Random Crashes Max Payne 3 7970m 12.7 beta drivers

Folks, I am having random crashes while playing Max Payne 3 and its driving me absolutely nuts!!! Rebooting after the crash seams to help but the end result is I am still left with random crashes while playing Max Payne 3.

Anyone else having this issue with the 7970m?

 

same problems on stock drivers?

 

I have not tried .... Does anyone else have the same problem ??

I am sorry as the Jury is not out yet on what issues the 680M has.... however I really regret getting the 7970m, I would of gladly forked over 300 bux more for a card that actually works!

 

I don't really agree on the $300 more for the other card, but I'm agreeing on the 7970. I'm really debating on whether to return it in the next week or to keep the laptop.

 

You may want to google Max Payne 3. That's what the game does. Crash, black screens, CTD. Not a 7970m issue, Rockstar hates PC gamers, as if that was news. Keep crying about 7970m.. :-/

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Listen Max Payne 3 is not the only problem I am having, Civilization GOds and Kings will crash constantly in DX 11 mode an issue other 7970m users have confirmed.

Listen I love my Clevo P150EM, and am very happy with the performance of the 7970m... WHEN IT WORKS!

I did not pay $3k for a laptop to be going through issues such as this. Some folks can be in denile all they want, fact is AMD released an unfinished product.

I am considering if Malibal will allow me to return my laptop and exchange for a 680m.

 

Yeah? Civ 5 Gods and Kings if you google also have issues. It's never the fault of the game developers I know. And it's never your fault. It's ALWAYS AMD's fault.

I know... I know... And somehow paying $3K on your laptop will make Rockstar developers give a rat's behind about your anger that your $3000 isn't running perfect. I know, it's ALWAYS AMD's fault. And it's definitely not because it's an Nvidia Meant to be Played huge money cash game.

 

At least you should isolate the problem by reinstalling stock drivers first.

 

I've had Civ V since it was released and I've always gotten random crashes on the DX10/DX11 mode.

A lot of games have crashing issues that aren't related to the video card. Before you go ahead and blame the 7970M, do a Google search and see if it isn't something else. If you can't find a fix, then it may be a driver issue.

 

Listen... if you want to be a FAN BOY that's you choice.... not mine. Fact is I switched from a laptop with a 570m to this one and am playing the same games except now with the 7970m I have way more crashes.


I can't even run CIV Gods and Heros in DX 11 for more than 5 minutes without crashes. ALthough I so agree a lot of PC games have problems, if this was something all PC gamers were experiencing it would be patched.


FACT is the AMD 7970m with the current crap drivers is extremely problematic.

I agree with the statements about installing the stock drivers... however I am sick of doing that. I spent a week when i first got my laptop reinstalling the OS and drivers, I refuse to go down that road at this point.

 

Then I guess have fun with game crashes :/

 

Why don't you just use 12.5 or 12.6. They are beta drivers after all.

 

You guys are probably right, can you downgrade your drivers without wiping them clean ? I tried to install the drivers off the Clevo website just now which I am assuming are 12.5 or 12.6 and it gave me message saying install complete..... however it did not downgrade my display driver from 12.7.

Any Thoughts?

 

Uninstall then use driversweeper. I know some people don't like doing that, but it works for me. 12.6 are the latest stable drivers.

 

Well Folks I downgraded to the stock drivers... and the issue still persists...

The only way to resolve the problem was to downgrade my graphic settings to DirectX 10.1 down from DirectX 11...

This is the 2nd game I have had to do this..... Any ideas why this is happening aside from the 7970m being a piece of junk?

Sorry guys just getting a tad bit frustrated....

 

Eh, don't worry about it. The OP isn't listening to reason or using common sense. I guess he can't google Max Payne 3 CTD, and freezing issues that are plaguing Nvidia users as well (which is hilarious considering it's a Nvidia free money game). It can't be Rockstar at fault, it's AMD's fault, the 7970M is junk, not Rockstar's coding.

 

I have found a number of problems with 7970M, and among them is not doing well with DX11. But, there are all kinds of issues ranging from TDR errors, to system freezes and crashing to a black screen, and those are not limited to Max Payne 3 by any means. Any of you guys seeing the issue that looks like a pinstriped screen?

 

Dunno, but then our 7970M function differently, better ask in AW forum. Your 7970M isn't even setup like ours. Ours goes through the iGPU, meaning our iGPU is on ALL the time. You can turn yours off, it's not the same setup.

 

I already know what's going on in the AW forum, but I'm choosing to ask here to learn if 7970M is as universally defective as I suspect it is. If it's a broken piece of technology, it doesn't necessarily matter whether or not it goes through the IGP. Isn't the M17x R4 made similar to your Sager? I think M17x R4 systems are able to disable graphics switching in the BIOS whereas your BIOS might not allow that. The M18x is totally different than the M17x R4 as far as graphics switching is concerned, but the problems with the 7970M are similar on both platforms, with or without the involvement of the Intel IGFX.

 

No the M17x R4 and the Clevo are not the same. 7970M is not implemented the same at all. 7970M here isn't broken in the least bit here, but then I try to problem solve instead of screaming, AMD sucks.

 

OK, that's real nice. Thanks for letting me know that.

Now maybe someone else would like to share if their system is having issues.

 

Nope, never had stripey issues. But then none of us have a CF 7970M either. So you have CF and your 7970M isn't implemented in the same way as ours. Have fun trouble shooting your CF AW in a Clevo forum. Have fun looking for confirmation 7970M is a piece of trash. Question is what are you going to do about it? Have you checked out hackness' thread on 680M or HTWingNut's results? Seem pretty awesome to me, time to ditch this piece of junk made by fools at AMD who can't release drivers that aren't garbage and get yourself some 680M sweetness.

Anyway, gonna go play Max Payne 3 for an our with a smooth 60+ V-synced on high settings before heading to bed.

 

I have already reported you and wanted to refrain from doing this but you keep posting.... please leave my thread you are only distracting from what I would like to accomplish. I am trying to be the bigger man here and hold back from a few things I would like to say to you which would only further distract from the point of this thread, please do the same and just leave the thread and don't come back please and thank you.

I am having issues with my hardware and want a discussion to try and determine the problem, and if others are having the same issue.

Anyways back on topic......


I am having the same issues problems with almost every game in Direct X 11 with varying results.

I have tried both the stock and 12.7 beta drivers.....

I really hope this is only a driver issue...

 

Uh, your question has already been answered, the game is broken. You're just too busy complaining the 7970M is a piece of trash to accept that.

 

I hope so too, buddy. I was convinced it was drivers for a long time, but I'm starting to lose hope and I am wondering if it's not defective. I know that 7970M on the P150EM and its variants is not working correctly because there are plenty of Clevo/Sager owners in the Alienware forums looking for help. Now I may have a better understanding why. Don't burn any calories on the other problem... it's a defect as well.

Here is a list of things that we have been seeing in both dual and single GPU systems:

• Occasional BSOD at idle (anything except 12.5 beta - frequency varies with driver version)
• CrossFire starts and stops working randomly
• Screen goes black during gaming (seems to be an issue with DX11 games more than DX9 or DX10)
• BSOD when streaming YouTube videos
• Random "pinstripes" on screen
• TDR Errors "Display driver amdkmdap stopped responding and has successfully recovered."
• Sensors disappearing on GPU1 (never happens with GPU0)
• GPUs randomly remain stuck at 2D clock speeds under load (can be either GPU or both of them)

You've been asked nicely more than once, sir.

 

Thanks for the constructive post Mr.Fox... this information is both encouraging and discouraging at the same time...

Encouraging that I am not the only one experiencing this issue, but it is very unfortunate that I may have purchased a card that could be defective out of the box....

At this point I know I have exhausted all options at my disposal to resolve this issue... aside from waiting for AMD to release new drivers or return my laptop to Malibal.

Please keep me posted on any solutions.... getting desperate enough to try anything!

 

Let's keep our hopes up, as drivers can do wonders. I have been in communication with AMD by phone and email and they told me that there is no driver available that fully supports the 7970M GPU chipset as of yet, but they recommended using a beta until one is released. There is some comfort in knowing we are in it together. Alienware and Malibal are both reputable companies and I'm sure they will take care of us if AMD doesn't come through.

 

Clevos are not built the same way as AW is. A BIOS update will not allow Clevo users to disable Enduro. The iGPU powers the display, and the dGPU does the rendering. So being able to disable Enduro would be a whole mobo change :/

I'm not experiencing ANY issues though. I haven't played DX11 games so I guess that's why. Although I did run Crysis 2 DX11 + HiRes textures and experienced no issues. Is DE:HR DX11?

 

Ouch! Does that allow you to upgrade the GPU or switch to another brand if you need to, or is it strictly an AMD/Enduro proprietary mobo design? But, I'm glad to hear that you're not having any problems like some of us are.

 

Doesn't driver sweeper require some extra steps when reinstalling with the 7970m drivers?

 

Here are the steps I normally follow:

• Open Device Manager and manually install the Standard VGA driver in place of the AMD display driver
• Express Uninstall all AMD software using Catalyst Install Manager
• Reboot into Safe Mode, then check the box for AMD, click "Clean"
• Answer "No" to reboot, run CCleaner's registry tool and fix all errors
• Repeat until CCleaner's registry tool finds no more errors
• Reboot into Windows normally and install the new drivers

 

Awaken, Crysis 2 in DX 11 mode has been working fine for me as well...but i am having problems with Max Payne 2, Dirt 2, and Civ V in DX 11 mode..

Max Payne 3 - Random crashes that pick up in frequency the farther I make it into the game.

Dirt 2 - Pretty much the same thing as Max Payne 3 except less frequent.

CIV V GOds & Heros - Completely unplayable in DX 11 Mode.


BTW, I used driver sweeper the same way Mr.Fox described above and downgraded my driver without issues.

 

Hmm... let's go see if I can "acquire" those games solely to test it out on my laptop.

 

If you encounter issues with DX11 it would be consistent with what many others are experiencing with both mobile and desktop 7970 graphics cards.

One thing you can try for free is 3DMark11 to see if you are having problems with DX11. I have very random issues with it. Sometimes the screen goes black and the system freezes running at stock core and memory clocks. If I try to overclock the GPUs, it almost always does. On occasion, I get DX11 "faulting module" error messages when attempting to launch it. It took dozens of attempts before I was able to achieve the 3DMark11 score in my signature. These problems with 3DMark11 only seem to exist with the 7970M GPU. I never had those issues with 6970M, 6990M or 580M. I have done multiple driver and Windows clean installs and that has done nothing to help the 7970M use DX11 properly.

In contrast, Vantage uses DX10 and the screen never goes black running Vantage. I can overclock my GPUs (within reason, of course,) without issue running Vantage as well.

 

As far as I'm aware we can change to a different GPU brand (NVIDIA 675M/680M) just might require different heatsinks.

 

Hey, are you running the game with MSAA on? I've had several failures with different driver setups and I'm back to the Clevo stock ones for my 7970m after re-installing Windows, but I think my crashes were caused by MSAA. I'll play some more and let you know.

Also, I'm not sure if it's the stock drivers to blame but performance on Max Payne 3 on DX11 isn't that good at all and I get screen tearing. I've tried forcing Vsync on from CCC but that didn't help either, and I'm a bit afraid to install 12.7 as my CCC tends to break after I do that.

 

I also have these issues. Everything else is stable. Some parts I need to play through in safe mode.

 

I don't think its MSAA, as I still have that setting on in Direct X 10 mode and everything works fine.

 

I too just bought Max Payne 3 and cannot play for more than 10 minutes without a crash. I've tried both 12.7 and stock Clevo drivers, both seem to have this issue. I've tried DX10 and 11 modes with no luck. Has anyone stumbled upon a fix for this?

 

Yeah disable AA and enable FXAA.

Not had a single crash since I did that.

 

FXAA caused the game to crash for me as soon as I continued a game. I disabled all AA, and seem to be running fine so far. Prior to this I was running stock drivers with no MSAA but with FXAA I was able to play for quite some time without crashing, however, in another thread I responded to this same setup had crashed at one point, but didn't in subsequent sessions.

 

I have not had any crashes in any games that I play. I used the stock drivers for awhile and moved to the 12.7 beta ones by force installing them on top of the cd ones (just the display).

Metro 2033, Civ 5, Anno and Saints Row 3. As far as I know they all support 11 and I haven't had an issue running them as such (Though Metro is hyper intensive, I haven't got much playing time in it just some running around to see how it looked).

The driver support is 100% hit or miss. I have had crashes with Civ 5 on other cards in Dx11, but so far I am immune to it. I might have just gotten a good card, or maybe I am just lucky.

I did have the display driver crash on me once before I rolled up to the 12.7s, but my over clocks was like 1050 and 1500, so I just assumed I was clocked unstably (since 12.7 and backing the clocks down I have had no issues.) I hope this helps someone.

 

i dont really get crashes in other games either, Max Payne 3 on the other hand crashes near constantly.

 

i tried the driver posted on this thread: http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/678948-new-switchable-graphics-options-ccc.html

since then has not crashed anymore...

I also changed the directx from 11 to 9 and the FPS drops just stopped

 

Same! Indeed enduro/ati drivers have some issues with directx 11 & 10 :S

Best Regards to all

 

It's posts like this that ruin this community.... back than I was trying to do the right thing and warn people in advance of all the 7970m problems.... soo many like this guy didn't want to listen and proceeded to flame me....

What say ye now?

 

Max Payne 3 has problems, it's the game. 7970 doesn't have problems (aside from Enduro anyway). To get MP3 to run stable, disable all but 2 cores.

Why bump your old thread up just to troll?

 

Max Payne 3 has several issues. Its just that all these issues seem to couple with the issues of the AMD 7970m and escalate to a higher level. So its a bit of both. As for now its best advisable for each of you to try out different settings w.r.t MSAA, AA and DX version and check out which combination works out best for you. Or you can safely set aside this game for a while and come back to it once there is better support.

I have noticed this is quite a few games. Batman Arkham city in DX 11 was terrible. The fps drops were huge but would settle after some time. This was an issue with the game and not with the respective card.

I believe Max Payne 3 too is still not completely ready for Dx 11. But it will be soon. Most of the new games are all filled with bugs and issues. Darksiders II has game breaking bugs and also the graphics settings were not working as expected. So the best thing to do would be to switch to another game and wait for better support.

I have played Crysis, Crysis warhead, Crysis 2, Witcher II, F1 2011, Assassins creed Brother hood, Revelations, Darksiders II, May Payne 3 etc on the 7970m. I had a few issues with Crysis and that was acceptable as it was a pretty old game. War head was fine. Crysis 2 seems good enough. Witcher II was fine with motion blur and uber sampling off on stock drivers. Darsiders II no sweat. Max Payne 3 was perfect with FSAA off and rest all max up until it crashed at chapter 11. At this point the game would crash no matter how many times I played it. I sadly had to restart. So I guess I will be reverting to different settings and figuring out the best option to finish the game. In due course of time once the game has been stabilised I ll be in a better position to judge if I face any issues because of my card/drivers.

So as for now just play some other game. I am sure there are so may games out there. There is no point in flaming or getting really pissed over this. Yes our laptops are pretty expensive. Yes we expected it to be perfect. But things just dint turn out that good. But I still do believe it is worth our money. I dont accept what some people have to say when they say this card is utter crap or it has to be changed. I still think this is a wonderful purchase. Its just that we were so hyped by its performance before it came out that now when we find some faults we find it difficult to digest.

I believe the issues will be addressed in time. But till then its not like I have to sit idle. The card still plays most of the games out there flawlessly provided the game themselves are proper. If people can not muster the patience to wait and they have the cash to spend on another more expensive card then by all means they can upgrade. But for people who dont have the cash or who cannot justify the price difference for an upgrade, the best thing to do would be to play some other games and wait till the games are patched. And hopefully in the mean time the drivers will also be fixed. At least a few things if not all. For those who can neither justify the upgrade nor muster the patience I can only feel sorry.

 

Come again? What bugs? Aside from a random glitch I got (which happens on all systems, not just PC) where transformed Death stayed around even after turning back, I had no issues at all.

Edit: and like I said with my post above yours, set Max Payne 3 to run on 2 cores. No more crashing. Finished the game without a single crash after I did that when it would crash pretty much every other cutscene.

 

If you really want to know then the phase walker does not work after you get it from Liril. Also death mode wouldnt activate properly on pressing the respective keys (V). These are issues that Vigil themselves have accepted. The reaper form bug was already addressed in patch II and the phase walker bug and more others are being worked upon in the patch III.