P775TM1 GTX 1080 Heat Issues

the computer has plenty of room to grow. if i find i need an additional ssd for my games i will get one. the firecuda is for crap like photos and movies and music

 

Hmm, slow 5,400 RPM mechanical vs. 7,200 RPM...so what do you think the actual MB/s difference is between the two?

8GB of SSD is no where near enough to be very helpful as an OS drive.

 

IME the biggest perceivable difference isn't sequential data transfer rate, it's latency or "snappiness" during usage. In games that stream from disk a lot there is less stuttering on 7200RPM.

 

Er, as said repeatedly, he is using the M.2 1TB SATA SSD for gaming.

Even if he stores some older games on the SSHD, should he ever decide to play them, he can move them to his 1TB SSD. Why would anyone want to play a game on a mechanical HDD when they have an SSD?

 

The fact that he bought an SSD is the reason why would not go for an SSHD for a secondary drive. What I'm saying is that in the longshot he'd benefit more from a faster overall transfer, than from fast access to cached data on a storage drive, where he's most likely going to dump data he does not use that often. I'd say that cached data will be most likely music.

And that's the moment he could youse some extra transfer speed.

 

Not true. I don't know how SSHD exacly operate but even large games load faster on a SSHD than a 7k RPM drive.

 

They do, but there's one condition - they have to be pre-cached. When they're not, they load just as fast as they do from an 5400 RPM HDD.

 

It's not like you start your games once and that's it.

 

I guess it is in this particular case. (-> 1 TB SSD)

 

PLEASE...read what @almostoast says...the SSHD is NOT for his games, it is for other storage, which will cache into his 8GB portion of the SSHD depending on what he opens from there most often.

Please get your head around the fact that he has an M.2 1TB SATA SSD, which will hold all the games he plays most often, and more. The SSHD is for STORAGE of other files.

 

No why?
If you have games you play frequently and don't have tons of money for SSD's then SSHD seems like a good solution. It seems to save all the small files which the HDD is searching for, not the big ones, which makes it much faster than a HDD but much slower than the SSD. It's good value, I don't see anything wrong with it.

@ Donald@HIDevolution
Depending on what he uses the drive for that wouldn't make much sense. If he for instance saves larges files such as movies or bigger projects, then it will be as fast/slow as a HDD 5400RPM. If he saves games on it or other proects that have many small files (which will get saved in the cache aka SSD), then he can get a much better near SSD experience.

 

Was that my answer to your post? Please, refer to #55.

YES, YES! That's my point. But he already has 1 TB SSD as his primary drive. This is why I'm saying that 7200 RPM would be better for a storage drive.

If I was going to buy FireCuda, it would've been because of its 5 yr warranty.

 

Ok, to specifically answer this question, how about if you answer the question I posed earlier. Can you please tell me what the read speed difference is between mechanical 5,400 RPM vs. 7,200 RPM? The fact is, compared to SSD they are both slow, and the difference is so tiny for data transfer, there is virtually no real world difference when used as a storage drive. The upgrade to the SSHD is only $54, and it will give him the benefit of much faster data transfer for the files that are cached there because those are the ones he opens most frequently...period!

 

What would you put on the SSHD that you open that often then? Music? Videos? Disk images or installation files?

 

I mean it really depends what he stores. That's all what I'm saying. If the guy stores other games, projects that work with small files such as a unity project etc. the SSHD will perform near SSD levels. If we talk movies, Music etc. yeah, the SSHD won't do much if anything at all.

but according to donald:
Only older games, and all of his storage, will go on his SSHD.

Which would benefit greatly for him. So in the end the SSHD was worth it over a regular HDD.

 

8GB/16GB is large enough to speed up a couple frequently run non-huge games, but if you play many different games there will be a lot more cache misses and the experience will be more or less the same, or slightly worse, than a plain 7200RPM HDD.

I've had experience with a few forms of HDD caching in the past such as the Momentus XT and ExpressCache. Best usage scenario was on an OS drive, where it performed almost like a real SSD in terms of boot time and general snappiness when navigating the OS. Which totally makes sense when you think about it. The small amount of NAND on a hybrid drive or caching SSD is barely faster in sequential performance than a high density mechanical disk. But since the most frequently read data on an OS drive are boot, appdata, and temp files, which are small and spread out non-sequentially on the disk, they can fit in cache and benefit greatly from the random read and access times of flash memory.

 

Why are you dodging this question?

"Ok, to specifically answer this question, how about if you answer the question I posed earlier. Can you please tell me what the read speed difference is between mechanical 5,400 RPM vs. 7,200 RPM?"

And, at the same time, ignoring this truth? "The fact is, compared to SSD they are both slow, and the difference is so tiny for data transfer, there is virtually no real world difference when used as a storage drive. The upgrade to the SSHD is only $54, and it will give him the benefit of much faster data transfer for the files that are cached there because those are the ones he opens most frequently...period!"

 

I get that, but there are games where smaller files get read a lot more than anything else. I mean the reason HDDs are so slow is not because of reading large files, but searching for the small annoying ones. The SSHD fixes that issue, same goes to files used in projects etc. The actual read and write is obviously just 5400RPM speeds, but then again the difference between 5k and 7k RPM is not that great.

 

Latency moreso than sequential in favor of 7200RPM. Depending on density, a 5400RPM/5900RPM can have higher sequential than a 7200RPM. (Only applicable to really high capacity desktop drives, 5400RPM 2.5" laptop drives are a joke).

 

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=WD10SPZX

Cannot find any Seagate tests, but results should be proportional. What I'm talking is saved time for moving files from HDD to SSD and vice versa. I haven't seen any recommandation for using SSHD as a storage drive. All I've found was about using it as a boot drive. "Upgrade to SSHD" from none or from HDD?

 

Those are 3.5" desktop drives...correct? The difference between the 2.5" laptop drives is smaller...about 10MB/s...and those are double the density of the 1TB drive being discussed here. Even so, they are both so slow that the difference in time to move a game from one of them to the 1TB SSD just won't matter.

I also have to ask...why are you focused on gaming, or data transfer of games, from the SSHD to the SSD? He has a 1TB M.2 SATA SSD which is where the games he plays most often will be. How often do you really think that he is going to be in a big hurry to move an old game from the SSHD to the SSD? How much real time difference can there be? Enough to give up the advantages of having the 8GB SSD portion on the FireCuda for his documents, spreadsheets and his other creative content that he uses most often. It is his own creative content that will most likely end up on most of the 8GB of SSD. It is unlikely that movies would end up there, or his pictures (except those that he might be opening frequently on a current basis), but you can fit a lot of music on 1GB, and he would have to play all of them very frequently to even fill up that much storage on the 8GB SSD. The difference in load time and performance of movies, or opening and saving pictures, between 5,400 RPM and 7,200 RPM will not be discernible.

Remember the software is on the 1TB M.2 SATA SSD, so any time a file is opened, that is where it opens and where the work gets done.

So there you have it. Your first recommendation (actually your 2nd given the comments from @Danishblunt) of an SSHD for a storage drive, with a pretty detailed explanation from a guy who has been in the high performance laptop business for about 20 years. Danishblunt is no slouch in this arena either.

 

annoying the living hell out my coworkers is my job. Nothing to do with laptop acoustics.

 

This is why I've said that the difference should be proportional, not the same.

I've just assumed that storage will be used for storing files that don't require high random read speeds (movies, music, photos etc.). If we speak documents and projects it actually makes more sense, but then again I've assumed those would be on SSD. Anyway, we're talking marginal gains here compared to overall performance. I'm sure @almostoast will be happy from his new purchase.

 

As the guy mentioned, its going to be full with small games and such. So it will help. But we are all on the same page, if it's storing actual music, video or other files with a significant single size, then a SSHD is utterly pointless. Lucky for us it's not the case

 

@Danishblunt I'm downloading withcher 3 just so you know

 

... and?

 

and I repeat ... And ?

 

and you take some things to seriously making more pointless posts out of pointless posts. happy?

 

It's down to your user pattern and if it matches well with the caching algorithm, normally for bulk storage a simply faster in most cases 7200rpm is going to serve you better but they are noisier and hotter.

As a game drive then it may be worth it, I popped an SSHD in my xbox one S it made a small difference for example.

 

... under the influence maybe?

Some of us are still waiting on almostoast to let us know once he installs and runs those games on his brand new P870TM1.

 

i start to think he reaslized how garbage it is and gave it back.

 

F me. I've just realised your "and" was an expectation for results, not "who-cares" - "and". Sorry.

 

Yes, I am sorry too, it never occurred to me that my "and" could be misconstrued

 

Hello guys,
I need a VBIOS backup for a gtx1080 in a clevo P775tm1

thanks for the help.