Probability that NP9262 Chassis will fit/support 9800m gtx sli

Just to make it clear before anybody thinks, " oh not another 9800gtx compatability thread", I want to keep this limited to two questions:

A)
How probable is that the current motherboard of the NP9262 will be compatible with the "at-some-point-not-so-soon-to-be-released" 9800 gtx sli cards?

B)
Would you actually think that there is a probability that an entirely new notebook model/chassis will have to be designed specifically for the 9800gtx sli (with this I am implying that that the 9262 model with 9800 gt won't be upgradeable to gtx)

I've heard some probabilities on both of these, but would like to hear a few more.

Thanks!

 

Oh but it is .... after asking everyone, i can tell u that my little brother who knows nothing about computers can give you an answer and it would as much sense as Nvidia or sager or Clevo would...lol

Forget about it...just wait

 

Yea, the uncertainty is consuming me!!!

 

Oh, no. Not another 9800M GTX compatibility thread!

A) I'm booking odds at 80% or better.

B) No. 0% chance of that. If Clevo's got a successor for the D901C in the works, it'll be with a view to building around the new Nehalem architecture, not completely reworking the existing D901C.

 

Well due to the fact that Nvida's bosses are pretty much Nazis and wont reveal any info on the 9800GTX, it is really hard to tell anything. The single 9800GTX fits very well apparently but we dont know the power consumption for it. 8800GTX SLI required the new motherboard but the 9800GTX is suppose to be on a whole new core so it might need a mobo upgrade as well. Its just hard to tell for now. AUgust 22 is when the 9800GTX comes out and we will know howl long we have to wait for the 9800GTX SLI.

 

There is nothing useful to be drawn from the incident with the SLi 8800M GTX to the supportability, or lack thereof, of the SLi 9800M GTX. The reason being that the basis for the motherboard upgrade for SLi 8800s is known, if not in exacting detail, and leads to the conclusion that, going forward, that problem will not arise again.

More specifically, as I've said any number of times, and as was originally reported on the forum by, among others, Justin@xoticpc, the motherboard on the NP9261 had to be revised to accomodate SLi 8800M GTX because NVidia decided, at the last minute, to build most of the GPU in-house, and decided not to provide support for the standard industry means of providing EDID data on the display unit to the GPUs - generally, that info is provided by means of either a separate EPROM containing the data, or a separate section of the BIOS that feeds the data to the GPUs on boot. Instead, pursuant to the MXM standards promulgated by NVidia, the cards had to be fed the EDID data from the display unit.

Now, since almost no ODM/OEM uses a display unit that can actually provide its own EDID - generally only desktop monitors do that (more room in the casing) - and since they still don't, the solution - which we know involved soldering at least one additional IC onto the motherboard - must have involved putting a chip capable of feeding EDID to the GPUs in the path between the GPUs and the display unit so that, from the perspective of the GPUs that data appeared to be coming straight from the display unit.

Since only a fool would believe that Clevo, having been burned once, would simply toss that solution out on the scrap-heap merely because they were moving from the 8-series to the 9-series of NVidia GPUs, it only stands to reason that the work-around needed to accomodate SLi 8800M GTXs is either (a) still in place, or (b) has been integrated into the motherboard, since, as far as I know, Clevo is still using EDID-less display units (as are most ODMs/OEMs).

Ergo, it must reasonably follow that the mere fact that a motherboard revision was necessary to support SLi 8800M GTXs is quite simply irrelevant to the question of whether or not some other change in the GPU from NVidia will require a further motherboard revision.

Lastly, the fact that Clevo got so much grief the last time around suggests that the probabilities of such a revision this time around are a lot less than they might otherwise have been.

 

Great argument Shyster! Thanks for that

 

Very nice but we still dont know if the 9800GTX will require the separate chip to send the EDID data to teh LCD. Maybe it will, or not. All we know is that the resellers say its a new core, which is frankly worrying, knowing that Nvidia's mobile plan stopped when Gorbachev died.

 

What would be even nicer would be actually reviewing the relevant standards promulgated by NVidia:

• MXM Version 2.1A Graphics Module Thermal Electromechanical Specification, SP-03493-002_v1.0, November 2007, and
• MXM Version 2.1 Graphics Module Software Specification, SP-03494-001_v1.0, September, 2007.

Had that been done, and had the release dates of the current versions been checked against the release date for the SLi 8800M GTX, it would become apparent that the MXM standards have not been revised since just prior to the release of the SLi 8800M GTX.

From this it follows that, if the motherboard as revised in order to accomodate SLi 8800M GTX was in compliance with the relevant MXM standards then, it is still, as of today, in compliance with the relevant MXM standards and, as a consequence, should not require a further revision in order to accomodate an MXM-compliant version of the 9-series GPUs.

 

Truly remarkable pool of knowledge you have Shyster! Hats off to that, you're not a lawyer by any chance? (great how you systematically follow through with your line of argument).

Out of curiosity, if we assume a worst case scenario where mobo WOULD have to be replaced, what kind of costs would I be looking at to upgrade to a 9800gtx sli (very roughly speaking...to get a ballpark estimate).

Thanks again

 

I think Shyster should become a Clevo reseller.

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You'd have me as an immediate customer then Syster

With these times of uncertainty it would be quite lucrative to start an insurance market to hedge against unpleasant surprises Rather than credit default swaps, lets start pricing GDS's - Grafics default swaps! =P ^^

Killernotebooks, you happen to know what a MoBo exchange/upgrade would cost?

 

I shouldn't tell you this, but a certain system builder was doing motherboard mods to make the 8800 GTX work in the above mentioned circumstances. It's $10 in material and 5 minutes of soldering.

Let's see if the cards work first. If they don't then let's worry about a solution. It's only 3 weeks away.

 

Agreed, but it's my second nature to always have a hedge ready ... there must always be lots of Plan B's!

Thanks for the info

 

That's very good reasoning, and makes me somewhat hesitant for looking at the 9262.

 

I am not accustomed to relying on "plan B's."

There is a scene in the movie Desperado...

 

Hesitant in what sense? If you're thinking of waiting for the successor to the D901C, then be prepared to wait for quite a while; my guess is that a Nehalem-based successor won't show up for about a year or so.

 

I know. I don't really need the 9262, but it's tempting.

Being reminded that Clevo is probably getting a replacement ready is a good wake up call.

 

Please keep on-topic in here. Thank you.

 

Clevo will always have something up in the high tiers.
It's all coming down to "Do I want it NOW?"