Reliability of Sager? It's Invisible..

Student. I'll let him say where.

 

For what it's worth, my experience:

Before buying my m570ru-u (Bought from M-Tech, assembled by Pro-star, the Clevo M570RU-U), I'd never heard of Clevo, Sager, or any other similar reseller.

I was looking to purchase a notebook - my first, after decades of assorted desktops. My wife has a Dell with which she's very happy - it works well for her, as a low end system. She's just into basic web stuff, photo editing and the like, and it does a fantastic job of that.

I contemplated a Dell first - because they are so well known, easy to shop for. However, particularly at the time, Dell simply didn't offer anything really capable of powering high end games. They added support for the 8800M GTX later in their XPS models mirroring the m570ru and d901c's, but it wasn't available at the time.

My search then extended to "gaming notebooks" as I was looking for a true desktop replacement. First, of course, I found Alienware, a company I was familiar with in regards to desktops but wary of due to their "brand-pricing" - very high prices just because of the name, and I wasn't shocked when I browsed their notebooks.

The Clevo based notebooks I found later, and I too - like you - was very, very wary of them due to the lack of overall marketing.

What convinced me to try one was the people. I dealt with m-tech (Jerry); but I've seen similar results from other retailers here. From the very first time I communicated with any of them, I got top notch service from people who knew what they were talking about - and didn't try to bull**** me into buying parts I didn't need. Now, that's important to me. I'm very, very accustomed to vendors trying to "upsell" me on everything, or not really understanding what they are selling (anyone been to a big box retailer lately? Yeah, like that.) I found it very reassuring that they were upfront about the downsides of the systems from the get go, such as (comparatively) loud fans, shorter battery life, crappy speakers, in addition to the upsides (very good pricing, high build quality, extremely good performance).

I shelled out a lot of money for my notebook. Unlike many, though, I do not praise something that sucks just because I spent a lot of money on it. In fact, in my life, there are only two products I've spent more than $1000 on and have been 100% happy with: My M570RU-U and my Samsung HDTV. This makes my clevo the only computer system I have every purchased and been completely happy with, and it's definitely not the most expensive computer I've every bought.

So, I'm a Clevo fanboy now. They are not perfect - no system is - but they are exactly what they promote themselves to be: Extremely powerful, well built systems at a reasonable price.

It's important to realize the number of units sold, and the quantity of marketing, have no bearing whatsoever on the quality of the product.

Clevo's are the portable PC world's best kept secret.

 

No.
Since anyone can come to this forum and look at your (currently 26) posts, and understand from that your level of knowledge and intelligence, even the minimal amount of information you're providing is helpful.
However, I'm thinking about buying a NP2096. Since it didn't come out yet, I tried looking for reviews of the NP2092/FL90, and guess that the 2096 would be similar. Guess what? The amount of reviews for the NP2092 is close to 0. So I have no way of knowing anything about the notebook, besides relying on a group of fanboys (who believe it or not, exist) on a forum.
Now, I understand that Sager/Clevo/Compal don't advertise. But there's no reason for them not to send a sample laptop to NBR, NotebookCheck, etc. for reviewing. I think this would make the decision easier for a lot of prospective buyers.

 

Me too.

 

You bet

 

Excellent explanation. Not so sure about your conclusion though. I'd think that the more you sell, the more likely you will run into problems. It's an exponential rather than linear increase.

I bet the roads are murder on your Porsche.

What happened to your old MBP anyway?

 

I strongly disagree with your assertion that there are "fanboys" on this forum. Fanboys are characterized by an irrational liking of their brand and an equally irrational dislike for the competitors of that brand. The people on this forum, whose comments helped me decide to purchase a sager, may be very enthusiastic about clevo/sager notebooks, but that enthusiasm is clearly rational and warranted. The frequent contributors to this forum that you are referring to were looking for laptops with great components and top notch build quality at a reasonable price. the clevo notebooks that are constantly being talked about on this forum are some of the only notebooks on the market that offer this. in addition, the many brands that sometimes get bashed on this forum (alienware, dell, etc.) are notorious for being overpriced and sometimes having poor build quality (or inadaquite cooling in the case of the m15x).

anyway, hope you come around =)

 

We can argue about this subject for days, and still not get anywhere. I understand why you think that there aren't fanboys here, but I disagree with you. The best solution would be what I proposed earlier - an objective review.
I don't know about you, but I have trouble spending so much money on something which has never been properly and thoroughly reviewed.

 

I suggest waiting for Chaz's review if you are unsatisfied, mind you it won't catch all of the systems downfalls that can only be determined after a lengthy period of time.

I will be posting my thoughts after I get a chance to use my machine when it arrives. It will be unbiased and I will notice loud because on my current laptop they are off most of the time and when they are on they are quiet.

 

is chaz reviewing the np2096?
i thought he only confirmed the np8660 review

 

We should make a club, F4C: Fanboys for Clevo

Fanboy
Fanatic: : marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion

boy: a: a male child from birth to adulthood b: son c: an immature male

Fanboy: : a boy who is an enthusiastic devotee

Not sure, I always thought fanboys had to do with homosexuality.
But if you want to call us fanboys, because we know the facts, and and are sold out for the best, feel free.

Fex... Nice ride haha

 

Alienware - Price = Sager

 

wrong. here is the right one:
Alienware - Price + Smarter tech support + Smater sales support + Better built quality - Lies = Sager + Flashlight

 

You forgot your grouping symbols.

Alienware - (Price + Smarter tech support + Smater sales support + Better built quality) - Lies = Sager + Flashlight

 

grouping symbols?? you think AW w/o smarter tech support (which they don't have already) will be equals sager?

you realize that if you put the grouping symbols in, they will change the + to - right?

 

That doesn't bode well for your ability to search the forums. No, the 2092 was not, by all appearances, a particularly favorite or oversubscribed model, and a lot of buyers seem to have the habit of spending every waking minute on-forum until their Clevo arrives, at which point many of them simply disappear. Take it for what it's worth - it could mean they're enraptured with the thing, it could mean that they were so disillusioned that they gave all their earthly possessions to charity and went to join a religious order with vows of silence.

However, had you been a little more diligent in searching the forum, you would have come across some of the 2092 owners who did post about problems, the biggest one apparently being heat. For example, as recently as July 13, 2008, gonwk posted a thread about high CPU/GPU temps, that concluded with him deciding to contact Sager about the GPU temps.

Then, there was a thread discussing the wireless NIC. Gonwk also posted another thread about the 2092 being slow at transcoding. Then there was a post by Qoose about a jumpy touchpad (and I know that there was at least one other thread regarding the touchpad and problems therewith).

So, the data are out there, you just have some leg-work to do to gather it yourself and analze it; of course, if all you want is the answer spoon-fed to you without effort on your part, well ....

 

You've got an awesome vocabulary shyster1

Alienware + Lies - (Price + Smarter tech support + Smarter sales support + Better built quality) = Sager + Flashlight

1A+1-(1+1+1+1) = 1S + 1F
Simplifying
A = 1S + 1F + 3

Bottom Line
A < S

 

steveninspokane you are still confusing about the +/- signs, but I am done explaining, sorry.

 

Wouldn't it be...

Alienware = Sager + Expensive Price Tag - Customer Service - Build Quality + Gimmick lights

...?

 

on the subject of alienware, i just watched die hard 4

all the hackers had alienwares, i think i'm cancelling my np8660!!

 

that's same equation as mine, but steveninspokane don't get it.

 

I didn't actually get the flashlight bit at first, but fex helped.

 

srroy, geography was never my strong point.

 

lolz, you think when show up with an alienware head, ppl think you are really a smart boy? sorry, I dont think it that way.

 

dude....sarcasm...

 

Someone is a bit to serious

 

Basically in the world of math, if you have a minus before the bracket, the pluses inside the bracket change to minuses. Forgot the reference but I think its arithmetics for Toddlers pages 2-10.

Just to be entirely clear those rules apply to standard "algebra" so to speak, so if youre talking about some other abstract algebra with re-defined addition, then my bad lol. (ie A+B != B+A in other systems)


If you remove the brackets you will Have Alienware MINUS tech support MINUS sales support etc = Sager, which implies that Alienware HAS Smarter tech AND Smarter sales support than Sager. (Equivalent statement: Alienware = Sager + Smarter tech support + Better quality)

Ive never dealt with either of the brands(planning to tho) so I cant say youre 100% wrong, however Id like to hear your justifications.

 

Flawed logic. You count "Price" as +1, and "Smarter tech support" is +1. (Which gets "converted" to -1 since theyre in brackets)

"price" in this context was a bad thing, ie being overpriced. You can change it to like "$1000" to make more sense, ie originally it was like: Alienware - $1000 = Sager.

If you still insist on brackets go like this:

Alienware - (Lies + Price) + (Smarter tech support + Smarter sales support + Better built quality) = Sager + Flashlight

 

Oh for the love of God.
This is not a versus.
Stick to the Sager thing.
A company is only as good as the support behind it.

 

ok what u said.

 

Wow. This thread makes me a sad, sad panda.

 

It's the distributive property...
The - sign gets distributed to the signs in the parentheses.

 

you guys are so lame lol.

 

Seriously tho, if I could just grasp the distributive property, than I'd probably be doing better in my algebra class right now. Be nice to find a web pae that could explain it so I could get it.

 

This thread will probably end up locked soon if they keep it up.

 

Try this webpage from Wolfram, the publisher of Mathematica, about the distributive property.

Basically, an operation is said to be distributive if the result of that operation on one or more compound operands is the same whether the operation contained in the compound operand is performed first or last.

In plain English, to use an example, if you have the operator * for multiplication, operator + for addition, three simple operands x, y, and z, and a compound operand composed of y and z such as (y+ z), then, if you want to compute the product of x*(y+z), the distibutive property of ordinary multiplication permits you to distribute the x among the components of the compound operand (y+z) before you carry out the * operation.

In other words, because ordinary multiplication is distributive, x*(y+z) gives the same result as (x*y)+(x*z), or xy + xz.

Keep in mind, tho', that I've made up some of my own labels here, such as "compound operand" - read the Mathematica article, and some of the references.

Also, here's a Wikipedia article on the distibutive property.

 

my nose started to bleed with all those equations ...
but somehow i think i have an idea of what all those equations means
w/c is the important thing ... i think