P870DM3 - 4k or 1080p LCD enquiry

I find myself in a situation where my order (with PCSpecialist.co.uk) for a P870DM3 has been stuck in pre-production for over two weeks because they are out of 4k panels and there is no confirmation on when new stock can be expected.

They also confirmed that modifying to the 1080p panel would allow the production to progress forward as these are available. Honestly, I just opted for the 4k panel because it was being offered for a relatively low price difference than other local competitors. The price difference between the 4k and 1080p panels being £99 in this case.

Would it be advisable to wait a bit longer for some kind of update on the 4K panels or is the 1080p panel a likely better choice? I ask this because I've heard various anecdotes praising the broader quality and resilience of the 1080p screen (in terms of refresh rate overclocking, etc.) in comparison to some of the inherent limitations of the 4K panel. Again, any insights -- and even advice -- on this matter would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

 

Displays 4k in UK maybe available in next 3-4 weeks, maybe. In Germany we have on stock

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I can't see why you would want the 4K panel in the first place. The 1080p panel should be 120Hz; I'd take it in a heartbeat if gaming was what you desired with the machine.

Be wary you're pretty much asking opinion here.

 

But isn't, is normally 75hz display. European Distributors dont ordered 120hz, because is without g-sync

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Thanks for that information!

Edit: And the added clarification on the refresh rate.

Yes, it is a matter of personal opinion to quite a degree. As for your answer, I'm not really one who tends to push things into the 120Hz region, but having such an option is always a plus. Of course, according to the reseller's website, the 1080p panel is also 60Hz, so, the situation is a bit less straight forward. Until and unless you are talking about the potential for LCD overclocking, in which case, I'd certainly like to hear more about such potential in a 1080p panel versus a 4k panel.

I also get the impression that -- assuming for the sake of argument that all else is equal -- a 4k panel might be slightly pointless on a relatively small 17 inch screen. Would you agree?

 

Yes, is really pretty small - we have installed few pieces in last week and i must said - im in shock - so small - but quality the best from the best which i saw in Clevo Notebooks

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I am curious about something. When it comes to 4k, are you guys offering the panel model AUO B173ZAN01.1?

 

Available by Factory is only this one - AUO B173ZAN01.0 uhd 4k auo 60hz with g-sync

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Thanks for your response.

Am I correct in assuming that the '.1' in the AUO B173ZAN01.1 is a possible typo? Otherwise, is there a difference between the two panels?

 

I check this exactly and i let you know in next 2-3 hours.

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Once you try it, you won't go back. You can ask @Mr. Fox; I legitimately considered the P870DM a "sidegrade" to this system of mine PURELY based on the point that I could not have 120Hz internally, and that I would have to rely on overclocking a sub-par 25ms response time panel (IPS or not).

Find out from them. If the question is 1080p 60Hz, then I suggest you find a different reseller and get 1080p 120Hz. I'm going to be that brutal about it =D.

4K on small screens is somewhat of a pointless endeavour, yes. Now, I've used DSR for 4K before. I've been able to deal with reading the text and whatnot, but I have very good eyes. I still wouldn't consider it a basic use scenario unless I realllly needed the screen real estate for productivity. Unless you really know you want/need it, I would say you'd do better to not get it.

Again however this is my opinion.

 

Here we go, direct from display

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Sure. It's not that I'm not familiar with 120Hz and while I'm not nearly as focused on reaping its benefits as you are, I do find it a nice option to have. Nevertheless, I just don't have such alternative options here in the U.K., and given the state of V.A.T. and other sporadic import hassles, I just can't see myself importing from the ideal sellers. Unfortunately, this also means that the whole 'Go Prema' package options are also quite limited (and by that, I mean virtually non-existent, save for one Polish retailer, which doesn't seem likely at the moment) on this end, otherwise I'd be in quite a different position. As such, I have what I have on offer and the seller lists the panel as 60Hz. I suspect they themselves might not have the correct listing.

Thanks much for your worthwhile input on this matter, it is definitely appreciated. I tend to agree with you on 4K being somewhat pointless. I have tried the D.S.R. approach and while I can handle it, I think it's rather frivolous on a relatively small screen.

I see, thanks for that, again. Does anyone have any idea on version 1.1, or is that a mistake? The online support staff don't appear to know much about this screen and insist that it is 1.1, which doesn't unearth any results (yet 1.0 does). I get the impression that it is a typo in the listing, or I could be wrong.

 

In factory specification i dont see model 1.1 probably this is mistake

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What about mySN.co.uk? Or Scan laptops UK? I believe their 3XS models are the Clevo rebrands. Also, I think there's a place called Vortex PC somewhere around there.

 

10x fire strike ultra on p870dm3-g uhd 2x1080



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With respect, neither of these two comments are accurate. 4K is stocked by some companies, you just need to know where to look - for example we have it in stock for UK and Germany and everywhere that the .de site sells to Also the reasoning for "some" direct Clevo customers to not purchase the 120Hz panel could be because it doesn't support G-Sync, but there are several other reasons based around stock deliveries, panel availability, future hardware options which haven't been released yet etc etc. I can't go into any more details unfortunately because it would only really make sense to companies who purchase direct from Clevo.

 

Thanks, but Scan's 3XS does not offer what is required in terms of wider LCD and Prema Bios options, while mySN.co.uk is going to cost much more for the same specification in comparison to what I am getting right now through PCSpecialist. There are certainly a few rebrand offerings on the market here, but what they offer doesn't always cover what we've discussed. Currently, I've had to pick more out of difference in pricing and warranty options.

Anyway, I have modified the order and opted for the 1080p screen, and the difference has been refunded.

 

Just a note, while yes a 4K screen will need scaling, 1080 sli can certainly play games at 4K, and they'll look way way crisper. That's the difference no one seemed to talk about. The 4K display for daily usage would definitely need scaling. I think you'll be happy with the high refresh rate 1080p screen though, I just wanted to show what the point of a 4K screen is since everyone seemed to gloss over that.

 

There shouldn't be too much of a price difference, but we do have a better warranty as standard and other benefits such as guaranteed 48h RMA and so on.

The issue with Prema BIOS is that companies like us and some of the others mentioned in this thread are direct Clevo customers, as a result of this it would be very detrimental to our relationships with Clevo if we offer hacked versions of the Clevo BIOS. I'm not taking anything at all away from Prema and I like to think that we still have a friendly relationship with him, but a reseller will always have more flexability in these kind of areas than a direct Clevo customer purely because we have to take different considerations into account.

 

I always find it funny that some of the most powerful machines anywhere have pretty crippled bioses. Where do Eurocom and HID get their Clevos from?

 

To be fair and no disrespect but there is normally a substantial price difference between PC Specialist and MYSN.co.uk for a like for like configured laptop.

PC Specialist (17.3" Octane III) = £1840 vs MYSN (XMG U717) = £1976 (both 1070)
PC Specialist (17.3" Vortex VI) = £3087 vs MYSN (XMG U727) = £3581 (both 1080 SLI)

(Note, I may have not configured the same wireless cards in each model, but you get my point)

And that is with PC Specialists 1 year dead pixel guarantee and Gold warranty included ("2 year Collect & Return, 2 Year Parts, 3 Years Labour) compared to MYSN standard warranty (24 month Collect & Return (inc parts, labour, support, shipping).

PC Specialist offer free delivery, MYSN add £12.

A bit of a price difference for your excellent support when the laptop goes wrong.

 

In my case, the difference -- for an almost perfectly-matched specification, with the added dead pixel guarantee -- was just a few quid short of £800 when it came to the P870DM3 with the 4K panel. Without said panel, the difference narrowed down to around £600 since PC Specialist are offering the 4K panel for a rather austere £99-129. I also have some experience with PC Specialist and they've been good enough when it comes collection with parts and labour support on their warranties. These factors certainly did make the choice rather straight forward.

 

Note that 99-129 is what the panel should cost. Everyone in the U.S. charges around $100-$125 dollars for the panel upgrade, I've never even seen higher.

 

Yeah, it's a real shame that we don't have that with plenty of sellers in the European Union area where the disparity in price between the standard 1080p and the 4K panel sits at the £200-300 mark.

As an example, here is Scan's (3XS) rendition of the P870DM3 ( https://www.scan.co.uk/3xs/configurator/17in-sli-gaming-laptop-970m-980m-gsync-skylake).

One can also look at the MySN.co.uk offering and find a similar difference with the trend continuing with other European sellers.

In this regard, PC Specialist are indeed an exception, and they market themselves as such.

 

We unlocked some of the basic functionality that should help most people get most out of the machine.

 

Any details on that? What you guys changed from stock?

 

We simply had some of the functions for memory speed and latencies. CPU frequency, voltage offset and power limits. It means you have a fair amount of control even if you want to avoid XTU.