P650HS-G

Hi ive been looking to get a gaming laptop for the first time and after a bit of research i decided on getting the clevo p650hs-g. After a bit of reading here on the forums it is highly recommended to get it with a prema bios. I checked HIDevolution but there seem to be no option to get it on purchase compared to other models like clevo p750tm1-g. Should I opt to get the more expensive p750tm1-g or is prema gonna be available to the p650hs-g model?

 

This sounds like a question for HIDevolution to answer.

 

I bought my laptop with a "latest edition when available" description for the BIOS, and as I understand it, @Prema is still developing the P650HS-G BIOS or at least it is in the queue.

I believe HID evolution removed the "when available" description from the sales configuration page because development is taking longer than anticipated, and it just wasn't tenable to leave there anymore-- i.e. the advertisement was causing more headache than it was worth as a selling point.

But this is just my belief. Perhaps @Donald@HIDevolution can confirm or clarify this?

[Edit: Prema, sorry for the inadvertent @ and call-out here]

 

Part of it is Intel locks the power limit on the CPU to +10W over stock for 30 seconds so going beyond that is going to be tricky.

 

I see. Is it readily available on other clevo models tho?

 

You can just do a simple word search on a Prema Partner website to see what new laptop models come with the BIOS:
http://www.hidevolution.com/catalogsearch/result/?a=all&q=prema

I'm sure @Donald@HIDevolution will answer here soon though, so the issue may be relatively moot...

HID might not carry/stock all current models with a developed BIOS, if you want to check them all, here's the link for the partner list:
https://premamod.com/partner/


But, I wouldn't base your choice only on having the BIOS, jumping to the P750 might be a bigger jump than you think (perhaps that's a good thing though). Make sure your chosen laptop is a good fit in other respects too, e.g. size, weight, available options, cooling, etc.

 

Thank you for your input. Yes i feel like the p650hs is perfect for what im looking for. Is it really bad to just buy it with the stock bios? Are there any brand/model with comparable price to specs ratio that you know of?

 

It isn't that it's bad to buy it with the stock BIOS, it's just that a Prema BIOS enhances what is there and gives very fine control of the laptop 'inner workings'. It's possible to undervolt/overclock the P650 without the Prema BIOS, just not to the same degree/efficiency.

If you really plan to overclock to the max or want fine control of all the voltages, frequencies, etc or have competitive benchmark scores, then you'll need it, but at that point you'll likely want a 7700K or 8700K CPU anyway. If you just need a good strong gaming computer, the advanced BIOS is desirable but not essential.

User sicily428 has a benefit list here:
What is prema bios?

 

Yes ive read some of those benefits thats why im worried about buying the p650 without the prema bios

 

Ralph, I am seriously considering the same model and have same question.

If I buy a P650HS-G this month from HIDEvolution and the PremaBios for it becomes available in the future, lets say in June, will I be able to get it from HIDEvolution to install on the one I purchased?

Those pages for other laptops state "Prema Custom BIOS - Latest Updated Version once available - Contact us for details". I don't have a problem waiting for it, but I want to verify that I will be able to get it when/if it becomes available since that is not stated on the page.

I tried to ask the same through their website, but not expecting an answer until Monday or Tuesday.

 

Yes i have the same dilemma as you, from what ive read its really beneficial to get the premabios, i hope we get some answers soon

 

Edit: Double Post

 

@JoshT @Ralph Angelo Bisain
The BIOS is flashed to your laptop, you don't need to send it back to HID

 

How will i be able to use it in the future?

Do i need to wait for them to put the premabios on the sales configuration before i buy it or do they put it automatically?

 

That's essentially the question I posed to @Donald@HIDevolution in post #6
--> P650HS-G

 

I'm fully aware of how to update a BIOS, done it several times, but usually only when necessary to fix some issue. From what I've read of the PremaBIOS, the features and options that it unlocks makes it a worthwhile upgrade whether overclocking or not.

I realize that HIDevolution (or any other partner) has no control over when and if this BIOS is complete. My concern is future availability of said BIOS since it is not mentioned on product page. When and if it becomes available will I be able to upgrade an existing laptop purchased from them.

Future availability of PremaBIOS is really my biggest reason to buy from a Prema Partner.

So once again...

If I buy one now, will I be able to get PremaBIOS installed (or a copy to install) if it should become available for this model at any point in the future?

 

lol...
Glad to hear you're familiar with the BIOS....
I already asked Donald...
so...
yeah...
See above.

 

Okay, I get it now. I couldn't figure out how you posed a question to Donald when he hadn't even posted to the thread. It's apparently my first time on a forum that uses the whole "@" thing, or at least the first time that I noticed it. Was not aware that members get notified when they are mentioned in a post. That's a cool feature, owner of another forum I'm on was just talking about upgrading from vbulletin to xenforo the other day, not I'm liking the idea a little more.

I'd been in contact with Donald via email before I even joined the forum. This was my last question to him and that was even before I saw the thread, so I guess he's going to get tired of hearing it.

Sorry Donald, but look forward t hearing from you.

 

No worries, I believe I have answered all of your emails at this point.

Just so anyone else that is interested will know, the development of the Prema BIOS for the P6xx models has been hindered, because so far, to adjust power throttling, the motherboard cannot handle it when the power is unlimited. We have therefore removed the Prema BIOS from those models. If the issue is resolved, we will begin offering it again, and reach out to those who have already purchased to make arrangements to flash it remotely.

 

Yep, thanks Donald!

Honestly I couldn't care less about the CPU overclocking features of Prema. It's other features that are added or unlocked that I'm interested in. As you said in email, and I learned from slimmoIG, stock bios has the option to turn off UEFI so that might do what I'm after.

 

Far be it to me but almost like another grade of Prema BIOS there, Prema optimised and Prema performance

 

Sounds like a good idea to me. Prema Optimised for average users that want a little more control, and Prema Performance for those overclockers that are after the max. For some reason I don't think it'd be quite that easy. I suspect that all those features and settings are a little more intertwined that I could possibly imagine and modding BIOS is probably an all or nothing endeavor.

Regardless of how good that may sound, it sounds Prema already has enough irons in the fire. I have absolutely no desire desire to create even more by suggesting a second line of BIOSes.

 

If he has already put in the work however... It would be a case of leaving board limits in place.

 

Help me out here - I am not too familiar with hardware tweaking. So does this "30 sec limit on 10+W excess power" mean that the CPU can still be overclocked (potentially a bit more with some undervolting) as long as the power draw stays below that threshold?
And what would that mean for real life with an undervolt of say -120 mV in terms of clock gain, provided the CPU and pasting quality play along?

Would a 7820HK still be able to run at 4.1GHz? I'm asking because I've never managed to go faster than the 3.9GHz spec limit, but then that may be due to the mess of recent new Linux kernels and CPU scaling utilities not being caught up. Or me not using them correctly...

 

Max speed will depend on the load. Under lighter loads it should maintain higher clocks.

 

Well, yes. at close to 100% load I mean.

 

47W under max load usually gives around 3.3ghz, 57W is usually good for 3.7Ghz. Numbers will vary chip to chip and machine to machine.