P750dm2-g/p775dm3-g upgrade with a Coffee Lake cpu?

https://wccftech.com/intel-coffee-lake-desktop-6-core-4-core-cpu-leaked/

" Are Intel Coffee Lake Processors Compatible With LGA 1151 Socket and 200-Series PCH?
This also brings us to the next interesting detail we are getting from this listing. The specific 6 core Coffee Lake part was tested on the Kaby Lake-S client system. Kaby Lake-S platform means that the chip was ran off a 200-series PCH based motherboard. If true, Coffee Lake would retain compatibility not only with the LGA 1151 socket but also currently available motherboards."


i'm reading about coffee lake and intel could release coffee lake in August.

"Intel Coffee Lake chips were previously going to launch in January 2018 (CES). But recent AMD launches have pushed Intel to shake up their launch roadmap. The recent reports have suggested that Coffee Lake chips can launch as early as August, at GamesCom 2017. The new Coffee Lake chips will launch alongside the Z370 chipset based motherboards and would be followed by the H370 and B360/H310 chipsets at the end of 2017 or early 2018."

i know that clevo p870km-g and clevo p870km1-g have a chipset z270. is there a p7xx with a z270? do you think that i could upgrade a P750dm2-g with a Coffee Lake cpu?or it could need a new mobo? is power enough?

 

Couldn't resist

 

Guess everything so you can claim you were right lol.

 

next CPU Name = Cappuccino Lake

@Papusan

 

The name isn't importent bruh


But 6 core chips are most welcome in laptops again

 

Hoping for 6-core chips too but the TDP has me scared. I remember some speculative articles based on rumours that said 100W TDP - that's....hot. I mean, if they're adding a 100W 6-core, why not a 95W 8-core Ryzen?

 

+9W on stock 7700K. Why not 95W 8-core Ryzen? As you said Yeah, 220 or better, oc'd 236W. I mean you said 100W TDP - that's.... What with +110W on top of that?

 

Yeah, AMD is less tight with what they mean by TDP, sometimes I think it's what they wished it was.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...16l-g-1080-15-6-owners-lounge.797128/page-150

 

Everyone is working on Coffee Lake systems at the moment, including MSI ;-)

As for further information, I'm unfortunately NDA limited as per usual :-(

 

thanks for your answer

 

Also crippled 45W 6 core BGA

 

I expect the 6-core variants will only find their way into workstation type notebooks. If it's anything like Xeon-D, then perf/watt will jump drastically for multi-core workloads.

 

I don't think so. 6 core is the next for gaming as well. But the puny 6 core 45w BGA chips is a joke. Expect throttling down to base clock in fully prolonged load!! Clock speed around base clock frequency isn't Throttling in Intel's terminology. A new Turd King Is born See my POST Games will be optimized for more cores.

 

I'm not so sure of that. 6+ (up to 16) core BGA chips are already available as the Xeon-D and they're VERY good at what they do.

A 14nm 6-core 45W part already exists and it's this:
http://ark.intel.com/products/91203

Base 2.2ghz and max turbo of 2.7ghz. It's Broadwell tech but clockspeeds haven't changed that much since then, within TDP brackets. Even a modest boost to say 2.5ghz base, 3ghz boost is definitely not gaming territory. Which leads me to think it'll be more for workstation type use (such as content creation). That is unless they drastically alter turbo multipliers (ie step up 1-2 core multipliers a lot).

Eventually maybe, but games can't even use 4c/8t properly yet, nevermind 6+. Games are inherently tied to single thread performance because they have a core engine loop to deal with and require low latency between various logic threads. It gets exceedingly difficult to sync video, audio, AI and whatever else.

Besides, a single quote from ID Software, who's game engines basically did nothing but in-house after D3, is hardly proof of anything in the market. Carmack is gone too which doesn't help.

 

With good core handling games should not be impacted by increasing the physical core count.

 

I get that you don't like BGA, but there's no need to quote me and then hijack the thread completely off topic with BGA hate.

 

A new released 6 core i7 (BGA) will have a long life span if you buy it tomorow. Games will take advantage of this sooner or later when those are pushed into the market. + Streaming will become more and more popular. Nobody says that games are highly optimized for 6 or (+6) core processors today. But game developers will follow the trend. I'm pretty sure that these will be the new, in all kinds of laptops. Not only 6 core BGA in workstations as you said. Yeah, Xeon mobile was 2.7GHz Turbo boost yesterday. But this time it will be 6 core i7. Remember former 6700hq was only 3.1GHz on all 4 cores or 2 cores max 3.3 GHz.

 

Keep in mind, that noted Broadwell Xeon is already 45W TDP and on 14nm process for that 2.7ghz Turbo. Coffee Lake (Optimization "tock") is still going to be on 14nm and more or less the same arch as Skylake/Kabylake. To take a 6700hq/7700hq right now and strap 2 more cores on it to run the same turbo would require +33% more TDP.

If we take their 45W TDP and if we believe their "15% advantage over Kaby Lake" (lets just assume it means they up the clockspeed by 15% without taking a TDP hit), you still only end up with 3.1ghz boost and 2.5ghz base.

 

Yeah, We still do not know 100% where Intel will end up. Same question for the desktop variant 8th Gen Core "Cannon Lake" Over 15% Faster Than Kaby Lake: Intel

See also Intel "Coffee Lake" Company's First 6-core Mainstream SKU (Old news I know)

 

That is pretty silly. No point is having that kind of CPU in something more than a tablet or cell phone.

Maybe the thought process is having more castrated cores is better than fewer castrated cores, as if that will somehow make selling garbage more acceptable. But, we already know it doesn't actually need to be any good to make the kids happy. As long as it is marketed in such a way to make it sound special and it is popular with their friends on Facebook that's good enough.

 

I was really hoping to see a iGPU free 6 core on the consumer platform. Not a 6 core POS clocked in the 3ghz's.

 

For certain tasks 6 cores at 3ghz is better than 4 cores at 3.6ghz. Once you get into the lower clock ranges the efficiency jumps way up and it's easier to cool.

If the chip can then tune up 4 cores while leaving two parked and stay in lock step with the native quad then it's simply a better product.

Without seeing how they behave ranting at them is pointless.

 

If it is BGA piece of garbage with 45W max TDP, both of those attribute are unacceptable disqualifiers and there will be nothing good about it. On that basis alone a rant would be in order even with no knowledge about how it performs (or doesn't perform).

 

Yep. I'll add to that. Even if it's LGA and gimped to 45W that would suck almost as much.

 

That kind of thinking would have placed the pentium 4 being better than the pentium M

 

And, neither of them were BGA filth.

 

It is good to be open to knew things, but we pretty much know what we're getting this time.

 

No the pentium 4 mobile was just a disaster instead

 

And we know very well how the Mobile i7 history went ↓↓↓

 

The mobile i7 is pretty similar with the hk replacing the ones which were partially unlocked.

Its the mobile extreme series that died with desktop socket systems taking over.

 

And, that was terribly unfortunate. Every mobile Extreme CPU other than the 4940MX abortion was excellent and ran pretty much neck-and-neck with the same generation desktop K 4C/8T processors. Perhaps the problem was cheapskate laptop shoppers found them too expensive and they didn't sell well enough. I have to count myself as being part of the problem here, because I always bought systems with the cheap loser-boy QM processors and saved 50% or more buying secondhand XM CPUs. Laptop owners wanting to save a few bucks and not having enough information or experience to recognize the difference between good and lousy performance is a problem that started before BGA filth became the defacto standard in mobile trash.

 

I bought one of the full fat bad boys with the 3920xm.

 

we're all part of the problemo!

 

Indeed. Too many of us (collectively) are willing to open our wallets for garbage. When we are willing to pay cash for trash we can expect to get more of the same... crippled feces.

 

Quad-core Core i7-8650U CPU spotted on GFXBench
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Quad-core-Core-i7-8650U-CPU-spotted-on-GFXBench.218110.0.html

Intel may be bringing quad-core ULV CPUs to notebooks for the first time. The source has since taken down the listing on the unconfirmed processor page to add more fuel to the fire.
The successor to Kaby Lake will likely be just a small performance update ever since Intel announced the end of its "tick tock" development cycle in 2014. We fully expect to see 14 nm CPUs once again for at least one more year until 10 nm chips become widely available.

A performance uptick of 15 percent over the current generation of Kaby Lake processors is likely via further optimizations in the architecture and manufacturing process. Perhaps the biggest change to the next generation could be the addition of quad-core SKUs in the 15 TDP U-class family of processors. Thus far, these ULV processors have been limited to only two full cores. If true, the upcoming Kaby Lake successor could be a huge boon to ultra-thin notebooks especially if Hyper-Threading remains.

GFXBench has since taken down the page on the Core i7-8650U, but the original listing was claiming a base clock rate of 1.9 GHz. This is significantly slower than the current Core i7-7600U and its base clock of 2.8 GHz, but a quad-core configuration for the i7-8650U could potentially make up the deficit and then some.

As for the integrated GPU on the i7-7650U, GFXBench was listing its name as the HD Graphics 620 which would make it identical to the integrated GPU on current generation U-class Kaby Lake notebooks. It's possible that the graphics boost between the two generation will be so minimal that Intel will not need to introduce a new lineup in the HD Graphics series at all.
https://gfxbench.com/device.jsp?ben...U+CPU+with+HD+Graphics+620&testgroup=info

 

I think the next generation will be a test of how well cores can be parked when not needed.

 

http://wccftech.com/intel-x299-skylake-x-kaby-lake-x-z370-coffee-lake-s-z390-cannonlake-cpu-details/

Intel Coffee Lake S CPU Lineup To Feature Hyperthreaded Core i7 and Core i5 Models With Up To 6 Cores, Core i3 To Boast 4 Cores – Support Recommended on Z370 Platform With LGA 1151 V2 Socket
The conference also detailed a bunch of new information on the upcoming Coffee Lake CPUs. The Coffee Lake S family which is the codename for the mainstream desktop platform is already known to feature the first 6 core mainstream processor from Intel. The processor lineup will launch in the third quarter with a release focused around August at Gamescom 2017. The release will include a series of 6 and 4 core models. There will also be dual core models added to the lineup but later in first quarter of 2018.

Coffee Lake S will be launching alongside the brand new Z370 chipset which is known as CFL-PCH (Coffee Lake PCH). The platform will feature the LGA 1151 V2 socket so while it will have the same number of pins as the current LGA 1151 socket, it seems like Intel is moving to ditch support of the Coffee Lake CPUs on older LGA 1151 socketed motherboards such as Z270 series. It is stated that Intel will clearly be differentiating the socket with the use of “V2” moniker so consumers don’t end up buying the wrong board for their Coffee Lake desktop processor.

The new 6 core parts will feature 50% more cores, threads and cache compared to current offering. So we are looking at next-generation Core i7 mainstream SKUs with 6 cores, 12 threads and 12 MB of L3 cache. Similarly, the Core i5 models will be the first Intel mainstream models with full support for hyperthreading support. The Core i5 models will ship with 4 cores, 8 threads and 8 MB of L3 LLC (Last Level Cache). This is up from 4 cores, 4 threads and 6 MB of LLC on the current Core i5 model.

All models in the Coffee Lake S family will feature the next generation Intel GT2 tier graphics chip. The Pentium series would include 2 cores, 4 threads and up to 4 MB of L3 cache. There will also be some models with 3 MB L3 cache while featuring GT1 tier graphics chips.

 

You forgot to include the pinch of salt considering the source They also said the new Core i5 x was going to be a core i7

 

i only posted it
do you think that article is totally false?

 

This will be August or September

 

Hmm there was an engineering sample of a coffee lake CPU running on a Z270 board awhile back, wonder if they would somehow work on older Z170/270 boards or if Intel will switch a few pins around for retail chips and make it not work in Z170/270.

 

really? can u pls link us cause that would be amazing.

currently intel has claimed coffelake being lga 1151 same numbers of pin but with v2 to make it incompatible unless you get a new board..

 

im still hoping for a @Prema mod making things compatible on Z170/270 mobos

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I think it was this...yes I know it's wccftech LOL

http://wccftech.com/intel-coffee-lake-desktop-6-core-4-core-cpu-leaked/

I'm actually curious about this. If they were originally compatible as ES and all Intel does it switch the pin layout around a bit, is it actually possible to support them with a bios mod?

 

So with the pushed up timetable does that mean that we'll see CoffeeLake CPUs soon?

 

no idea at this point. well just have to wait and see what the master can do

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thats correct, it'll likely be in a clevo laptop by end of this yr.

 

http://wccftech.com/intel-coffee-lake-delayed-2018-8th-gen-kaby-lake-refresh

Intel Coffee Lake CPUs Delayed to 2018, 8th Gen Gets Kaby Lake Refresh This Year