to the FN key, and FN key (right of the space bar) to the Windows key. (For me this was the opposite of what I want the mapping to be - it was right before the flash. I want to keep the Windows key (with the Windows 8 symbol mapped to the left of the space bar) If this is what you want it to do (remap the Windows key to the right side of your keyboard) send me a PM with your email address, and then I can upload it to https://www.wetransfer.com/# for you. I should have a file shortly that will re-map mine back to the left side again, so if you want that instead I should be able to provide that file at a later date.
     
    Avid Gamer, Jun 21, 2013
    #18
  19. wingman4ever

    wingman4ever Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    2
    Messages:
    172
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    31
    wingman4ever, Jun 22, 2013
    #19
  20. TrantaLocked

    TrantaLocked Notebook Deity

    Reputations:
    216
    Messages:
    865
    Likes Received:
    20
    Trophy Points:
    31
    Hey guys so I am looking into this and have a couple questions.

    I am still on the original BIOS and have not done anything with it since I got my laptop. I've done a BIOS upgrade before but that was with an HP desktop. First, what is the newest BIOS for the Sager NP9150 and what are the things that need to be updated besides the BIOS? I don't know what the EC is and didn't know that is upgraded separately. Also, is Prema's mod file all I need or do I need to contact Sager for newer files to use with it?
     
    TrantaLocked, Oct 15, 2013
    #20