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    "Requires Vista 64-Bit to utilize 4GB+"

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by akstylish, Apr 20, 2009.

  1. akstylish

    akstylish Notebook Consultant

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    Here's another nub question. I'm getting xp instead of vista. Does that mean getting 4GB of RAM is useless?(assuming I won't upgrade os)
     
  2. Duct Tape Dude

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    You'll see just over 3GB in XP. So sort of, yes. Any 32-bit OS will do this, though.
     
  3. emike09

    emike09 Overclocking Champion

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    Your loosing a lot of system performance by going with XP. If you want my opinion, get no OS and download the latest build of Windows 7. Free ;)
     
  4. pbcustom98

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    xp will not see more then something like 3.25gb ram. the full 4gb ram will not be used.
     
  5. Duct Tape Dude

    Duct Tape Dude Duct Tape Dude

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    Great idea except for the part where Windows 7 expires and you must reinstall with a retail-bought OS or Linux or something.

    You won't lose much performance going from 4GB to 3GB--and usually XP is a tiny bit faster than Vista in benchmarks.
     
  6. Kevin

    Kevin Egregious

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    Current builds of 7 expire in Spring of 2010, and the next will probably be even later.
     
  7. akstylish

    akstylish Notebook Consultant

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    I just don't like x64 version...I had it on one desktop and one laptop and both had lots of problems. And the fact that x86 and x64 apps are installed in different locations.

    Btw, in what situations is 6GB+ RAM useful?
     
  8. Shyster1

    Shyster1 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Do you mean the 64-bit version of XP? If so, you're probably best off staying away from that since it never got a lot of support from vendors for stuff like good drivers.

    6GB+ RAM is really only useful for things like intensive video-editing, or if you want _Vista's superfetch function to prefetch your entire hard drive for you. :D
     
  9. akstylish

    akstylish Notebook Consultant

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    No. I meant Vista x64.

    Anyone know which version xp is that comes with a sager laptop?
     
  10. Gophn

    Gophn NBR Resident Assistant

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    its usually OEM.

    you can usually specify if you want:
    - XP Home
    - XP Professional
    - XP Media Center Edition 2005
     
  11. akstylish

    akstylish Notebook Consultant

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    I mean is it 32 or 64 bit? (Sorry for the confusion) The website doesn't say anything about it.
     
  12. Greg

    Greg Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Any XP equipped computer is going to have the 32bit version. XP x64 is a dud.
     
  13. Nirvana

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    Give me a break, loosing a lot of system performance by going with XP? Unless your programs need all 4GB ram and 64bits, which are extremely rare, XP will always on top of Vista. And I don't understand why people got all excited about Windows 7, it's still in beta stage.
     
  14. Gophn

    Gophn NBR Resident Assistant

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    I still use XP as my main OS for my systems.... regardless of the memory limitation.

    2-3GB of RAM in XP is ultra plenty.... similar to how 4GB will perform in Vista.

    less bloat, more compatibility in XP.
     
  15. flipfire

    flipfire Moderately Boss

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    Getting 4gb isnt exactly useless, you still get dual channel mode.
     
  16. Neil McRae

    Neil McRae Notebook Evangelist

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    I've been running Vista since it came out I also have to use XP on my work laptop. Whilst there are some less than ideal quirks there is absolutely no doubtt in my mind Vista is faster, more stable and all round better OS. I have never ever had a compatabilities issue and I play alot of old games.

    however as an earlier poster commented windows 7 is where it is at. For a pre-release I'm very impressed with it. Fast, reliable and again absolutely no compatability issues which amazed me.
     
  17. elbig

    elbig Notebook Enthusiast

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    Neil: Are you running Vista 32 or 64? My compatibility concerns are with 64. I am hoping that by now that is no longer a big issue.
     
  18. pmassey31545

    pmassey31545 Whats the mission sir?

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    I have run Vista for well over a year. Started with 32 bit for about 1 1/2 years the bought a new lappy in Feb. and since have been running Vista 64 on it. No major problems here. I've found a few(2-3) freeware apps that won't work because of compatibility, but thats it. I have 4Gb RAM and this OS is very fast so far and very stable. I was hardline when Vista came out and stuck with XP, but once I really started using Vista, I found it was much better(at least in my mind). PLus XP is going down. Check this- http://www.microsoft.com/oem/english/content/software/XPEOL.mspx Hope this helps out. Long and short of it, go with Vista, x64 if you can
     
  19. Neil McRae

    Neil McRae Notebook Evangelist

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    yup 64bit 10char
     
  20. emike09

    emike09 Overclocking Champion

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    I'm tellin ya, Win 7 x64 is where its at. I'll even send you a link to my server so you can download the latest build. When it expires in Apr 2010, just redo the system. Its wise to redo it every 9-12 months anyways. x64 is beginning to receive more attention from developers and driver makers than x86. I can't think of a single piece of modern hardware that doesn't support x64. Even cheap $450 HP laptops are coming with x64 preinstalled.

    Windows 7 beats XP in EVERY benchmark. Give build 7077 x64 a try and you'll see exactly why people get excited about it. I think the biggest reason anybody wouldn't leave from XP is because they are afraid of making a change from something they have become accustomed to. Other than that, it just doesn't make sense to purchase an inferior OS.

    The following article gives an idea comparing XP to Vista SP1, Win7 7000 x86/x64, and Win7 7048. Keep in mind that Win7 Build 7077 offers thousands of changes from Build 7048.

    http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=3789&page=2
     
  21. akstylish

    akstylish Notebook Consultant

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    Sorry for going off-topic, but how's windows 7's compatibility compared to xp's? I asked about it in windows 7 forum but no one replied.
     
  22. Gophn

    Gophn NBR Resident Assistant

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    Windows 7 compatibility is near identical to Windows Vista.
     
  23. rsgeiger

    rsgeiger Notebook Evangelist

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    For me, I personally use Windows Server 2008 x64. This is my golden OS. I know people will say that it is just Vista x64 with server apps included, but it really isnt the case. Server OSs really are more stable overal, the UAC in this OS is perfectly balanced (only one warning to check if you want to install something), and all the extras are turned off until you say to turn them on. Plus, for 240 days it is free. After that reinstall windows for another 240 days, buy it, or decide if you need another os.
     
  24. emike09

    emike09 Overclocking Champion

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    ^^ I agree with WS 2008 x64. Very stable and reliable OS. I found it performed just slightly slower in games, but slightly better in pro apps. Good OS all around.
     
  25. Nirvana

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    Now you are trying to shift the topic. I don't know about windows 7 but I did had Vista ultimate 64bits for a month then went back to XP. And I think it's absolutely an idiot move if you use a beta OS on your primary system.

    ps. I was one of the Vista beta testers 5 years ago, so no, I am not afraid to try out the new things.
     
  26. emike09

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    The meaning of the OP's thread was what OS to go with; whether 64-bit was worth it, whether XP or Vista had advantages from each other. I'm simply offering him alternatives to improve the experience of using his new system. NOT shifting the topic. When did you use Vista x64? If you've used it since SP1, you might think different about the OS, unless you just don't want to learn a new OS.
     
  27. Nirvana

    Nirvana Notebook Prophet

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    Do you have trouble on reading? Because he obvious said "assuming I won't upgrade os" in the very first post. Are you gonna responsible for his losses if something went wrong due the all different kinds of beta bugs? You want to try out the new things, good for you, but don't recommend it to regular users unless the product is finalized. To your question, my 5793 was bought after SP2 came out.
     
  28. emike09

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    Beta bugs? There are none. Stop talking about an OS you obviously know absolutely nothing about. This isn't Vista Beta.

    Just giving the OP a second look on not going with XP. Its liky buying a brand new lexus and putting an old engine on it because your used to a crappy engine.
     
  29. Nirvana

    Nirvana Notebook Prophet

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    Of course Windows 7 has no bugs. This is totally Microsoft's fault for calling it "beta'".
     
  30. akstylish

    akstylish Notebook Consultant

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    Well then XP is still worth keeping. There are tons of old games I'd like to play, which I can't in Vista.