Replacing 2k display by 4k display, is that possible??

If I have a modern Clevo notebook with a 2k display, is it possible to replace it with a 4k display?

I'm thinking of the new "U" class Coffee Lake mobile CPUs. I hope there will be a Clevo notebook for these CPUs, and without a graphics card. The CPU supports 4k (eDP 1.4), and as I understand this, the 2k displays use the same 40 pin interface as the 4k displays.

 

Then you should be good to go. Whether it retains GSync capability is another matter.

 

As long as the pinouts are the same and both screens have equivalent connectors, and you can deal with potential mounting differences, I don't see why not? You will almost certainly lose GSYNC due to whitelists and red tape. I would recommend comparing data sheets to see if the pinouts are the same or similar. If they are not, you could have a custom cable made by that one site.

 

The Intel iGPU (Gen 9.5/ gen9) only supports DP 1.3.

 

eDP and DP are different standards in version number so check closely.

 

Thanks for all your replies.

G-Sync is of no importance to me, as far as I'm aware. G-Sync seems to be of interest with gaming, I don't do that. Watching a video is about the fastest thing I do on a display.

According to paragraph 2.2 of the Datasheet for these processors:

https://www.intel.com/content/dam/w...ocessor-family-s-platform-datasheet-vol-1.pdf

the IGP supports eDP 1.4.

Now I only have to wait until Clevo comes up with a new notebook for the i7-8559U

 

Seems there are very few 100% Adobe RGB displays around, I found this pdf of the AU Optronic B173ZAN01.0:

http://www.datasheetspdf.com/datasheet/download.php?id=1254098

 

Due to the expense of such a panel and the focus on other features colour accurate panels are rarer.

 

They are not that expensive, € 112 or so. Everybody has a digital camera these days, and use a PC to edit them. It is almost impossible to accurately judge colours on a non calibrated PC screen. I use a X-Rite Display colour calibrator to at least get colours that are not far too blue and too red. The difference between the colours of an non calibrated PC screen and a calibrated one is remarkable.

 

Your price and the bulk price of the OEM are usually very different. If you want to do any kind of serious editing then a calibration tool will always be a must.

 

Of course you're right with regard to the price. This € 112 is a consumer price, but look at what I have to pay for the notebook! A notebook with a high quality display may be a bit more expensive, but it is money well spend.

 

The market is price sensitive still and panels are ordered in high numbers so the demand to pay that extra has to be there. Most are more concerned with other performance metrics.

 

True, but with several Clevo notebooks you choose between different panels, two different resolutions, matte, glare etc. Can't imagine it would be difficult to add a good 4k panel.

My supplier let's you make a choice between what you want to use the notebook for, photography is one of the choices. Add the 4k 100% Adobe RGB panel for that choice, add a colour calibrator as package (just as a mouse), and you have something specifically targeted at people who want to have a notebook for photography. Can't be difficult, and isn't that much of a financial risk if it is just one of the panels you can choose.

 

All of the mid~higher end units have 2K/4K options now along with some other rare variants of res/hz it just depends on your seller and what they deem is viable for the customer base. Most of those sellers will also offer calibration services so the added cost of bundling something like an X-Rite or Spyder is not worth it because the amount they will move will be minuscule and wont net them any decent bulk/distro pricing. Tacking on 4K panel can already make the lappy cost $220+ over the 1080P model and people usually barely want to swallow that (windows display scaling still is an issue too), making a $500+ "Creative Professional" bundle makes it even worse. If someone is hyper into accurate colors for work/play there is a chance they already own a calibration tool too if it is not their first machine that they used to correct other panels they own. Bundling a mouse is more achievable because its something that moves and can be ordered in higher quantities with more meat on the bones.

Also remember Clevo is still technically a niche brand so you start making a niche within a niche. Dell for example could do those bundles no problem however because of massive buying power and spread... In the end though its just not smart to use shelf space and lock those funds away for only a handful of potential sales especially when you are a reseller. Even for the big higher in the chain sellers like XMG, Eurocom, Sager, and Pro-Star its kind of touchy~

 

The X-Rite can also be used to set the brightness of the screen in real time, depending on how bright the light in the room is.

That is odd, since I can buy a 4k 100% Adobe RGB panel for €112 , or $139, only something like $30 more then a 2k panel. Of course this is not meant as a gaming panel so perhaps gaming panels are different and more expensive.

people pay fortunes for digital cameras, and they have to use a PC to edit the pictures the took. Why should they not pay a little bit more for a PC with a good display for working on their pictures? And please, keep in mind, you do not need a very fast PC with a dedicated graphic card for using a 4k display if you're not into gaming!!

I only mentioned the mouse as an example of how you can bundle items. A mouse is far cheaper of course. You can also think of bundles with a good printer for photography, and a calibrator that can calibrate print output as well.

Sure, Clevo is a niche brand, although they seem to produce notebooks for other companies as well. However, Clevo has dozens of different notebook models, more than any other manufacturer I know. And the Clevo resellers can configure each model according to the wishes of the consumer, it's the Clevo business model !! Adding a 4k display for photography would be in line with that business model.

The bottom line is that with so many people using Photoshop, Lightroom, and other similar programs, no one can convince me that there wouldn't be a market for mid-range notebooks with a 4k 100% Adobe RGB display, and certainly not if the price of such a notebook would be very affordable. The whole PC industry is focused on gaming, as if there are no other customers. That's quite stupid, there are plenty of people not interested in gaming, they should be able to buy notebooks conforming to their interests.

 

If you're a pro needing this kind of panel, why aren't you using an external panel at office and home?

 

Any idea how expensive those panels are? A notebook is portable, such a panel is not.

And why should it be necessary? The 17.3 inch displays are there, and even quite cheap. How difficult can it be to put one in a notebook. A Clevo supplier could even advertise with them in photography magazines, and explore new markets.

 

Question:

What are the actual specs and real world stats of actual MacBook Pro displays that come from Apple? What kind of coverage are those panels rated for from the factory? Does Apple manually calibrate their screens before selling them to the end user?

 

Macs had colour calibration long before Windows could do it. Since Macs have always been strong in the publishing world, I'm quite sure the Mac displays are very good, but I don't have any specs.

 

The fact that you are asking this question tells me you aren't a professional graphic artist/photographer. Maybe in college learning how?

Pros will have very large monitors with hoods to cut out ambient light, and have calibrated high-bit color panels. (And recalibrate monthly) This way they can keep scaling at 100% and use the real estate the large screens offer.

The problem with 4K on a 17.3" panel is the scaling. You'll be using about 200%, and wasting your work area. The only real benefit of the calibrated 17" display would be for showing your work to clients or workgroups, but not for actually doing the work.

 

I never claimed to be a professional, and I'm aware that pros use large monitors. For instance a 31 inch 4k Eizo monitor with a price tag of more then $5000.

There used to be 2k 100% Adobe RGB display, but they are no longer being made. The 4k displays are the only ones left. I know about the scaling etc. , but I suppose Windows is prepared for 4k displays,

I'm doing my Photoshop one a 2k screen with something like 60% sRGB now, a 4K 100% Adobe RGB would be a very big improvement.

I suppose there is a market for theses screens, or do you assume AU Optronic is just producing them without a chance of selling them?