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    RTX 2080 in P870TM1-G

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by Hterag, Feb 27, 2019.

  1. Hterag

    Hterag Notebook Enthusiast

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    Hi all,

    So, I'm about to upgrade my GTX 1080 SLi to a single RTX 2080 (because SLi/dual GPU is way too much trouble, along with dual power bricks etc.).

    I've found a seller where I am and I've heard the cooler is different, how is it different? Is it just the thermal pad layout? I currently have the P870TM single-GPU and dual-GPU coolers (I upgraded from single to dual GPU later) and looking at it I can't see why it'd be physically different, other than the thermal pad layout.

    I have plenty of thermal pad material and I've remade thermal pads loads of times in the past so that's no issue, the support bracket and screw layouts look identical to me from pictures. I even found two and overlayed one over the other, they seem to match up...

    Am I good to go or am I missing something?

    Thanks in advance.
     
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    So, I've found out what the potential issue is, it's this:
    CoolerProblem.jpg

    The single-card heatsink has two levels and the upper level covers this which would raise it above the others (and away from the GPU). I don't have the dual-card heatsink to hand right now because it's in the machine I'm using but is it the same? How did Eurocom solve this? Did they get a custom-made cooler or just modify the original?

    It's almost like Clevo deliberately designed it this way...

    EDIT: On closer inspection, the third memory chip across doesn't get fully covered and the top-left VRM also only gets half covered. This could be, "fixed" with some copper blocks and some more thermal pads, though.

    Biggest issue is still the height of the VRM I highlighted above and whether it's actually high enough to push the heatsink away from the GPU - I don't have a card to check with but does anyone have the thermal pad height guide?
     
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    Ram not getting covered is generally not a big deal.

    You highlighted an inductor, not a vrm (the little black chips next to them).
     
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    Already been solved in the other thread.
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...lounge-phoenix-5.826848/page-19#post-10871449
     
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    semantics, haha :D
     
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    Meaker@Sager, Feb 28, 2019
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    Oh, one other thing, does this only work with the Prema BIOS in the P870TM-R? Or can any P870TM/P870TM1 use the RTX 2080? Latest BIOS needed?
     
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    It's not officially supported on the stock BIOS, but I can't say we've tested against this since the P870 didn't see a refresh. :vbfrown:
     
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    The 9900K is barely supported on stock bios....
     
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    Not officially but does it, "work"? Has anyone else tried it? @ Johnksss did you try it with yours?
     
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    Mine is a P870TM1 capable of running 2 2080's.
     
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    So the 2080rtx is plug&play after a heatsink mod in your TM right? No need .inf mod?
     
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    I see, but is that the system in your signature? It's running Prema BIOS, right?
     
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    Yes, my good sir. It is running a Prema mod bios.

    This is some of what to expect on a stock bios....
    20190126_172546.jpg
     
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    Well it's trying to read the MXM vbios version :p Does it stick there or does it still load up?
     
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    This was just part of the trial and error days. PM works.
     
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    So it's just a mess and won't work on the stock BIOS at all? I think that's what people were wondering.
     
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    Again, we haven't tested against it here, so I can't say for certain. All my sources claim the 20xx series does not work on the stock BIOS. Johksss' posts here are alluding to the same.
     
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    I guess....If it did, they would be selling it by now. And it would be out in the wilds working 100 percent correct. The P870 seems to work differently from the P775. So it makes sense to see why Clevo dropped support for it and ran with the P775 instead. Even though the P870 would have been the far superiority choice, due to it's cooling head room. It's not just the 20 series cards not working, but on stock bios the 9900K is suspect. And a very simple change in the bios can in fact brick the machine. A hard crash can also put the machine in to a world of hurt. I think @clevo-extreme may have experienced this. (Speculations of course)

    @Prostar Computer
    Correct, but I can't say for sure because someone may have fixed it, but i'm a bout 99 percent sure it's non functional.
     
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    We have received just normally screen. But card is very hot as well. We have latest available bios with 9th gen compatible.

    Fastest Customizable Gaming Notebooks & Mobile Workstations | CLEVO System Integrator
     
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    Interesting results though the 1080 still does very well in the machine so not really tempting to those owners.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Mar 1, 2019
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    Is that a setting change in the BIOS that can brick it? Or do you mean flashing a slightly different one can brick it?

    Are you saying you are running the latest Clevo BIOS in P870TM and it works with the 2080 and 9900K?

    In any case, I'll have to find a creative way to beg @Prema for a BIOS... I can't sing a song or bake a cake, that's already been done...
     
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    And does the bios has a recovery? Does FN+D work? Removing the cmos battery, does that work?

    I'm running the latest Premamod version. Clevo did not have a 100 percent functional one and no plans on making one.

    And @Prema will not make personal versions for non partners unfortunately
     
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    Yes no RTX gen update from clevo officially.
     
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    P870KM i9-9900K RTX is 2070 [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Fastest Customizable Gaming Notebooks & Mobile Workstations | CLEVO System Integrator
     
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    How did you do that? Are you using a modded BIOS or the stock? Is it just the 2070 that works? What about the 2080?
     
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    I buy from Eurocom, and I mod the heatsink
     
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    DUDE! populate that second RAM slot ASAP! running single channel RAM with such a config is a scandal! :D
     
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    It's certainly the fruit on the lowest branch while you are struggling to reach the top of the tree.
     
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    Yes, I know the problem, but Monday will be solved.
    And the video card its amazing. easy mod.
     
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    Hello my friend! Tell me, please, what model of Clevo do you have? What BIOS version was used? I'm really looking forward to the installation instructions. Thank.
     
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    Hello! What version of BIOS is installed? vBios is installed standard (visible version of the BIOS on the label of the video card). Cooling need to cut with a file?
     
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    You need mod bios as well for rtx gpus. But rtx 2080 into this chassis is too complicated.. Heatsink must be modified. Something with cutting and rebuilding I don't know exactly.

    Fastest Customizable Gaming Notebooks & Mobile Workstations | CLEVO Integrator
     
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    Hi , if I have already the modded bios ( 8700 fits perfect) , still need another bios or this bios will work with rtx cards?
     
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    The bios needs some work on the RTX cards from what I understand. This is separate from the CPU.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Jan 26, 2020
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