P170EM Temps

I've looked around but I can't find any straight answers on what temps people get on their CPUs/GPUs using one reasonable testing method. I recently repasted(ICD7) and I'm wondering if I'm getting around what I should be getting.

CPU: [email protected](no throttling)
Using the XTU CPU stress test the hottest cores hit about 70/71C with max fans on(Core 1 hits 65 for some reason, probably better contact with the CPU die, etc).

GPU:680m
Games utilizing 100%/99% GPU(not the most accurate I know but it's fairly standard across various games) 66C without tape mod 64C with(max fans once again, fans spooling up and such leads to irregularities in test results so it's best to keep it on max to get a standard to work from).

21C ambient temps across the board.

ICD7 apparently has a cure time so maybe after a few days it'll perform better. It's claimed that with less than 50 PSI loads on the heatsink it'll take longer than 24 hours to cure so it might be a week or more, not sure of the loads the laptop heatsink expresses on the die( http://innovationcooling.com/ICDDatasheet.htm).

EDIT: I threw some foil tape on the CPU heatsink out of curiosity. The CPU stress test temps are down to 66C with the same setup as before, same ambient temps as well.

 

66C is extremely cool for a mobile Ivy Bridge at max load. The last time I tested I was going over 80C with my 3610 in the Prime95 torture test. What is your idle temperature? My 3610 in all balanced mode idles from 40-55 Celsius, but the most common number I see is about 50.

 

my cpu hit above 90c and im getting throttling but only using intel extreme tuning. in games i get no stutter or drops.
spose with you running a 17" theres much better air flow compared to my 15"

 

According to my reseller (PCSystems-EvolutionX) the impact of airflow on temps is 5°C max between P150EM and P170EM

 

only 5c, thought it might have been more than that.

 

Those are some crazy low temperatures, i get about 85c on my CPU and 87c on my GPU at max loads.

EDIT: then again I'm in Australia at the moment and ambient temps are like 40c...

 

+1 for Australian temps. Poor gpu is taking a beating from the heat. aha

 

must admit when i got my lappy it was so called summer here in the uk (mid 80f) and intel tuning utility was hitting high 90s on all 4 cores. so i dread to think what ambient heat you have to put up with in australia.

 

Around the same as yours. It slowly drops to 40C if the fan is on and the CPU isn't doing much then the fan kicks off and the temp rises back up to 50 when the fan kicks in again and repeat.

 

So disappointing that you actually need tape to get lower temps just because Clevo doesn't bother to do a proper job of heatsink and fan design. Sloppy and cheap.
It's even worse with their new SLI notebook. At least Alienware does a proper job on cooling.

 

sure, but with aw u also have to put up with a 50% premium price for identical hardware and a look that screams teenage puberty
i myself dont mind the tinkering, right the opposite! i LOVE laying hands on my system, optimizing it to the max, customizing and upgrading it myself. cuz then i can proudly say that its "my baby"

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As long as you don't waste money on extras and upgrade ram and ssd yourself, AW isn't that much more expensive. Certainly not 50% more. But yeah, you will pay a few hundred dollars more for a similar setup.

 

I could also say that Clevo's design looks cheap and old. The premium you pay is more like 10% btw. The better cooling and the Metal case are well worth that much. Built in sound is better too. Of course when you add in Dell ram and storage upgrade than yeah I can agree but who actually buys those? It's way cheaper to just upgrade those your self. Not a big deal really.
About the only gripe I have with AW are those ultra glossy screens.

 

Yeah, their screens are definitely a downside. It would be nice if they offered a matte version, and it wasn't just one big glossy piece of glass that covers the whole screen and bezel. It also sucks to have to pay 150 bucks to upgrade to 1920x1080. I think I'm getting an M17x this year though, partly for the reasons you mentioned, but also because you can disable Optimus and Enduro and run solely off the dedicated gpu. That's a major plus for me after having some Enduro issues before the new beta drivers came out.

The styling is all subjective, of course. I love Clevo's simple, stealthy look, but AW's over the top lighting and chassis have grown on me too. I definitely wouldn't say Clevos look cheap, either. They're really solid machines, and the soft touch materials look and feel high quality.

 

Cheap and old? If anything it looks like a proper business computer, not like some teenagers light up spaceship.

 

The p150em looks cool. I like that one. It's too small for my taste though. I was mainly talking about the p170 and that huge,ugly bulky one with the desktop cpu.
And then of course there's their new p370em with the cr*ppy cooling. Slave gpu hitting 90C just because Clevo didn't design a proper heatsink? Really? No thanks....
If I were buying now I'd get an m18x. No question. Waiting till Maxwell and Broadwell though. Maxwell should be a huge game changer with project Denver.

Business this,business that. I'm not a business man. I'm a gamer. I want good cooling and solid,high quality build. AW beats clevo on both those.
The only pro on Clevos side is that they have high quality mat screen options. If AW added in a high quality,120hz screen with non reflective glass option the m18x would rank up to perfect in my book.

 

Big and bulky; it's a DTR, plus it's still only around 4kg, reasonably manageable with a good bag.

The P170EM doesn't support a desktop CPU, don't know where you got that info.

We're all gamers here and some prefer the discrete looks of the Clevo Laptops, such as myself. Need a professional laptop get a workstation grade laptop.

Build quality is awesome on the Clevo, had no structural or internal issues whatsoever.

120hz screen with non reflective glass option would be awesome on any laptop.

 

1,2 I was talking about the P570WEM. If you think that's not ugly,bulky and cheap looking than you're blind.
The p170em should be an up scaled version of the p150. Than it would look good.
3. Well if you prefer it than go for it! No one said you can't.
4. True but the case is made from plastic opposed to magnesium or aluminum on AW's.
5. True but an 18.4" 3d screen would suit the m18x very well. You can't deny that.
Clevo has a mat 3D screen on the p370 but that thing is out of the question with it's cr*ppy cooling.
It couldn't even touch the amazing scores the m18x got.

Like I said. My only gripe is whit that reflective panel covering the screen. Non reflective glass has been invented. They should at least offer it as an option.

 

Ahh sorry, didn't realise you were talking about the P570WEM. I agree haha.
What do you mean by upscaled? i'm thinking like a bigger keyboard, cause the stock one is so bad it makes me sad.
I agree there too, i wish it was made of aluminium or atleast some kind of alloy, plastic on my $2500+ laptop, i mean come on.
Yes true true, 18.4" would make 3d look better but I reckon they should make 120hz more available.
I can't really comment on the P370EM as I don't own one or have done much research.
I don't believe it is non reflective glass, but an AG coating to reduce glare, maybe there is a DIY solution to the issue?

 

Bad cooling? my p9170 has a seperate fan for cpu/gpu. The NP9370 has 3 fans. I remember watching the heat test they do on xotic pc with their fancy pants ambient temperature heat map thingamabob, and it showed excellent cooling for the clevo models. Am i missing some other review that shows this heating problem, possibly under some type of torture test?

 

The number of fans doesn't matter when the heatsink fins and the fans are badly designed and don't align properly. That's what's ruining the temps. There's not enough airpressure going through the heatsink fins. If you look up a few pics about the p370's heatsink than you'll see. It's also in this vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_tEpuGo7iM
Eurocom tried to lie and cover it up but I put them in their place. lol
The p370EM or basically any higher end Clevo is far too expensive for the user having to do aftermarket mods to get proper cooling. Sloppy and cheap design.
The other thing is that AW has 3 thick heat pipes over the gpu. Clevo only has 2 thin ones. Cheaping out on the most basic parts....

I meant that the p170 should have the exact same look as the p150em just in a bigger from factor. An up scaled version of the same thing.
A bigger keyboard would be nice as well + a magnesium case.

There's a link to the anti glare glass I mentioned in the proposed upgrades for the m18x r3 thread. It's in a comment by Mr. Fox.
Go look it up! I think it's somewhere between the 20-30th page. I'd like that as an option over the standard mirror. lol
(and of course the high quality 120hz screen)

 

Please stop stating 'facts' without backing evidence. Clevo has 3 heatpipes, just one leads to the vram. AW has two heatpipes going to the core and one to the vram. Also the alienware pipes look to be thinner and wider while the Clevo are thicker and slightly less wide.

 

On both the m17x and the m18x there are 3 heat pipes over the gpu.( Alienware M17x R4 Notebook Review - Notebookcheck.net Reviews) m18x: Go watch a teardown vid on youtube and you'll see. Click the link if you don't believe me! And while you're at it go look at pics of a p150em's heat pipes( Review Schenker XMG P701 PRO Notebook - Notebookcheck.net Reviews) and an m17x's(already posted)!
The thickness of them is about the same but Alienware's are wider. While you're there go look up the p370em's review ( http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Clevo-P370EM-Barebones-Notebook.81409.0.html ) with the horrible temps. Now those are with stock thermal paste so it can be improved a bit but it has absolutely no chance of getting anywhere near the temps or 3dmark scores of an m18x. I mean on the m18x two overvolted 680m's running at 1.1ghz maxed at 77c under Metro(proof that you crave so badly lol : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBDHBYI7TKs ). On the Clevo the slave gpu can go well over 80 even at stock because of the cr*ppy heatsink and fan design. This is also due to the Clevo engineers not understanding basic physics. Heat travels up. Why are the gpu's facing down on a high end laptop where every degree matters? You'd say easy upgrade ability. I say temps are more important in an enthusiast system.

You get what you paid for. I'm done debating this.

P.S.: I'm not hating on Clevo here. I'm just pointing out a few facts people should know and Clevo should fix.

 

Once again. The AW heatpipes look thinner and wider while the Clevo are thicker and not as wide. I don't have an AW system at me to directly measure but if you'd like to open yours up and take a caliper to it then we'll see exact results. If you don't have a caliper a ruler should do(both thickness and width).

Also, about those '80C' temps with a 680m. On my P170EM I hit peak temps of about 63C(full fan speed, at stock fan speeds ~68C or so)(cooling paste has settled so they dropped a bit, I think)(22C ambient temp) during a benchmark tool like Heaven DX11. True that this is with the tape mod but none the less the temperatures are quite reasonable by all accounts. As for that video of the Metro benchmark. Not accurate enough. GPU usage is 90% on average so they're not stressed to their maximum limits. What are his ambient temps? What are his fan RPMs? Is his laptop on a cooling pad? Etc, must I go on?

Also, you must also take into account that the m18x is a larger notebook than the p170em so therefore it will inherently have slightly better cooling but even so, from what I've read, my temps are neck to neck with the average AW M18x 680m temps, if not better. http://www.anandtech.com/show/6336/...book-review-nvidias-geforce-gtx-680m-in-sli/4

 

That's the whole point. Why do you need modding? Why can't they just do a decent job designing it? Your temps are of course impressive. Not doubting that. Your system wasn't in question though.
We're talking about the slave gpu of the p370em hitting 90C.
As for the other stuff you'll need to ask Fox. I do know he doesn't use a cooling pad. He usually benches with the notebook on his lap.
Doesn't change the fact that the p370 has no hope of getting that high because of the sloppy cooling design....

I don't have an AW for now btw. I'm going of pics. Waiting for Maxwell and Broadwell. I'll buy their SLI system with those.

 

Okay, thanks for you're view on something you haven't even witnessed fist hand...

 

I'm going to have to agree on this. Not only the positioning and proportions, but also alignment and sealing.

 

Thanks for your fanboyish comment and your obvious lack of objectivity. lol
Alienware has better cooling. End of story.