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    Petition for Clevo to give TurboBoost and OCing to the D900F

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by Mutant_Tractor, Dec 5, 2009.

  1. Mutant_Tractor

    Mutant_Tractor Notebook Evangelist

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    This is a petition to demand that a BIOS be released from Sager/Clevo/Reseller that will enable TurboBoost for those of us that have bought an Intel i7 Extreme processor at a premium being led to believe that we could utilise their overclocking abilities

    Even Dell, who we all know hate customer modifications, allow overclocking of the processor in their more high end laptops (Alienwares and XPS M1730's), I think that as this laptop is seen as THE most high end you can go that user overclocking is disabled! After spending close to $4000 dollars for a laptop i expect to be able to utilise the hardware i configure it to its fullest potential,

    Those of you who believe that Clevo should release a BIOS enabling TurboBoost and a form of overclocking post in this thread to show your support!

    After this experience i highly doubt i will buy Clevo again if this isnt resolved.
     
  2. BrandonSi

    BrandonSi Notebook Savant

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    Apologies, I should've read the recent D900F posts before replying. Consider your petition signed. :)
     
  3. Mutant_Tractor

    Mutant_Tractor Notebook Evangelist

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    Thanks man,
    Gophns BIOS was beta and modded :)
     
  4. The_Observer

    The_Observer 9262 is the best:)

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    Can u get the BIOS from Gophn to add the features?

    I sign it too!
     
  5. Soviet Sunrise

    Soviet Sunrise Notebook Prophet

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    I petition against this. You cry babies need to research before you buy.
     
  6. CitizenPanda

    CitizenPanda Notebook Deity NBR Reviewer

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    Turboboost is useless as you have a desktop chip. Most people who use desktop i7s actually disable them.

    Overclocking i7s are a completely different matter than the Core 2s.

    There are no laptops, Dell or Alienware or whatever, that has BIOS OCing support for i7s, regardless of whether they are laptop chips or desktop chips.

    If Clevo comes out with i7 BIOS Overclocking, they will be pioneer in this matter, and you have nothing to complain about. You could also find where you were mislead into believing your computer could OC via BIOS and send your computer back. If not, better do some better research next time.
     
  7. BrandonSi

    BrandonSi Notebook Savant

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    We've seen Clevo bioses with OC support. It appears as if they've now begun removing that feature, but it was there initially, and so it can be again. I don't think there's any technical reason you can't overclock an i7, it just may not be safe as they initially thought.
     
  8. Mutant_Tractor

    Mutant_Tractor Notebook Evangelist

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    I agree with BrandonSi,
    People who OC CPUs and indeed any hardware do so at their own risk, so i dont see why, if it is at the users own risk why it cant be added.
     
  9. 5482741

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    I petition for overclocking support for the D900F, and any other Clevo laptop that can use extreme processors. The M860ETU comes to mind.
     
  10. ronaldheld

    ronaldheld Notebook Deity

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    I agree that Clevo should support this option, given that the user accepts the risks involve.
     
  11. Noctilum

    Noctilum Notebook Evangelist

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    I will sign the petition that it should be made available, however, if you bought the notebook and found you are not going to get the option, I would have taken advantage of the 30-day money back gaurantee.
     
  12. Gophn

    Gophn NBR Resident Assistant

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    This petition thread hsould have been made months ago, but better late than never.

    I think the TurboBoost should be the minimum addition.

    I have to note (like in my Ultra-detailed review) that the system is quite hot with the LGA1336 Core i7's (130w) processors.

    I think the OC'ing would be more viable when the Core i7's get the die-shrink.... or if you are using the Xeon equivalents (X3xxx) which actually have a 95w TDP. But the Xeon's are quite more expensive at the moment.
     
  13. VeEuzUKY

    VeEuzUKY Notebook Consultant

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    I positively don't believe Clevo will give us the time of day here with this petition, but hey, without any second thoughts, MOST ABSOLUTELY I also sign up to petition for TurboBoost and overclocking support for the D900F. I want to be proven wrong this thread is a waste of time.

    I am actually going to Taipei in 2 weeks on work.. if I spoke Taiwanese and/or knew someone there, I do go knock on their door directly and raise some hell :) That would for sure catch their attention :)
     
  14. The_Moo™

    The_Moo™ Here we go again.....

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    like I stated before , the BIOS's you saw were test BIOS's for people doing inital testing for Clevo and Sager *ie like kaltmond. They are just for resellers to have and test.

    Those BIOS have not and will not be released to the public as they offer WAY to much control over the notebook and cause headaches usually for the company. I know the M17x BIOS has caused MANY thread to be created because people thought they could just set ANY CPU's FSB to 1333 and expect it to run.

    I do agree however that some form of overclocking be available to ANY computer, but i think it should be in the form of a BIOS people have to pass a test to obtain ;).

    I can see where Sager and Clevo are coming from, the i7's have a 130W TDP i know the cooling system does a very good job of cooling it all the time. But what happens when somebody who has no idea overclocks it and then never cleans or monitors it ? The amount of people who buy laptops and never know what they have is alot more then people expect. Even for these laptops that not many people know about, all they know is faster = better not faster = more heat. They are just being VERY conservative ... and i don't blame them, but i do think the smarter and more responsible people should be allowed access
     
  15. VeEuzUKY

    VeEuzUKY Notebook Consultant

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    Id rather exploit (and take full responsability) to make my hardware run faster and with full advantage of all its hardware capabilities, than sitting back and playing it safe!

    If I want to play it safe, I can go to Walmart or Staples and buy a sub $500 laptop. But if I pay top dollar for an enthusiast piece of hardware, then I think I deserve the tools to really get enthusiastic about, or at least, die trying.

    What is Clevo worried about? That we fry the hardware? if we do, most likely we'll go buy another Clevo laptop anyway. BUSINESS!
     
  16. The_Moo™

    The_Moo™ Here we go again.....

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    what part of my post didn't you read ?

    by the looks of it probably this part
     
  17. VeEuzUKY

    VeEuzUKY Notebook Consultant

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    Right, we all agree I guess.. excpet Clevo that is. Lets hope they join us then :) I know for sure they have an endless amount of beta BIOSes with all sorts of stuff they could let us try. We can sign up for them by giving them the serial number of our machine so if our laptop shows up fried we and they know we cannot claim warranties. So easy for example, If that's what it takes. And WHEN will a manufacturer release a REAL BIOS for a laptop like we have on desktop motherboards? Also, so easy. Thats really what I would like.
     
  18. Gophn

    Gophn NBR Resident Assistant

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    calm down people.

    this is a petition... no need to make it too personal.

    lets keep things calm and collected... as well as respect others opinions.
     
  19. The_Moo™

    The_Moo™ Here we go again.....

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    Joe Blow the guy who just fried his laptop because he had no idea what he was doing when he was pushing 4 ghz and running on his bed would be very very mad and do 1 of 2 things

    1. Get mad and demand his reseller fix it , they would have no way of know he overclocked due to the mobo being fried. This would cost resellers alot of money which would put pressure on Clevo to take it out.

    2 Think Clevo laptops are a piece of crap.


    The door swings both ways and face it people who want the humungus amount of control on the hardware in a laptop are very slim. The ODM's know people want it but to save time and money they cut it out. It always comes down to money.
     
  20. The_Moo™

    The_Moo™ Here we go again.....

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    what happens when your GPU dies? Or your nice wifi card ?

    the closest thing to a desktop mobo type control is the M17x. It offers RAM and FSB and Multiplier settings for ALL CPU's ( multipliers only for extreme)









    sorry about the double post server was stupid and posted it again instead of editing it and now i cannot delete it :( :mad2:
     
  21. Judicator

    Judicator Judged and found wanting.

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    Just for the record, I think the BIOS BrandonSi was talking about was the W870CU one that let you add 1-4 bins to a 920XM, not one for the D900F, which was released to the public, and has now apparently vanished from the latest W870CU shipments. Those were, in fact, apparently released to the public... at least initally.
     
  22. The_Moo™

    The_Moo™ Here we go again.....

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    i do know that ;)

    me and him argued about OC'ing BIOS's and stuff. I am just refering to ALL other BIOS's so nobody gets confused. But i guess that idea failed :eek:
     
  23. BrandonSi

    BrandonSi Notebook Savant

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    Moo, we don't argue.. We discuss with passion. ;) No matter how much I may disagree with what you say, I promise to never turn you into a nice t-bone or porterhouse.. :D
     
  24. HeavenCry

    HeavenCry Notebook Virtuoso

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    Id also very much like to see more options in the bios - at least the ability to overcklock the extreme versions via multiplier if not the qpi..
    Would be nice once the 6-core comes out and i plan to get it and abuse it as much as i can ^^!
     
  25. Aikimox

    Aikimox Weihenstephaner!

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    Be careful guys, your wish may come true...
    BTW a stupid question: Since when i7 975 become a bottleneck? It's like TurboBoosting a Lamborgini and driving it in Downtown area only. :cool:
     
  26. Mutant_Tractor

    Mutant_Tractor Notebook Evangelist

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    You can turbo a ferrari and never use it, its the fact that you've done it ;)
     
  27. mimarsinan

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    I would like to voice my support for this petition.

    I would also like to express my thanks to Eurocom. They have provided me with a BIOS that provides working TurboBoost support. They were also kind enough to identify one of the rogue XP drivers on the system that kept consuming 50% of one CPU core (on the 3.33GHz model). This level of support is, in a single word, great!

    Eurocom lets you install 4 hard drives on these units instead of 3 also, so that's amazing because you can have 4xRAID0 (instead of 3). Makes for amazing performance.

    Thanks, Eurocom! Your support for what everybody else chooses to ignore with defamations like "dead OS" and your integrity in providing a working TurboBoost BIOS is much appreciated.
     
  28. Mutant_Tractor

    Mutant_Tractor Notebook Evangelist

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    Got it too from Eurocom, although mine is Beta :(
    V.04E
     
  29. mimarsinan

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    I'll keep hoping that we'll have official BIOS-based overclocking for our D900F's equipped with the Extreme processors. 3.86 GHz isn't too bad, is it? A nice reminder of the i386DX days :D
     
  30. mimarsinan

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    Also, for what its worth, at least we've got TurboBoost working now :) I have the same BIOS that you do (04E) and it works very well (except for lack of support for e/leet tool).

    Thanks again, Eurocom.
     
  31. The_Moo™

    The_Moo™ Here we go again.....

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    I will put money down you will never see the day with bios based overclocking

    Would be nice ... Just being realistic
     
  32. Mutant_Tractor

    Mutant_Tractor Notebook Evangelist

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    Anyone know how to max out the Clevo D900F fans?
     
  33. akaltenbach

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    This isnt worth it. You already have a extremly hot cpu, overclocking it is just begging for trouble. I am another person against this and think people need to do there research before grabbing that brand new 3-5000 dollar laptop.
     
  34. mimarsinan

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    Yep, Fn+1 on the laptop keyboard does it for the turbo-fans. (Fn plus the number 1, not F1)

    To turn off, repeat the key sequence.
     
  35. mimarsinan

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    @all naysayers: thanks for sharing your concerns with us publicly on how we're really poor at doing our pre-purchase research, and how greedy we are with our overclocking needs - but in case its not obvious from the thread title, this is a discussion for people who actually have an interest in overclocking the system for whatever reason :) So I'm sure all other wanna-be overclockers here would appreciate it if further posts were actually on topic. Thank you :)
     
  36. mmoerbe

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    Can you add m860tu overclocking to the petition. :D
     
  37. Mutant_Tractor

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    Thanks for the Fn+1 thing :)
    I was trying F1 and i was like?
    Ill have to agree with mimarsinan, but i dont believe we are poor at doing pre-purchase research, i researched all the components and this came out on top as its the only i7 laptop (would have gone for the NP950 but i dont like the fact it is only a laptop CPU and 18.4")
    But as Gophn has said, can we keep this as a petition thread only, if you want to flame make a new thread :)
     
  38. moral hazard

    moral hazard Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    I will not buy a D900F unless they give me BIOS overclocking.
     
  39. Mutant_Tractor

    Mutant_Tractor Notebook Evangelist

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    Haha thats the stuff!
    I highly doubt ill buy clevo again though, i realise its my fault for expecting overclocking, even my old dell did that o_O
     
  40. enanthate

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    I also sign!
     
  41. The_Moo™

    The_Moo™ Here we go again.....

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    your old dell laptop had overclocking?


    Either way it didnt have a 130W TDP in a laptop ;)
     
  42. Mutant_Tractor

    Mutant_Tractor Notebook Evangelist

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    Well m1730 allowed me to OC from 2.8 up to 3.4GHz :)
     
  43. The_Moo™

    The_Moo™ Here we go again.....

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    Yea Dell let the x7900 and x9000 oc

    I thought you meant a inspiron or something lol


    My vote is for the unlock of systems that the custer paid for. It's only right they should
     
  44. Mutant_Tractor

    Mutant_Tractor Notebook Evangelist

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    We need more signatories than this guys, keep it up we'll get our BIOS yet.
     
  45. Umberto V.

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    Heck, I'll sign this petition even though i don't own a D900F (but i feel your pain)!!!
     
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    Clevos cooling is easily 2x of not 3x as good as any "Ultra-Slim" laptop this warrants a revamp of the BIOS surely
     
  48. VeEuzUKY

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    Clevo's cooling is EXPONENTIALLY better than any "Ultra-Slim" laptop though of course the i7s run also much hotter than core duo mobiles. Either way, the room for overclocking is immense and the 900F will be able to handle the heat like a "breeze" :)
     
  49. Mutant_Tractor

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    Especially when you add in a 4th fan ;)
    I wonder.... 80mm Vantec Tornado anyone? haha
     
  50. Mutant_Tractor

    Mutant_Tractor Notebook Evangelist

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    @ Mods please lock this thread as the other covers this and is better equipped. :D
     
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