P775 and 9700k

The 9900K would be the best choice if you can go for it.

 

We have 40x runs of Cinebench of the 9700K and 9900K in the P775, I will try and post these tomorrow if I can (Tuesday is crazy meeting schedule day every week) - if not then will be on Wednesday. These tests were run with ES CPUs and a beta BIOS, I may have non-ES 9900K tests in a day or two from our lab to share. Note that these are the normal type of tests that a company like us carries out for internal use - I don't have screenshots with every mearurement program all fancily laid out!!!! But I can definitely give the foundation of the numbers tests and results, with temps and hi/low/average clock speeds.

I can't way when the review will go online, but I thought it was going up literally now - this actually wasn't the case, my fault as I missunderstood the timeline. I expect it'll be in a week or so, but I'll post the tests we carried out from earlier in the month as soon as I have time

 

Amazing! Thanks a million.

 

I fully agree! Unfortunately, I only have a budget for a 9700k or 8700k.

 

Even the 8700K runs to hot on the P775 and P870, sadly most here love to absolutely mislead people into thinking their system can run 6core 14NM CPU's even at ridiculous clockspeeds such as 5ghz. Sadly once a person like you actually purchases it and sees the real performance, you tend to get really dissapointed and ask yourself how people are allowed to post these kinds of things.

The only notebook that can handle a 6core CPU somewhat decently is the Aorus X9 DT with an I9 - 8950HK. It's the only notebook I've ever seen that could out of the box handle a prime95 + furrmark without themral throttle.

 

Prime95 isn't even running in that screenshot.



91C at only 39.42W is a terrible result, not to mention core temp differences being all over the place. That's with a -154mV undervolt as well.

 

What is single core score in Cinebench R15 with i9-8950Hk? Equal as 7820Hk? @Danishblunt

 

It's a bug, misreads happen a lot. Hwinfo GPU-Z and other softwares all claim my roomates GTX 770 runs at 500W - 800W for instance lmao.

 

Really? You got caught slippin' and that's the little white lie you come up with? Nobody believes that.

When you have to resort to making up things in an attempt to discredit brands you hate, that makes you look foolish and desperate, not to mention disreputable.

 

Maybe the awful single core Cinebench R15 score is a bug also? Weird because the single core score in Cinebench R11.5 is flawed as well.

Fyi. Notebookcheck states throttling if clocks can’t keep base clocks. Aka 2.9GHz for i9-8950Hk

 

Typical lying clevo user, let me do something you lying clevo fanboys never do, provide proof:

(Note: these are without repaste, doing a repaste will improve temperatures even more)

The fact that you're unaware of misreads showcases your ignorance.

500W GTX 770, because clevoturd user thinks people who don't trust software readings are lying. Guess serious overclockers are stupid for not trusting software readings and instead use hardware for reading actual powerdraw.

The reason why this notebook cools down the CPU better than your steaming heavy turdbook is because of 4 fans and vapor chamber. Unlike clevo, gigabyte does work on their solutions providing something decent sometimes and not reusing their same gimped garbage over and over again.

Can't wait to see more lies that will spout from your mouth. Next thing you will claim 9900K runs at 5ghz 60c in turbooks, obviously with no proof whatsoever.

 

Looks like you're changing the subject, not gonna bother to read that though.

 

Provided proof, "doesn't bother to read" classic.

@ Robertjan88
As you can see, you have to be very vary of the clevo notebooks. They cannnot handle the speeds people claim they do, all they have to show for at best are extremely short benchmarks such as cinebench almost always without temperatures.



This is a P870 running a 7700K @ 5ghz.
The chip is delidded, silicon lottery chosen and even got a custom IHS relid. It is absolutely top notch in everything and handpicked components to get the best thermals possible. The fanspeeds run at 100% as well.

Note how the 4 core CPU is running at 90c in a game? How roughly 60% usage in a game pushes it into near thermal throttle? Rendering with a 5ghz 4 core CPU is impossible.

Now imagine clevo fanboys claiming you can run the same 14nm architecture, with 50% more cores (or in the 9700K 100% more cores) @ 5ghz when rendering
Obviously you would ask for proof, which, you will never recieve. hence, I would strongly suggest before puchasing a notebook like that, that you do some research beforehand. Check if the claims people make here fit the description.

 

Meh, I get decent enough temps in that game.

 

@XMG Any update regarding the benchmarks?

 

I still can't understand your hate to LGA laptops. I have one and I hardly could recommend one, but saying that thin and light laptops have better performance, is just false.

 

In this 1 case it seems like it. Compare your notebook to the gigabyte posted on the youtube video.

You have something backwards tho, I don't dislike LGA notebooks, I dislike people purchasing a 8700K, slam it into the notebook and claim they can run 5ghz, while they obviously can't, while misleading people who actually need the performance such as Robert, who will get dissapointed when he figures out that a high clockspeed is only possible in gaming (depending on game at that), but not when it matters the most in rendering.

This is your statement:

See what I'm getting at? The gigabyte can hanndle (even tho barely) 4.3ghz under prime95 small FTT.

 

In the video it only runs cinebech. Not prime95.
Also, I wouldn't recommend that laptop instead of a traditional LGA. Because you gain nothing and lose the ability to replace GPU and CPU.

And I think you will run into AVX throttling in all laptops in the market today.

 

As the review of Notebookcheck said, even on prime the CPU did not throttle @ 4.3ghz

Sadly MXM replacements are getting harder and harder these days. Considering the 8 core madness temperatures and the inability to upgrade past pascal as it seems, it's not really an argument anymore. Upgradability is now harder than ever, the times where we could shove a GTX 980M into our old notebooks such as M15X from 2010 are over.

You can't even purchase a clevo pascal card for clevo notebooks with a kaby or skylake without having to check the revision of the card because if it's a new revision that is meant for coffee lake it won't work.

 

It does not say it was the small ftt bench and looking to the power draw in hwmonitor it seems obvious it wasn't.

I still can't understand the hate and effort in proving LGA laptops are bad. I don't considered them ideal, but in raw performance numbers they seem the best you can get.

 

Like I said, Prime95 wasn't running at all in that screenshot. The CPU was idling.

 

As already showcased beforehand, it's likely a bugged reading, a GTX 770 cannot have 500w+ powerdraw as well.

I'll quote again:

If you still don't get it, then I feel sorry for you.

 

I also feel sorry for you because you think no throttling while idle is some kind of achievement and proof that BGAbooks are superior.

 

Err, common, you know that is ********
If you check their reviews you will see that don't seem to enable AVX workloads.

But can you get that on an BGA laptop? And it seems that some companies sell binned CPUs that will run @5Ghz. They are going to be crazy expensive, but they will run @5Ghz. And with Prema Bios they will even achieve that in AVX loads.

 

In your dreams. Even yrekabakery tried it on his notebook, it didn't even take a minute for him to start thermal throttle at 4.5gh, he can hold 4.5ghz for about 1-1.5minutes.


If it wasn't for his shared heatsink design it would be far worse. That's why you see the guy nerfing the hell out of his GPU because his notebook would burn like a furnace. His FPS in every single game he benchmarks is abysmally bad compared to the settings he has. So yeah, nice try there.

 

Haha, that's rich. How long would it take a BGAbook to thermal throttle with a 166W CPU load, 2 seconds?

No idea what the stuff about nerfing GPUs or low FPS is all about, probably just your usual nonsense.

 

So, it does not hold 5Ghz(or high clocks or that matter) in AVX loads. What laptop does? Because none of the proof you provided is running AVX loads.

 

Not to mention that "AVX loads" is a generic term comprising anything which uses AVX instructions, regardless of its intensity. Things like RealBench or Handbrake or Android emulators that have AVX acceleration, or even the new Assassin's Creed game, are less intensive than Prime95, sometimes in a big way. And within Prime95 itself, Small FFTs produces much more heat than Blend, Large FFTs, or 1344K. The 8700K at 5GHz can pull well over 200W in Small FFTs, even desktops have a hard time keeping that cool without custom water cooling.

 

9700k it is then. The real 8 cores keeps things going nicely.

 

The guys are doing some undervolting and further tests, then I'll post some pretty screenshots. Maybe some data in a few minutes - but as you can see how this thread has developed and why I previously didn't want to start posting results on here without full independant validation

 

Sure. Even not recommended run it overclocked (Gigabytes stated max overclock profile = stock clocks) See Gigabyte even call it overclock... Their max overclock profile 4.3GHz all cores... And due they put equal multi on all 6 cores down to 4.3GHz, the Cinebench single core benchmarks scores will be crippled as showed in previous posts.

Core i9-8950HK - Intel - WikiChip




And you talk about others ignorance? Oh'well

 

Danish is a bit of a special case to be fair.

 

I especially love how his "proof" shows the opposite of what he's trying to prove: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...aorus-x9-dt-v8-w-i9-8950hk-to-the-max.820711/

 

I think it's amazing how thinner cooling has come along but there will always be fundamental physics giving thicker machines an advantage.

 

Any updates?

 

imho thinner cooling solutions did get improved, however most of it's improvement not from the cooling solution aspect of it, more from the actual hardware its trying to cool becoming much more efficient.

 

Denser and hotter than it used to be.

 

denser and hotter, but efficiency is so great that overall thin cooling system will be cooler with newer hardware. if its not denser and hotter while efficiency also improved, then it'll be very cool.

 

Idle power has improved yes which makes it more livable on the desktop.

 

we gotta go 28 core laptop soon. while at it, make it 22inch, triple display and 3-4 inches thick no problem.

 

How much? When available?

I dont have any kids yet but you can have my first born no problem.

If its prema supported of course.

 

Test Schenker XMG Ultra 17 (i9-9900K, GTX 1080, UHD) Clevo P775TM1-G Laptop
https://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-...1080-UHD-Clevo-P775TM1-G-Laptop.346571.0.html

 

I think the required socket is bigger than most apple motherboards these days lol.

 

Update 10/30/18: As expected, the Control Center is guilty of GPU throttling. An update from version 5.001.1.72 to the graphically updated Control Center 2.0 (v1.0.34) makes the problem disappear. Thanks to the better performance, the XMG Ultra 17 now scores 88 instead of 86%, which results in a "very good" overall score.

@XMG I look on the energy consumption from the refresh in the NBC.com review... I see the model with i9-9900K use a lot lower power vs. the model with 8700 (293 vs. 331W). Do you have an explanation for this? Unfinished firmware? Temp limited (I don't think so)? Thanks

 

2 more cores and a higher tdp limit seems to explain that.

 

Doesn't explain it. Why restrict the <whole >power consumption on a more power hungry setup? The equal setup but with the weaker 8700 get more from the PSU (331w) in max load. I talk about the total power consumption.

 

Ah the other way, maybe they did not update it after the ccc update?

 

Most likely. They have still the text... "The energy measurements are not 100% comparable with the competition due to the occasional Throttling "

 

All I can see is my 8700k p775tm beating the 9900k version in gaming...

 

So basically the GTX 1080 thermal throttles, and the 9900K throttles down to base clock, in the P775.