Pic of GTX 480M + 3DM06 Test

The real card how it looks like and 2 tests. Bench updated!





Overall:









USB 3.0 Bench:

 

Well, it's unigine though, and it's said that ATI don't use their stream processors for tessellation to free up for other stuff, so I would rather see a dx11 game benchmark that will prove more.

The 06 bench is very close to 5870CF though, I would expect it to perform even better in vantage.

 

You can't rely on AW benches yet. Looks like Dell messed up (again)

 

Nice.... ....

 

wow, i want that little barbecue grill

 

The bench is a bit weird though, how could a 480M with 920XM be faster than a 480M with 980X in unigine, unless the settings are different.

 

I always take these early benches etc with a grain of salt but either way it looks good so far ....

Thanks Kaltmond ....

Looks like it will beat up on the 5870 pretty good and it darn well better $$$....

 

I think by the 15th of June we should have a real good idea about what this card can do. I am optimistic indeed!

 

Yeah, the settings are almost certainly different.

 

If the benches are true though, almost 100% performance difference on unigine for the first benchmark is really 0.o, in fact, even the vantage 06 bench is above my expectation, since the new fermi is more on tessellation than pixel fill which is more important for older benchmarks like 06, I expected it to be around the same as 5870MR, but it being even higher in 06 would be rather amazing if true.

 

so far so good, thanks to the 352 shaders.

 

i wonder what drivers did they used on this, most likely beta drivers like on the desktop version.

 

Dammit Monster! I was still happily settling in with my 8760 and now temptation is about to raise her pretty head.

 

lol Same here. With Joker's review of the 5870's and now seeing these preliminary benches I'm feeling the temptation now as well.

 

Look forward to learning more. The dreamers and speculators will get crazy before this is over.

 

Let's face it, while MR 5870's definitely polished up than 4850, doesn't change the fact the latter was announced earlier last year, and that's a long time in tech. Since then, AMD has squeezed more juice out of the platform with 5870 MR, with far higher core - even so the underlying hardware, e.g. shader count has not increased, and IMO the DirectX 11 support is stuck onto what 10.1 card; before MR 5870 came to light, there were hopes for it to have similar h/w as desktop 5850 - that never materialised, and ppl reacted far more positively than I'd have expected.

with more tessellation oriented design, 480M probably would out do MR 5870 with even larger margins in DX11. You can't really deny that, 480M is built on a far more promising platform, whole 352 shaders - when they do improve efficiency, and shrink it smaller, they could squeeze more performance. MR 5870's already pushed towards the limit in that sense; it's core still larger OC margin granted, but that's about all the performance they could get - nV just stands to gain more. The price difference backs MR up the fact 5870's aging.

Though that said, we are yet to see real game performance, despite the fact of nV's arguable theoretical supermancy, and that we won't see AMD's answer until Q4 (or later), the huge price premium does prevents nV from potentially captialising on AMD's timing.

 

Those were my first thoughts as well... also it is a bit strange how CPU dependent the tests are (10fps difference from the 920XM to the 620M with the same card is huge).

Most games today are designed for consoles and are then ported to PCs and this will continue for the next 2-3 years. Which means most of the games that will come out will actually be DX9 not DX11.

 

But dx11 will still be more important, since almost all console ported games currently running dx9 could be ran at more than 60FPS easily with just 5870MR, it's the new dx11 games that will be taxing and require more power. Even the new WoW expansion is going to use dx11.

 

That card's power does not even compare to the 5870. Even if it consumes more power, i would buy it

 

Not true. Cataclysm is not DX11. Blizzard can't/won't do that because it would kill their player base. So many of the systems that play WoW still don't even support DX10, let alone DX11.

 

Well, from the beta screenshot I can see some tessellation effects though.

Well, not pure dx11 of course, but most likely like most dx11 games nowadays, supports dx9 to dx11, you get more eye candy with dx 11, but still playable with dx9.

 

The only graphic changes coming with Cat are the new water effects and some very minor improvements to some lighting/shadows. I'm currently participating in F & F Alpa, and it's still fully dx9. I can't disclose anything else due to the NDA, obviously.

On topic: If these benches are true, then the 480m performs quite well. I wish Clevo or someone that uses their platforms(sager) would implement an option for a backlit keyboard. I would go d900f and never look back.

 

Yeah I wish and hope for a back lit keyboard as well. It's about time Clevo started implementing this into their laptops. Would love to see RGB LED implemented as well.

 

Probably CPU dependent because the card is so powerful the bottleneck became the CPU.

As for why 980X is performing worse in unigine, my suspicion is that the beta driver doesn't work too well on X58 platform with mobile GPU.

 

Or that. :wink:

 

I rather doubt that Unigine Heaven would exhibit CPU dependency. Look at the graph here (admittedly that's the 1.0 version, but nonetheless Heaven is very much a GPU-heavy benchmark.

The resolution being low doesn't explain it either, because even a 2.7GHz Core 2 Duo is clearly easily capable of 70 FPS - i.e. the 2.7GHz C2D is powerful enough not to bottleneck a pair of desktop HD 5870s in CrossFireX. If we were talking about figures like 100FPS vs 110FPS, I could believe CPU dependency as an explanation, but with 31.8FPS for the i7-620M vs 43.7FPS for the i7-920XM something strange is definitely going on there.

Nonetheless, the GTX 480M having such a big lead over the Mobility Radeon HD 5870 in Heaven isn't surprising at all. This is what it looks like for the the desktop GTX 480 vs the HD 5870, and I've said before that these two matchups would be similar. Basically, when you enable the "extreme" tesselation mode in Heaven, the performance is bottlenecked almost entirely by tesselation, and Nvidia's architecture can do it much better than ATI's. However, with lower tesselation settings the situation looks like this.

 

Benchmarks are nice but until I see some real game benchmarks I won't be making any decisions. This is where Nvidia are likely to win though, I was amased how much difference Nvidia optimisation and better Driver support could make with game performance.

If this card idles at 70C, all the great benchmarks in the world wouldn't make a difference though.

 

Looks like they put some thinking into cooling. This card has a full copper cage. However, temp will still be something like 87 - 90°C under load - probably 60°C idle.

 

Check out the new benches and temperatures for the mobility 5870s. They reached 95 Celsius in Joker's M17x-R2. LINK

+1 kaltmond, neat stuff. I can't wait for more benches!

 

Wow, it actually is more powerful than the 5870 by a decent margin. I expected a bit more for how late this was released as compared to the 5870, but whatever.

Now I'm waiting for nVidias lower end cards to support DX11 and see how that compares to ATI's lower end cards.

 

good numbers, I like!!

 

Kaltmond, can you dig up a 3DMark Vantage score?

 

I guess that would be bad if it were a single card, but dual card cooling just isn't going to be as good even in a 17" laprop. My 5870MR single card never even comes close to 90C, even running FURMARK Hotter than hell edition with it in max burn mode my card never got hotter than 85C. The memory IO registered 84.7C and the core IO registered about 81-82C.

In relation to the 480M, the only problem I can see is that we don't know what the temps were like and if that is going to limit the 480M to a 18"+ laptop chassis due to the cooling needed. if that is the case it is very limiting and that means that for us that want a 15" laptop we are going to be stuck with a lesser Nvidia solution if we want to go that route.

 

Mav,

Sager already has the NP9285 on their web site. It is the D900F with a 480M GTX in it.

So it will more than likely, be supported in 15" laptops.

 

Sorry, but I don't get your logic here. You are saying that a GTX 480M will fit into a 17 inch machine, that allready is bulkier than most, and with a huge cooling system in it allready - as a sign that 15 inch laptops can fit it?

 

Cooling aside, nothing matters, except whether Clevo releases a BIOS update.

 

Holy smokes test are somewhat in.

 

Was referring to the already KNOWN 15" products which support a 280M GTX currently.

 

They are not the same. It wasn't until they shrink the die even farther to get it in. The earlier ones could only fit gtx 260m. Even now only few laptop like clevo could get it to fit with cooling solved.

 

I just want to see ATI's next video card. The 5870 was released quite some time ago. Fermi hasn't even been released yet so you can't really compare the two. Nvidia had a lot of time to work on this. It's been delayed numerous times.

 

wow ... so the only thing left is the bios ... and the card ... and we are set to go ...

 

The 5870 is like 2 or 3 months old.

 

6 months.

ATI still quiet about new cards

Last year's "kicker" cards, the Mobility HD4830 and HD4860, were announced March 2009, 3 months after the launch of the Mobility 4000 series in January 2009.

 

wondering if anyone will do a youtube vid to show how you can replace your D900F GTX 280M to the new GTX 480M ...





Moo where are you ???

 

I was really looking forward to, and had great hopes for, the Mobility 4860. Too bad it was just a paper launch.

It would've been the perfect card to include in the M860TU refresh.

 

I'm pretty sure the 5870 wasn't out in January.

 

My guess would be working triple shifts at Subways trying to earn enough for an x7200.

I wanted them Crossfired in the Whitebook/M17. Damn TSMC.

A new Mobility 5000 card launched now would likely end up in the same vaporware pile since it would take too long to get to market.

 

5870MR was only "real" in march.

 

Launched January 7, 2010 at CES.

Fine and a new card launched now wouldn't be "real" for at least 3 more months still making the Mob HD5870 6 months old.

 

wow ... does subway pays that well ???

he did say that he was a chef at subways ...

I am happy I got a D900F ... which is good to go with them up and coming GFX card ... hopefully for another year or two ...