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    P775 and 9700k

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by Robertjan88, Oct 14, 2018.

  1. Robertjan88

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    Did someone order his/her P775 with the new 9700k?
    I am very much wondering how the performance and temperatures compare to the P775 with the 8700k. :)
     
    Robertjan88, Oct 14, 2018
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    P775TM1 doesn't support officialy the new 9 generation. You'll have to wait for the upcoming generation to be announced by Clevo
     
    joluke, Oct 14, 2018
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    If I remember correctly Premamod bios supports that cpu in that model.
    May be @Prema tested it?
     
    sicily428, Oct 14, 2018
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    Not officially... And not without a Prema BIOS... so its misleading
     
    joluke, Oct 14, 2018
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    Eurocom is not a Prema Partner and their P7XXTMs also support 9xxx cpus
     
    sicily428, Oct 14, 2018
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    TM series does officially support 9th gen with a BIOS update: https://www.mysn.de/driver/1_XMG/XMG_ULTRA 15_17/BIOS/

    Whether they will be able to cool the 8 core CPUs is a different matter.
     
    yrekabakery, Oct 14, 2018
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    Well thats interesting then! Hope the P775DM3-G is too :)

    Or maybe we'll get a unofficial BIOS and microcode update to support those :D

    thanks mate
     
    joluke, Oct 14, 2018
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    that's news, I thought they were :p
     
    thegh0sts, Oct 14, 2018
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    The current Coffee Lake BIOS mod for the DMx series already supports 9th gen: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...o-lga1151-laptops.821694/page-8#post-10786680

    Just make you take the pins properly. I'm not sure if it's the same procedure on 9th gen as it is with 8th gen in that regard.
     
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    so clevo is going in the right direction!
    Upgradeability is the route to go :)

    [​IMG]
     
    sicily428, Oct 15, 2018
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    What's all this? Who would have guessed.....maybe there is even a review going up somewhere soon ;-)
     
    XMG, Oct 15, 2018
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    Official Cpu upgradeability is awesome. Clevo finally understands what customers ask :)
     
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    The 9600k i5 is certainly worth considering too for those who just want the better thermals of a soldered IHS.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Oct 15, 2018
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    Better or easier?
     
    BrightSmith, Oct 16, 2018
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    Better thermals than using thermal paste like intel did before. Not sure what you mean by easier?
     
    Meaker@Sager, Oct 16, 2018
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    I meant that if you want better thermals LM is still better than soldered, but soldered is easier because no delidding & repaste maintenance.
     
    BrightSmith, Oct 17, 2018
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    By half a degree to a degree for lm vs soldered so not worth worrying about.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Oct 17, 2018
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    When can we expect CineBench benchmarks to compare the 9700k with the 8700k, see potential thortteling and an overview of the temperature? Of course, not just one run, but several like Notebookcheck does. Only then one can spot the extend of thermal throtteling. :)
     
    Robertjan88, Oct 17, 2018
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    Once product is out in the wild.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Oct 17, 2018
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    So in 2 days? :)
     
    Robertjan88, Oct 17, 2018
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    Your answer is 5 posts above ;-)

    I have internal tests, but those always get shot down as being non-independent and biased, so will leave it to the review sites.
     
    XMG, Oct 17, 2018
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    Is NDA the real reason, or are you just teasing? ;)
     
    yrekabakery, Oct 17, 2018
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    He he - well yes you're correct, the NDA isn't clear yet so I couldn't post any figures now. But what I meant in the main was that any performance figures posted by companies on here are shot down by certain individuals and so I won't give them any more ammunition.

    It's mainly to say that we have had review chassis out there for a while and you will see the results in their reviews pretty soon - and be able to compare those two CPUs in Cinebench directly (as in, we have the figures but can't release them for fear of death by concrete boots) ;-)
     
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    @XMG your going to sleep with the fishes posting them or not ;)
     
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    Actually, there is already 1 review online: https://elchapuzasinformatico.com/2018/09/intel-core-i7-9700k-review/

    However, this benchmark cannot really be linked to the performance in e.g. the P775 as a laptop never offers perfect circumstances.

    Since the 9700k is cheaper than the delided 8700k, I am very quit curious about it's performance and throtteling.

    Will this CPU really be able to beat the (delided) 8700k inside the p775 or not?

    Please feel free to post your findings. I don't see why people would complain about it.... :)
     
    Robertjan88, Oct 18, 2018
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    Those guys, as @Meaker@Sager said, will be swimming with the fishes - the Intel NDA is not up yet so they're in quite a bit of trouble! There is always a News Embargo, a Review Embargo and a Shipping Embargo - often with different dates. That's why there are other news articles online but no other press reviews with specific test data, apart from the link you posted.
     
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    Ok. When does the NDA expire?

    I always need to laugh about those NDAs, especially when Intel and Nvidia are release rigged benchmarks in the meantime offering untrue information (one example happened very recently). ;)
     
    Robertjan88, Oct 18, 2018
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    EDIT - if you're refering to the Intel vs AMD benchmarks, actually that wasn't rigged - it was to do with the AMD Game mode settings used by a third party company conducting the test. It's easy to call consipracy, but those of us privileged to be inside the industry know it wasn't purposefully rigged.

    Telling someone when the NDA breaks is breaking the NDA ;-) But everyone already knows - posted yesterday;

     
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    Very soon :)
     
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    @XMG @Meaker@Sager
    many reviews have been published during the last couple of hours and it seems that, overall, the 9700k is uptou 10% faster than the 8700k in most benchmarks.

    Could you please release your benchmarks for the P775?

    With the current ongoing discounts, it would be great to know as soon as possible how well the 9700k performs in this laptop under load, the temperatures and if any thermal throtteling appears. Especially after a dozen of CineBench runs and continuous long term load. :)

    Thanks!
     
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    Stock power is the same so you can certainly expect similar results to the desktop boards running stock power settings.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Oct 19, 2018
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    Ok, but we all know that any CPU, like the 8700k, is impacted by some form of throtteling inside the P775. Desktop benchmarks cannot be compared as they mostly have optimal cooling.


    It all depends on the temperatures under long loads. Hence, it would be great to see the Cinebench and temperature benchmarks as well as potential throtteling within this laptop.
    Personally, I am especially interested how the new 9700k copes vs the delided 8700k.
     
    Robertjan88, Oct 19, 2018
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    Stock power differences between z370 and z390: https://www.techspot.com/amp/review/1730-intel-core-i9-9900k-core-i7-9700k/page5.html

    "Starting with the stock out of the box performance we saw that the MSI Z390 Godlike allowed the 9900K to produce a score of 2048 pts. Now slotting that CPU onto the Z370 PC Pro resulted in a score of just 1790 pts after a 6-run average. Initially the score was up around 1900 pts but on the second pass we saw a lot more VRM throttling and this continued as we ran the test 4 more times to report a 6 run average."
     
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    That's not good. The P775 is using the Z370....AND the throtteling will most likely be worse since the CPU will be used in a laptop and not a large desktop case with several coolers.

    Unfortunately, they didn't yet publish the same benchmarks for the 9700k...
     
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    Our systems may actually do better than the Z370 pc pro did. We have 1 less VRM phase. But our VRMs are cooled by the cpu heatsink, not just a chunk of aluminum. Depending on what power stages Clevo uses it might not be too bad.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
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    This is exactly why it would be great if @XMG or/and @Meaker@Sager share some benchmarks ;)

    Otherwise we need to wait for e.g. Notebookcheck which might be months. Not willing to wait that long with buying a laptop. :D
     
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    Notebookcheck have had one of ours for a while, the review will be out in a matter of days...this is what I was hinting at earlier in the thread ;-)
     
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    Then you have a nice base line comparison with other models too.
     
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    You guys are the best! Please tell me they tested the 9700k and not just the 9900k? :)
     
    Robertjan88, Oct 21, 2018
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    HTs impact on temperatures/power has not changed.
     
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    But the 9700k doesn't have HT, hence that's the most interesting one to compare to the 8700k. Especially, since they are in the same price class.
    To be honest, I am expecting the 9700k to be cooler and have less throtteling than the delided 8700k. Let's see. Can't wait for Notebookcheck's review :)
     
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    Higher power consumption = Higher heat https://www.computerbase.de/2018-10/intel-core-i9-9900k-i7-9700k-cpu-test/3/
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    2 real cores will be doing more work at the same time however.
     
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    As well all core stock Turbo boost is higher.
     
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    Fairly aggressively so.
     
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    Seems the review might take a little longer. I'm looking though our own tests to see what I can post here. Nbc will likely only test with one configuration though.
     
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    Thanks! It would be great if you could post something. :)
    Will Notebookcheck be testing the 9900k or 9700k? And what is a little bit longer? End of the week or several week? :eek:
     
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    If you are just gaming get the 9700k and save yourself the cash anyway.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Oct 22, 2018
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    The primary purpose for my P775 will be high quality 4k video editing (with LUTS and bitrates up to 400Mbit/s), photo editing, designing and some gaming.
    The choice I need to make is between the delised 8709k or the 9700k. Without solid benchmarks etc, that's a hard decision (don't want to make a mistake cause I cannot exchange it later on). :)
     
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