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    P775DM3-G you can insert a heat sink EK-M.2 NVMe ?

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by Frank_84, Nov 23, 2017.

  1. Frank_84

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    Typically adding metal inside the chassis just increases the thermal mass as it blocks airflow. A thermal pad the casing is usually the best solution.
     
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    so I suggest just inserting a pad without a heat sink? would I have any temperature improvements?
     
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    If the pad touches another object like the casing yes.
     
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    Yes. You can.. to the M.2 port next to hard disk. I did that when I got my PM961 and post a picture tonight. Temp never gone above 63C when I did CDM benchmark.
     
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    Check the pictures below. You need to do slight change to backplate. (check 2nd pic)

    [​IMG]

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    great!! my model is a p775dm3 should go anyway
     
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    how did you cut it? with a pincer?
     
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    Used small plier. Slowly move the plastic piece using plier and it’ll go.
     
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    I'm in the same situation with my P775DM3-G. The folks at Obsidian PC put some thermal pads between the case and the Samsung 960 Pro, but it still heats up considerably when I'm not using a cooling pad, especially during extended write operations, such as downloading and installing a game on Steam.

    @bigspin I'm reticent to modify the case on a brand new laptop. I was thinking of buying the Alphacool HDX M01. I've read a comparative review, and while it's not as good as the EKWB, it's a bit lower profile and the plates are shorter, so I figure it should fit better. Have you tried this kit by any chance?

    https://www.alphacool.com/shop/neue-produkte/20838/alphacool-hdx-m.2-ssd-m01-80mm-schwarz
     
  12. woodzstack

    woodzstack Alezka Computers , Official Clevo reseller.

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    yeah i got those in stock too, going to start offering them, they look nice, my only concern is if they will fit every system or not. I suspect they will do fine in a desktop of course but maybe not every laptop.
     
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    No I never tested Alphacool. Btw you don’t need to do any serious modification. Just remove small plastic piece from backplate.
     
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    you probably will not have space even with alphacool .. it's too little space if you do not remove that piece of plastic .. the plate looks like aluminum but it's actually plastic so the thermal pads are useless on the body .. it's a bit of a grip around that made to you ..
     
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    If the cooler is the same as you linked it will fit in both the slots NVMe. I installed it before you open this 3d.
    I attach some pictures of the work.
    I putted the 960pro stick on the back of the bottom slice for leave the pads have the proper contact.
    The fan of the vga keep air also from the chassis , just because the lower plastic cover is putted on the fan with no contact. So , some hot air produced by the sink can be captured by the vga's fan that generally always spin at 30% of the max speed. I know that is not that amazing cooler solution , but better than nothing ;).
    20171016_161826.jpg 20171016_163321.jpg 20171016_163332.jpg 20171016_164413.jpg
     
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    Thanks for the photos! The slot next to the VGA is definitely easier to fit the heatsink in. Could you maybe show how you managed to fit it in the other M.2 slot?

    Aside from that, how difficult was it to remove the sticker? Did you have to heat it up beforehand?
     
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    In bot the slot they fit by the millimeter in the same way as you can see in the last photo.
    The heat sink must be installed on the NVMe exactly how you can see in picture. It have a sort of range of installation because it have 2 clip that press the 2 sides. You can place it some mm more close the contacts or far from it. And if you do that it will not fit . So you must install the sink it in the right place on the NVMe.
    I moved the sticker using a good cutter . Using it bended , slowly just for rise the corner , then I pulled slowly. The sticker is robust , so if you dont pull it too bad it will not brake.
    No heat before, just ambient temp.
    Im writing from Arch linux installed on the NVMe so it definitely work .
    28 Celsius ambient temp.
    # smartctl -A /dev/nvme0n1 | grep Temp
    Temperature: 39 Celsius
    Warning Comp. Temp. Threshold: 73 Celsius
    Critical Comp. Temp. Threshold: 76 Celsius
    [​IMG]

    Could be fine ;)
     
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    Thanks for all the info! It's very helpful.
     
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    Thanks for the info! installing the m.2 in the slot near the gpu have you noticed an improvement of the temp (perhaps for the nearby cooling fan) or a worsening compared to the other slot near the hard disk?

    are you sure that mounting it in the slot near the hard disks do not have to change the case, bigspin says otherwise?
     
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    I confirm that you have to cut that plastic part. It is useless, so is not absolutely a matter cut it . I always used the same good cutter for do the job. Before i cropped the vertical short line (passing more time on the same incision) , then passing always more time on the vertex of the long side.
    I admit that I didnt test the temps of the NVMe in the two slots . I supposed that the work was better than stock temp in any case. The sata hdds space is sure hotter than the vga one , because is all closed and nothing move the air. But here we are. The NVMe are there placed and we cant do nothing for move them. Also if there is not ventilation the more surface for exchanging the heat is a better thing than nothing. For a real cooling solution maybe we should open the case (cutting much more plastic) and force some air. But...is really necessary? I planing to insert just SSD in the sata slots. Probably I will not have temps problems. Some compromise need to be found.
    The real problem of this setup is the CPU also if I delidded it and placed the liquid-pro also between the heat sink and the IHS I cant pass the 4.7 Ghz without pass the 80celsius on prime with avx enabled.Obviously the pro and BIG heat sink for the desktop solution are for just cosmetics? NO.
    The 1070 is yet hot also if I re-pasted it. I cant image the 1080 with the new 8700K how many eggs can fry .
    Ok sorry the last period was OT.
     
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    in that slot doing a test with crystal disk mark which temp max reach? I currently in the slot near the hard drives reach 72 ° / 73 ° without heatsink!

    P.S. I have a 7700k delidded at 4.5 ghz and a gtx 1080, I used a thermal Conductonaut between cpu and his, and a thermal Kryonaut between his and sink, usually during any game not exceeding 78 ° C on the CPU and 75 ° C on gpu.

    As far as I know the new houses with 8700k have a system of clearing the worst GPU !!
     
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    So, I do the test with the latest version of Crystal Mark.
    The read test set the temp to 52 (from the start to the end was constant) while the write test ended to 60 (from the start to the end was constant).
    Of course the heat will take some time to going down because the absence of huge ventilation. BUT trying to ctrl+1 the fan at maximum speed it slow the heat of 1 Celsius every 10 sec. The stock 30% fan speed for the normal use is not enough for lower the temp in real time during hard workflow. As said before , better than nothing i guess. I could fantasize on some ultra slim fan to place somewhere... o_O

    ps: I suppose will you encounter the classic trotting. Of course you can notice it just with graphics or leaving the hardware-monitor open in front of you.
    Maybe the lucky is that prime95+avx is far more stressful that any game. So you can find some heat dissipation for the 1080. At the end we cant make disappear the heat without the appropriate instruments . The common situation of compromises. Those are good machines at the end and we can enjoy to use them.
    The new shrink dissipation for the 8700K cant avoid the generation of huge heat. That setup will suffer of trotting in any case, that's it.
    crystal960pro.png
     
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    just a word AMAZING !!

    Room temperature 20 °c

    first test: 960 pro in the slot with hard drives temp max 71°c

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    second test: 960 pro in the slot near gpu temp max 63°c

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    third test: 960 pro in the slot near gpu + EK heatsink temp max 48°c

    [​IMG]
     
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    Wow nice. Think might pick up that EKWB heatsink your using since such great result. In that slot next to gpu does it fit without any modifications to the chassis?
     
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    I recommend you buy this sink ek, with the measures we are at the limit ..

    enter the millimeter in that slot.
     
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    Samsung PM961 in the slot with hard drives temp max 65°c

    (This is the 2nd test result. First test done after cold boot and I let the card idle for 10min before 2nd test.)

    [​IMG]
     
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    Thanks for the input. I've actually settled on a different product I found, mainly because it's slightly shorter and not as tall as the EK heatsink, while still offering the same ridged design. Delivery is going to take a while, especially with the holidays coming up, but I will post an update once I have it installed.
     
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    The EK have also the back metal (with dedicated pad) coverture. Is a better product.
     
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    I agree that the EK has better heat dissipation with the metal backplate and thermal pad. However, on a single-sided SSD like the Samsung 960, I'm not sure it makes that much of a difference.
     
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    @giostark @bigspin @Frank_84 When you installed the SSD with heatsink in the slot next to the GPU, did you have to do anything so that the bottom plate and clips would not make contact with the motherboard?
     
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    Use electric Insulation Tape to cover the underside of the heatsink.
     
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    And we all know air is better thermal conductant then metal...NOT...or plastic casing WOW no wonder Clevo needed yers to figure so so cooling...
     
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    Hi, I have not applied anything between the motherboard and the sink ... there is enough space between the two
     
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    Will this fit the P670HP-G?
     
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    I do not know, on p751 and p775 yes
     
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    Thermal conductivity has no real relevance here. We are talking cooling capacity.

    Filling your computer with solid copper would not do much for cooling because it would block all the fans and vents.
     
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    Thermal conductivity has no REAL relevance "here"?
    Physics 101 :)
    Ok, that's just funny, to put it mildly :)
    I'm not saying it should do miracles, but it would do better then just putting thermal pads that will stick to plastic housing...
     
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    By the same logic putting copper ramsinks on your GPU cooler should do wonders ;)
     
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    I cant say why not?? I am already using them on p775tm1.

    There is alot of space between thos m.2 and the keyboard, hell you can even fit a fan to cool them!(if you can figure out way to power them!
     
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    My logic is based on physics, your "logic" is putting claims on my behalf I never stated...so that you can show yourself as "smart" "expert"... what a joke...
     
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    I really don't need to show you anything ;) increasing thermal mass vs actual cooling has been done to death on these forums already. There might be something to be said for increasing the time a drive can be quickly bursted as most users are not going to be hammering the drive in that way but then again most people won't be causing the drive to throttle in the first place.
     
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    Sry for the delay , i confirm that there is enough space even using the back-plate as reported also by others.