Pic of GTX 480M + 3DM06 Test

Cross your fingers that it works at least at decent enough temps to do the benches...

 

well theres more benchmarks that say the same thing....its slightly faster, with more heat and more $. It better OC like mad, if not the 5870 is still the better choice imo, or tenelation better become a very big deal now.

 

What use is tesellation if you cant play with it turned on since the gpu cant provide a fluent fps rate?

 

none that im aware of. Maybe its saving grace is it will scale very well in SLI, if you have 5k sitting around.

 

Let's try to keep this thread on the original topic. I don't like to delete posts, but sometimes I have to.

 

Now, back to being on topic. I'm guessing this card wont make into any of the 15 inch notebooks? And i really hope this more power consumption wont be a trend in notebooks, i think smaller, more portable = better, thats why we have notebooks, thats why i have a 7-8 pound 15.6 i cant take anywhere, bigger powerbricks, thicker chassis begin used to try and get a foot up is lame imo, it works in desktops but not here. I think ATI is doing it right, and as a side note its nice to see ati releasing regular drivers once again for its mobile market.

 

I expect the W860 to be refreshed with the GTX 470M, with no mods necessary.

Also, I will bet money, that the next highest-end GPU from ATI is north of 75W. Now that Nvidia has raised the ceiling, and machines from Clevo and Alienware are being designed to compensate, ATI would be foolish to not take advantage of the headroom.

I think the red's teams next enthusiast GPU will be around 85W, 40% faster than the 480M, and half the price. It will be glorious.

Nvidia's 480M has restructured the battlefield, and I am glad they broke the 75W barrier.

 

What happened to the predictions it was as fast as 280SLI ? ...

Either way its no where near what i hoped it would be and im not surprised at the temps in the least ... Also all those tests were back backed by a i7 940 which of course will skew the results even if by a little compared to the mobile offerings...

Still excited to hear some SLI results though ...

 

Temps? Where do you see temps?

 

Scroll a little way down and you will see the GPU Z load temp shot...

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Wow the fermi is a bigger failure than I anticipated. I hoped it would best the 5870 by 20-30% but a paltry 10% overall is a joke given the price and tdp. I doubt it will oc very well either so when taking overclocks into consideration, 5870 should remain the clear winner. I think fermi will shine when the die is shrunk. This first iteration is a disappointment.

 

It is actually what some of us expected and predicted in the previous threads. It's not necessary that Mobile Fermi is a failure, it's that Fermi architecture overall has a very low performance per watt. A die-shrink won't solve the problem, as ATI can also die-shrink and it will die-shrink. Hopefully, Nvidia will revise the current architecture and will be able to improve performance per watt to bring it in line with what ATI is offering, otherwise their future is not very bright.
Too bad for PhysX, I kinda liked it.

EDIT: 84C on load is not bad... I get 84C maximum now in gaming, I used to get 92C but I've reapplied the paste and redone the thermal pad mod I've learned from Soviet , but with better thermal pads.

 

Sweet. Now I don't have to agonize myself deciding between the W870CU with 5870 or W880CU with GTX 480M.

 

i'll take that bet joker.
before it's over with, the 480 will pretty much smoke the 5870 at everything.
all with smoother game play, better min fps and and better over clocks and far less microstuttering.

 

84C is not bad at all for gaming, if it's on stock paste, applying a cooling paste mod could easily lower it by 5-10C depending on how bad the person applied the stock paste.

Even 10% performance improvement is quite enough, I actually expected 480M to have lower performance than 5870MR for non-tessellation enabled games since it's weaker for pixel fill. The tessellation enabled games are what matters really, vantage will be outdated anyways just like how 06 is obsolete now, the new standard would have tessellation included.

 

I am sorry to say, but as long as most games are made for consoles (and they are) ... tessellation will not be that important. This is why overall performance improvement, including for DX 9.0 games is still important. When the new generation of consoles will come out, let's say 2-3 years from now, then tessellation will be in every game . But by then, most of us would have already changed/upgraded our notebooks.

 

Talking about console games, there's not a single console game that will ever pose a problem for 5870MR or 480M, heck, even weaker cards have no problem with them. The games with problem playing right now are, and will be those with heavy tessellation, and that's where 480M shines.

However, true that the price is ridiculous, hope that nvidia will realise their stupidity in their pricing and reduce their prices before the release.

 

I would wait till someone here has the card and knows what to do with it before making final judgments on it. Wouldn't you say that is fair...

 

Here's the GPU Nvidia should have used for the GTX 480M



[Source: EXPreview]

If it's real that is. At a rumored 130W TDP it's looks much more performance/watt efficient.

 

318W max on a single 480M system? How the heck are they going to get two to work?

I have a hard time believe that in the mobile world. I see many power supplies randomly shutting off with this one. Systems shutting down = very choppy game play.

 

I honestly think thats why most/many people are on the 480m hate wagon ... Price vs performance... Sure its faster then the 5870m and Johnkss is absolutely right that in the end the 480m will be stomping on the 5870m in the right persons hands even under DX10 etc...

The 84 degree temp thing is not bad at all but thats also NP9280 whose cooling is well pretty darn amazing and more so then the 8760s ... Now since the 880CU is being revised enough to help with the cooling im guessing the results will be similar to its big brothers results...

Lots of us are talking smack right now but Hemi is right in that we should give a fair chance first but again i think all this pitchforking is coming from price more then performance... Expectations were high for this card and when people see the price they are left scratching there head wondering why so much for what appears to be so little...

 

In the meanwhile, can anyone with a desktop and ATI GPU OC' the CPU by 0.5-1GHz and see how big is the FPS gain (especially on max settings and res.)?

 

Probably some Witchcraft or magic lol....


Im sure the single card machines will be fine but the SLI ones strapped with a desktop CPU are going to have some growing pains...

 

That's not the max reading, Quad. And it's probably only the core temp. We do know how hot GDDR5 gets at times.
All that considering the best cooling = no go.
That's still a speculation, of course, we know nothing yet.

 

Yeah i know/figured its not the max reading but with a little tinkering like Fzhfzh commented on temps can be brought down probably some 5degrees +/- ... I know out of the box my 8760 did not run as cool as when i got done with it and i had brought the temps down around 12 degrees from the factory setup ... So i guess what i am saying is that there is still hope for good/decent temps with a little elbow grease... Still not a fan of the pricing though lol ..

What tests are you looking for ?...

 

Hopefully this is for real. It looks really good. Although as far as I know, the TDP is somewhere around 130-150W.

 

Smoke it huh? You're on, it won't oc better or smoke it in performance, not by a longshot. I can get a 25% OC without the use of an AC pointed at the system. Btw there's no microstutter in xfire games that I've seen. Just the heaven benchmark.

Tesselation won't take off in a meaningful way for a long time. PC devs that cater to the high end are few and far between. ATi can also up it's tesselation performance with driver updates. Besides look at the metro results, both were pathetically slow.

 

funny, i owed a real 5870 and a real 5970 and they both micro stuttered..i find it pretty hard to believe that the mobile version didn't while the dt did.

i concur Quad..it's more about the price than anything.

and people did the exact same thing with the 280m over the 3870, the 4870m over the 280m the 5870m over the 4870m when they came out..bashed them till someone new what they were doing and showed what they were capable of doing and so on.

and this tessellation talk reminds me of the run everything with no aa or af. (end of 08 beginning of 09) once the 4870's came out..it was lets run everything through aa/af. now it's 2010 and no one wants to run tessellation extreme. no game out really using it this and that. (until people get cards capable of running it right, then it's back to..lets run everything max including tess) it's an on going cycle.


but of course, everyone has their opinions, which is good.
mine just happens to be that the 480 is the new top dogg is all..

 

Like I said, no stuttering in any games and I've got an extensive enough library of games. It's not about bashing, if fermi was impressive I'd be one of the early adopters like I was with the 5870 xfire.

 

i didn't say stuttering...i said micro stuttering. very big difference between the two.
i bet you a 100 bucks you micro stutter on vantage in the first 12 seconds.

 

Any test from their review where the FPS is low enough on ultra.


@ Johnksss,

And I'll bet you a 100$ that with the latency issues of the mobile GTX 2xx series in SLI, you will forget about microstuttering after 12sec

 

I don't get it. No one really has this card yet and it's a failure already??? Give it a chance...

 

Let's stop the pointless blunter and head over here for facts!

 

Vantage isn't a game. Like I said no microstutter in any games I've played, just heaven benchmark.

 

HellCry's testing is much more telling of what to expect vs me running those on a desktop so its great he did that ...

 

Glad hellcry ran those tests. So much for "smoking" the 5870.

 

because it's so fun to bash nvidia!

Did you get the 480M yet?...I'll test it in my M15x, lol.

 

Lol ill be anxiously waiting that test..



Test 1: There seems to be smoke blowing out of my machine.

Well guys thats all the testing ill be doing today...

 

It'll be at least 5 more months before it's cold enough outside for you to do those tests. Islands will be out by then....:wink:

 

lol, what if I use my portable AC AND a box fan AND do it in my basement...good enough?

 

You also need a bigger power brick and some cooling pads for said brick. Don't forget to notify the electric company of the unexpected large power drain.

 

Here's more info on this card. Don't think this has been posted yet.
Notebookcheck: Review NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480M "Fermi" in the Clevo D901F

 

Was posted yesterday, that's why we're so outrageous

 

it has but it was in german. Same results.

 

Yep that was already posted .... I left a link to google translate in one of my posts as well...

 

Sorry I'm at work. I went back a few pages but missed it.

 

What about this, has it been posted already?

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480M, Fastest Notebook GPU Yet - HotHardware

 

Same results, we already have a comparison now.. and the conclusion is the gtx 480m is not even nearly worth paying for...

 

Yes HellCry, you helped many in saving their money, lol

 

Didnt really profit from this venture myself though.. but i really wanted to make it happen