Pic of GTX 480M + 3DM06 Test

not sure ill have to look

 

Maybe the rumored desktop GTX 485 will be that GF100b.

Then Nvidia can stop producing GF100 and make a GTX485M based on GF104....

 

GF100 is finished... the GTX 485/495 will be dual GF104... I thought this would be already clear. I also looking foward to the GF104 mobile solution... because fermi is no that efficient, it could be that a solution with less shader cores but considerably higher clock rates could be faster than a solution with a high shader count but low clock rates (obiously thinking of the GTX 480M vs. GTX 470M / 460M here).

 

GF104, Geforce GTX 260 mobile to come this summer - Notebooks - Fudzilla

Mobile GF104 coming this summer. Yummy!

 

I'm not so sure. Depends on how many cores GF104 really has.

A 200-something core GF104 GPU could squeeze into the shoe-size of a High Performance level GPU but a 300-something core GF104 would be way too big.

If GF104 is 240-256 cores then it'll probably make up the Enthusiast GTX 460M and 470M, while the GF106-ES spotted in the ASUS G53 will be the Performance level card.

If GF104 is 336-384 cores then it'll probably be skipped in the mobile market and GF106/N11E-GS (ASUS VX7) will fill out the Enthusiast and High Performance segments.

 

I think a full GF104 card might come out with the 28nm die-shrink.

 

But who knows when they will start implementing the 28nm shrink, they better get moving because ATI is pulling way ahead of them.

 

At 28nm I'd want a GPU with even more cores.

 

In what aspect is ATI pulling way ahead of nvidia?

 

He's probably referring to die size, energy efficiency and the 6 month or more lead ATI has card for card versus Nvidia. When Nvidia does improve their GF10X line, ATI will again be in a position to extend the lead with their upcoming chips.

 

It's more like a year going back to the original 4870s with the W90.

 

Thanks, edited my post to reflect that.

 

they were not true 4870's and the fact the Asus W90 was crippled for the first 6 months ... and had tons of RMA's etc. Great machine with Asus quality

 

Another fun article from Nvidia's #1 Anti-Fanboy Charlie Demerjian...

SemiAccurate :: What are Nvidia's GF104, GF106 and GF108?

 

How is Charlie an anti-fanboy? More like anti-nvidia?

 

Those are the same things.

 

Asus is still using their own stuff but the name is still there. Those systems benched just as well as the M17xR1 once they were figured out.

lol!

 

I don't get it. Explain.

 

An Nvidia Anti-Fanboy is the diametrically opposing force of an Nvidia Fanboy.....i.e. someone that hates Nvidia.

 

Yeah that
Isn't ATI going to launch a ISLANDS version GPU relatively soon(6 months or so) then go with the full blown version sometime 2011.
Not sure what Nvidia will have to counter.

 

shouldnt have to hack a Vbios AND driver to "figure it out"

It was a poorly designed BIOS and Vbios and card. But the x38 chipset =win in a laptop

 

While this is not about desktop cards, I really have to say that this thing looks beautiful: New Nvidia GF100 PCB shows up - Graphics - Graphics - Fudzilla

And in other news: ATI reportedly working on new mobile chips - Graphics - Fudzilla

 

Maybe they'll just bring the Radeon HD 5830 to laptops, it would destroy the GTX 480M but also face the same problems: more expensive (albeit less expensive than the GTX 480M), too much heat, too much energy consumption...

 

Still, it's probably gonna be way cheaper than 480M and perhaps 10-20% faster
Nice find, BTW!
But the best thing about it that the new ATI's will still fit the existing MXM and might become the last and the most powerful iteration before Huron River platform.

Also, they should support Intel IGP and finally, we can hope for a decent battery life...some day

 

If the rumored Vancouver roadmap is to be believed the first group of semi-new Islands architecture GPUs would be Granville, Capilano, and Robson...which are the High-Performance, Mainstream and Entry level GPUs.

It's very possible that Granville makes up the Mob. HD6700 cards with performance that falls between the Mob. HD5830 and Mob. HD5850(GDDR5). I personally don't expect an Enthusiast level card to take over for the Mob. HD5870 and beat GTX480M until Blackcomb.

 

This is quite interesting. I can only expect that Broadway's successor will have the shader count of the 5830.

 

2011 just gets better and better when it comes to new tech.

 

I'd be happy with even 960 SPU on Blackcomb. A decent 20% increase in shaders over RV840 paired with a 256-bit bus and a tweaked uncore would be plenty for the standard generation to generation performance bump.

 

Why bother anyway? Unless you're into benching, there's absolutely no need for stronger GPU's anymore. With consoles lagging behind and OnLive's assault, PC gaming is going to perish in 2-3 years. Game publishers will benefit from the centralized online system (no software piracy) and soon we gonna play maxed out Metro and Crysis on nettops and i-phones. Onlive will mature in a couple of years and that would be it, IMHO. And then Windows will perish (or become free) just as fast

 

"OnLive's assault" = at best, a system which will be dead within a year, unless a cable provider buys it. The monthly maintenance on the service will become astronomical, and seems impossible to recoup with a $15/month fee. And this is just with the current 720p/30fps, medium settings. It's a losing proposition.

Mobile GPUs are still too weak to fluently handle anti-aliasing.

 

Look at the perspectives. Today it's 720p/30fps, and for starters it's fine. As a gamer I can tell you the general consensus so far - it's a good start and when managed right will make another revolution.
Not long ago, when Steam first appeared, many said the same thing - "it's gonna die soon". And yet, it's the best creation in the gaming world for the past 10 years, IMHO.
I feel the same about Onlive.
It will be rejected by many, but you will endup joining the ranks soon, trust me. Well...only if you game

 

There will be an enthusiast PC market for years and years to come. As long as it's here, PC gaming and GPUs will keep evolving.

 

That pretty much describes the current M17xR2 with 5870s.

 

The topic is pretty much dead.
To me it should have been closed long ago since there are no more tests of the 480M available.
If we discuss the future ATI cards here on 5 pages, let's dedicate a few more to Diablo3 for example


<<< So to summarize the topic - A nice bonus in tessellation, the rest is one big, hungry and hot fiasco, IMHO.
Also, it's supposed to have a decent performance in pro apps, which is another bonus.
Plus, the SLI should scale better than a 5870CF.
So, we still have a few positive things about the new deity

 

So what? There will be future tests about the GTX 480M. We are all especially interested in the user tests which will show how much of an overclocker the GTX 480M is. Other than that, who the ()cares about OnLive yet? Not that I would support it, but if you have enough criminal motivation you can get any game for free anyway and I doubt this will change drastically in the future so this has no impact on system requirements whatsoever.

And thanks to Blacky this topic has become very interesting again since the successor of the Mobility Radeon HD 5870 would probably kill the GTX 480M and I for myself will wait until I have information on the last card that can fit in the MXM 3.0b slot until I consider upgrading my W860CU.

 

This is now the, 'Whose Crystal Ball Is Clearer?', thread.

I like it.

With tech in the midst of transition, no one with an even average gaming notebook should upgrade right now. (IMO, of course)

 

I'd say no-one with an average gaming notebook should ever upgrade. Technology is always advancing, and my GX640 was a great deal at $1100 despite whatever is coming in the future.

The coming AMD chips seem to still be 40nm 800-shader parts, so I wouldn't expect anything huge.

 

Not too sure about that thinking but I know anyone who jumped on the 8800 GTX SLI with a x9000 CPU three years ago or 4870's really hit the jackpot.

It always seems like every third generation in mobile advances are the really ones that are really worth it (architecturally talking).

 

i don't want to brag about my 2 year old d900c but i agree with your statement. assuming the application takes advantage of SLI, the only other laptop out there that can beat my d900c is the alienware m17x with the xfired 5870's.

 

GF104...

Final Specifications of the GeForce GTX 460 unveiled

 

That will make a lovely mobile card.

 

I don't understand why they are going to have 2 different cards named the same.
I'm confused!

 

Mission Accomplished...

 

nvidia style!

 

I can't tell whether that ATI article is saying the the 800 shader GPU is being replaced, or that the replacement is an 800 shader GPU.

I'm sure it's the former, but I can read it both ways.

 

The Fud article? Definitely talking about the current SPU counts of Broadway, Madison, and Park.

I don't expect Fuad would know the specs of Vancouver yet.

 

If anything, i'll probably be a 1440 shader part (desktop 5850 based) if they want to exceed the 75w TDP rating for the new MXM standards. The desktop 5830s are actually binned 5870s with some shaders lasered out, which is why it (5830) has a higher power draw than the 5850.

 

I secretly hope, but I aim low to avoid disappointment.

 

The 5850 is also a binned 5870 with parts shut off, the difference is the 5830 is a much more marginal die that they were able to further cut down and most likely run at a higher voltage to sell and up their yields.

 

Bench updated.