Problem with memory on 8660.

I just got my 8660 with 4GB of DDR3 RAM, but when I ran 3dmark06 and cpuz they both say I have DDR2 memory running at 667mhz. Is anyone else seeing this on their 8660's.

 

It's probably just a bug with the 3DMark software. Try running the latest version of CPU-Z or Everest. I'm sure either one will report your memory as DDR3.

-Mike.

 

Cpuz is telling me ddr2 also.

 

Try using 3DMark Vantage and see if it gives you a better result.

http://www.futuremark.com/download/3dmarkvantage/

 

I have seen this problem in several posts already, some people with DDR2 got a wei score of 5.6, but people with DDR3 only got wei score of 5.0. Something is not right, maybe need a bios update from Clevo? We need some expert advice here.

 

3dmark is getting old.
Try Vantage and / or a newer version of Everest .

 

Yeah what he saod, I got a 5.0 for my ram, and it's the weakest link, 2nd lowest is processorat 5.4.

Really, the only reason I got the Sager instead of the Alienware, was because of the montevina, and the ddr3.

 

then why does it have lower scores? why? why why why why?

 

What is the brand and stats of your memory?

 

how do we find out?

 

I tried 3dmark vantage and it states the same thing.

Memory slot
Installed Enabled Size 2.00 GB
Form Factor SODIMM
Frequency 667.0 MHz
Slot M1 [Bank 0]
Manufacturer Mfg 0
Type DDR2
Type Details Synchronous
Enabled Size 2.00 GB
Total Bit Width 64 b
Data Bit Width 64 b

Memory slot
Installed Enabled Size 2.00 GB
Form Factor SODIMM
Frequency 667.0 MHz
Slot M2 [Bank 1]
Manufacturer Mfg 1
Type DDR2
Type Details Synchronous
Enabled Size 2.00 GB
Total Bit Width 64 b
Data Bit Width 64 b

 

whoa this is really bad..... i wonder whats going on..

my reseller original listed the m860tu based systems it had on offer with DDR2 maybe it does support it and you got swindled.
Then again this notebook + notebook ddr3 is brand new so chances are future mark detecting software is old..even on vantage... your best bet would be to open the sucker up and have a look at its Ram modules

 

Well, one way is to check the online page where you ordered it, does it say what it is there? Or at least what it should be.

Other way is to open the notebook and check with your own eyes.

Program wise...I don't know, perhaps Everest?
What about during POST? Or if you go in the BIOS?

 

Take a look at the ram; that should be easy enough?

 

Everyone is just assuming that the various (free) benchmarking apps automatically and seamlessly pick up every new development as soon as it's released to retail, which is a bad assumption. There is no reason to believe that these benchmarks would immediately identify ddr3 as such given how new it is.

Secondly, as Tarentum says, has anyone popped open the RAM slot to check the actual DIMMs to see what's installed - that's the only true test of what RAM you've actually received.

Thirdly, why all this focus on WEI? WEI is not an adequate benchmarking tool, and the fact that it might be treating stronger components as weaker is just a poor reflection on WEI, not any sort of reflection on the actual components themselves.

 

Look at the timings under CPUZ. I have 7-7-7-20. Quick search on google tells me that DDR2 does not have these timings, but CPUZ is reporting DDR2. So, CPUZ and others are wrong, I guess.

 

There ya go! Good research falooga.

 

yes, 7-7-7-20 is DDR3.
Also the frequency is half of FSB. DDR3-1066 has 533Mhz freq. (667 in your case would be DDR3-1333, but it is not true)

But can anyone tell me what are transfer rates for their 1066 RAM?
I get 2950 Mb/s for DDR2-667, and 3250 for DDR3-1066. I thought the difference would be bigger.
In theory DDR2-667 could go up to 5333Mb/s, DDR3-1066 up to 8533Mb/s

 

why higher latency with newer generation memory?

 

a bit higher latencies, much higher bandwidth - better performance overall. At least in theory (check my previous post).

 

but this seems backwards then....
why was it the "in" thing to get lower latencies then previously?
from what you say and what i understand from other posts, latency is no longer a factor anymore as it once was....yes/no?

 

Does anyone really notice any difference (even with just comparing DDR2 memory) in speed in his system? The whole thing feels too 3dmark style focus.

I am more interested if the above people actualy got their DDR3 memories than anything else.

 

The point of getting lower latencies is to get your system as fast as possible; one the bandwidth is maxed out, the timings need to be tightened to speed up the system even more. Overall, bandwidth has a much higher affect than timings.

At the moment, DDR3 is way too overpriced in comparison with its performance vs DDR2, but just as DDR2 beat DDR, DDR3 will/has beat DDR2

 

It will get lower with DDR3-1333 and 1600.

DDR3 is also better, because it can run faster with lower power consummation, and less heat. Main benefit is still transfer rate.

 

What's the next thing that everyone will freak out about?

 

SS DD.....

 

I hope vista will fix their performance tools so we can get a better wei score for our new laptop. I can't brag with my friends with the lower score...

 

I think their getting right on it.

And thats the reason why.

 

Steven have you tried the Turbo Memory and User pinning yet? What's the difference before and after you do the user pinning, and how much of a difference do you see on the boosting time with and without the turbo memory?

 

I have done nothing with turbo yet, not sure how it is supposed to work excatly.

 

Please post your impression once you get the hang of it! Thanks

 

Actually, I'm sad to say I dont know if I'm going to be able to keep this comp, Theres too many things that I dont know if I can accept.

 

are you going to sell it to me for cheaper?

 

Your other issues aside, the memory clearly is DDR3, as Falooga discovered. Not that it matters, as RAM speed is negligible. You can't blame Sager for CPU-Z's misreads, can you?

 

You do realize that you can edit your own WEI score right?

 

yes, photoshop ftw

 

^No I mean like, you can actually go into your system and edit it to make it show 5.9 for all scores.

 

Oooh, the ultimate benchmark - sort of like a Garrison Keillor radio show - where, like the children, all computers are above average!

Of course, isn't that a little like a merchant putting his/her thumb on the scales, which is generally illegal?

 

It's not the memory, Pretty much it comes down to Heat, if I cant you my lappy, than why have it. and so people say your not suppose to rest your palm on the "palm rest", I still do, and I need a laptop that wont be sitting there burning me after 10-15 minutes of use.

 

just get an SSD to replace your HDD for 160 bucks, problem solved...

 

Probably is because you have a 7,200 RPM HD. Is faster but is hotter too...

What other things do you dont like it?

 

Have you tried undervolting it?