P670RP-G vs P750DM2-G

Hello All,

I have been trying to decided what to get for the past few weeks, and was hoping to get some help on what would be better, a I7-6700K with a GTX 1060 (P670RP-G), or a I7-6700HQ with a GTX 1070 (P750DM2-G).

Both work out to be roughly the same cost, so am wondering if if the higher GPU is worth losing the desktop CPU, or vice-visa.

The laptop will be 100% a gaming computer.

Please give me your thoughts,
Thanks,

 

If your budget is fixed, got for the GTX 1070. It's quite a good bit faster and the CPU will make little difference to purely gaming scenarios. You might be able to meet in the middle and go for a 6820HK + 1070 in the P600 series, depending on your local reseller.

 

Seconded for gaming gpu over cpu everytime unless the cpu is a serious bottleneck. The P670 will be noticeably faster.

Just remember there are also other screen sizes of both of those (P650RS and P770DM).

 

Thanks for the quick replies so far, and while the budget is not fixed per say, these options are already $2500, any other upgrade pushes it closer to the 3k range, making it much hard to justify.
I am getting it through Metabox which has a decent special on at the moment, so was wanting to get it before that ends.

Also, for a Bonus question, anyone have any word on when Clevo will be going to the I7-7700? (It kinda feels like the wrong time to buy a DTR atm with all the new tech just out).

Wofen

 

The Kaby Lake quad-core parts don't have a fixed release date AFAIK. The ULV stuff is appearing now, but it could be well into 2017 before quad-cores appear. Either way, Kaby Lake will have 0 IPC performance improvement. Much of the improvements are in the onboard GPU (bit faster + more hardware video decoding/encoding codecs). Most will probably get a token 100mhz bump which is almost worthless.

What exactly is your budget? I'm in Oz too, so I've had 4 machines from Metabox now

There's a couple of things from their list which I'd consider "must-haves":

1. Upgrade the wireless to Intel 8260AC. It's far better as the stock card is 802.11N only which is slowly being superseded.
2. Upgrade to the 2 year onsite pickup warranty.

The 6820HK is optional but does buy you a bit of longevity. At 4ghz it is VERY close to the stock 6700K in performance which should serve you well for gaming.

The final thing to consider is the cost of SSDs/HDDs. You can always install your own as you can often find them much cheaper. I'd strongly consider the new Intel 600P NVME drives as well. They're quite close to the 850 EVO pricing and have a huge read speed advantage which makes them perfect for gaming use (shortening load times that is).
Samsung are also releasing their 960 Pro NVME drives soon but I imagine they'll be priced like their 950 Pros (ie double the cost of SATA drives).

 

Currently my budget changes on a day to day bases.
Basically I have as much budget as I can justify to myself, so if need be, I could get a 870, but TBH, really really dont need SLI 1080's .
I was thinking that between 2.5k and 3k would be a good price point, as I should be able to get a future proof system without too much wasted $$$.

@Stooj, any chance you could do up the computer you would recommend for 2.75k (give or take $250, so, 2.5k to 3k).

Wofen

 

Unfortunately, I can't link you to a pre-configured one, but I can list the changes I'd pick for that money (if it's not listed, I'd leave it on default or $0 option).

Firstly, I'd order from KongComputers (their base price is a bit cheaper and free shipping): http://www.kongcomputers.com/product-detail/gamers/metabox-prime-p670rs-g.aspx

1. Base Model = Prime P670RS-G
2. No carbon wrap
3. No OS. There are cheaper places "out there" for Win10 or if you have a current license you can transfer it.
4. 16GB DDR4 2133mhz
5. No drives. Go to PCCG or whoever you like and look at the Intel 600P 512GB M.2 drive. It's ~$240 + shipping. Easy enough to install yourself.
6. +Intel 8260 AC Wifi
7. +2 year Platinum Metabox Onsite Pickup

The Machine itself should come up as $2587. Add the SSD and you're looking at around the $2800 mark. If you want a big spinning disk, then you can add the HGST 1TB 4500rpm drive from the KongComputers list.

Not sure what your situation is, but you'll probably have to consider other bits and pieces such as:

• A Good bag! Don't underestimate the value of a solid bag to protect this thing! Furthermore, good quality bags are god damn expensive and make sure there's enough room to store the power brick + accessories in the excess pockets. Many bags get the laptop compartment right and then forget you have to carry other stuff.
• Headphones/Earphones. Gaming on speakers sucks. For around $110-120 (sweet spot for quality but not so expensive you die inside if you lose them..) I'd recommend the:
  -Steelseries Siberia v2/v200 cans. I've got 2 pairs of these now as they're exceptionally good for music where most other gaming headsets I've found are garbage for music. I use them at work as well literally 9-5 and they stay perfectly comfortable.
  OR
  -Audio Technica ATH-IM50 in-ears. Great value in-ears that put some $200+ stuff to shame, for something more portable. I've got the slightly higher end IM70s.

 

Thanks for the update, all your points are great (Should have mentioned that I am actually an IT Engineer/Sys Admin by trade (But I work on BIG Yachts, so am abit out of touch with hardware (unless you want to discuss $100,000 ipad configurations ), so installing things is not a concern for me).
Forgot to mention that I would be upgrading the Wifi as you advised.

The only item that I would like to ask why, is the 2133 Ram? Why not use 2400 (its $30, Why not ). I mainly ask this, as last time I built a computer (back in 2009), Ram was a bottle neck at the time.
Also, for the Cost of $50, I am happy to buy direct from Metabox (I have always loved what they have done for high end laptops in Aus).

And finally, Windows license, I have only seen a slight mark on on this ($10-$20), so was just going to buy it through them to save me the hassle of installing windows (And so the OS/Drive configuration is covered under there warranty). If you know of anyway to get a cheap copy of Windows 10 (It amazes me that I dont have one), let me know and I will review.

Thank you,
Wofen

 

ditto

 

Its all opportunity cost my friend. If you wanna save yourself the hassle just get it with windows there isn't much difference.

As for ram, 2133Mhz is not a bottleneck at all at the moment. Not really worth paying more for it unless you have a specific task in mind. SLI would see a benefit but you aren't going for that so just save the money.

 

Going above 2133mhz can help if you want to push higher refresh rate gaming, but only as a cherry on top with everything else maxed.

 

Same here (minus the yacht that is), I actually use the P670RP6 as my primary work machine (3 external monitors + usb hub).

As mentioned, 2133mhz RAM doesn't present much of a bottleneck. There are a few benchmarks of games with RAM speed and for the most part it made very little difference. The only noticeable differences were with DDR3 as the speed changes were significant from 1333mhz to 2133mhz and beyond. In those benches anything higher than 1866mhz didn't really do much and much more recent benches with DDR4 show almost 0 difference now.

The only exception to this appears to be AMD APUs because their internal GPUs draw their VRAM from the system memory.

Keep in mind if you go with 0 drives and add your own, they don't actually have anything to install to. If you go with the Intel 540S from them (make sure you grab the latest Intel RST driver directly from Intel as you'll get some weird freeze-ups without it)

 

Thanks, makes alot of sense about the Ram (The last time I really looked at a gaming spec computer was back in the DDR3 days, and it did make a massive difference).
It seems like R670RP-G is the way to go (unless I can justify getting the 1070 in the P750... which at $3200 I dont think I will do).

Will be getting Windows, as it comes with a free drive and when I get my shiny thing, I wont want to be installing windows.
Also have a 512GB SSD, 2TB Mag Drive and 16GB of Ram waiting for it.

Thanks Everyone,
GL