SLI MSI 1070 MXM in P370EM... An adventure

Fire Strike graphics score is +40% and Time Spy graphics score is +60% compared to my oc 980m SLI.
That would be worthy upgrade. Now I hope your screen upgrade goes smoothly

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Bit of a GPU OC, +250 core +500 mem, FS Ultra 7861
#2 FS Ultra score with 1070 SLI

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/13040495

If only it could validate.

Max fans, bloody loud but CPU + master max on these short runs at low 60s, slave in mid 60s

 

Combined score.

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I meant which of the 4 listed combined scores, FS, FSE, FSU, or TS? Can you link your single gpu score you're talking about?

 

Combined score for FS standard.

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12996188

The graphics score is way better obviously but I think the combined score is being dragged down by the physics score. But then I am using a higher thank stock TDP so that might have factored into the score as well.

Stock clocks with the modded TDP scored about 15808 in FS standard.
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/13030496

+130 to the core with a stock vBIOS of 115W scored less.
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11544953

So I do feel that the extra power draw is improving the combined score. To be sure I'd have to flash the stock vBIOS again and retest for driver consistency. But that's my hunch.

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Max fans, a few of the standard mods on the stupid gaps everywhere around the fans and grilles, and with the bottom case off I saw GPU temps stabilise around 63C/69C overnight (eth mining, -200/+675). As soon as I put the case back on temps went up a few degrees so next I think I'll get ahold of some fine mesh and cut sections of the bottom to give the fans less restrictive intakes




I experimented with a strip of thermal pad between the slave gpu grill and the small cpu one to see if some of the heat would get to the (stone cold) top part, it does nothing

 

Expanding foam would be cool but probably hard to manage.

 

Finally figured out how to get 3dm11 working, have to directly run the 32 bit .exe outside of steam

3DMark11 Score
18587
Graphics Score
37916
Physics Score
7466
Combined Score
7180
Graphics Test 1
128.72 fps
Graphics Test 2
220.65 fps
Graphics Test 3
283.74 fps
Graphics Test 4
118.5 fps
Physics Test
23.7 fps
Combined Test
33.4 fps

The CPU physics/combined scores 1/3rd lower than [email protected], definitely holding it back the GPUs were stuck at 80-90% and 80-100W on GT1 and GT4 and down to 30-40W on Combined. Non-CPU limited tests (GT2/GT3) where both GPUs were constant 100%/115W show +65% over the overclocked 980Ms

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/12264408/3dm11/11944730

TL;DR CPU/DDR3 is really holding it back in synthetics, even at stock power limit.

Also BCLK in Intel XTU seems not to stick. Never changes from 99.8MHz

 

No way the GPU should be held back that much on those with the GPU tests though the benchmark is pretty old now. Try downclocking the 6700K for an interesting comparison.

 

physics score should be at least double. so it could be something in the bios causing the low score.

 

It's pretty much in line with 3740QM scores. Plus I've only got standard CL11 1600mhz ram, the 3940XM's scoring up near 10000 physics are 4.3ghz+ and have 2133mhz (running at godknowswhat OC) according to Systeminfo

The edp panel+cable are the last I'm spending on this exercise. An XM and fast DDR3 is not something I'll be spending on. It's just a holdover until I can rebuild my P870DM

the guy I sent my mobo to has changed his mind after sitting on it for a month and now it's not repairable (@*&%&@*)*)@ what a waste of time.

Anyway GTA5 fiiiiiiiinally finished downloading so I'll see what it can do in a real game.

 

you can get 60fps easy. I can get 1080p60 with just 1 1070.

 

Good afternoon, I want in the r370em with 3D matretsy to deliver 1070 how at you, will work at my matrix? you will help?

 

Everything I did is in the first few posts

If you have a 3D display already you will be able to skip some of the steps

 

И Bios VBios? And what drivers have put?

 

We just finalized testing of single GTX 1060 in P370EM3 - over 100FPS in Heaven 4. Only small heatsink mod is needed. EM3 is eDP model with 120Hz panel.

 

I see it's an available upgrade kit for the p370em on the site. Is that for reals? Will it likely extend to gtx 1070's? Is it weird that I obsess over keeping the same laptop from 2012 for as many years as I can and constantly upgrading it? So many questions...

 

not without some serious case modding.

 

I'm open to that. I'm a Jeweller after all...eurocom's upgrade pages for the p370em suggest 1070 upgrade is possible with only additional modded drivers, but currently they only have 1060 upgrade kit for sale...

 

Yes it is real - you just need to have eDP LCD panel in your P370EM model ie 120Hz panel. We will also offer GTX 1070 and 1080 standard MXM 3.0b cards that wil fit into P370EM model. We already offer gtx 1060 for P570WM model.

 

could you make a video about p370em upgrade with gtx1060/1070/1080? are these gtx1060/1070/1080 msi cards?

 

Gtx 1060 is MSI card but 1070 and 1080 are going to be Eurocom specific. We will make video once we complete testing of few other models. We are willing to offfer special price on 1060 cards to these that would like to upgrade and do upgrade videos.

 

Thanks for these infos! this is a good news for many people
I will add your videos here. videos are really useful IMO
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/successful-mxm-gpu-upgraded-laptops.805136/

 

And there you have it. I will have my laptop forever. Good job eurocom, I for one am impressed.

Just to push the envelope: sli???

Pls.

 

They will be true standard mxm 3.0b size not a weird size? Also, I'm assuming they will also work in Alienware 17 3D display and M18xR2 using optimus since MSI 1060 works in both machines.

 

Yes I have an email that they will supposed to be out in late August from Eurocom, and then we'll (and hope I) try them out!

 

BTW this is better suited to the MXM 3.0b discussion thread

 

bennyg, what kind of BIOS and vBIOS you are using?

 

Prema BIOS v2 for P370EM/NP9370, the filename on the zipfile is P370EM_08_09_PM_v2
vBIOS is stock that came with the cards, I dumped it with a programmer and posted it earlier in the thread on 2nd page IIRC

 

Sorry! Am looking forward to you getting the 120hz panel in. I suppose that will be easy install? I see they're only about $100 US...

 

No biggy, I wasn't having a go, just suggesting it belongs in a bigger general thread.

Ill post up how my 120hz install goes once the panel and cable arrive (I'll also be bios modding and flashing at the same time)

 

Panel has arrived, cable on its way. It is the TFB1 version as I ordered, connector looks like it's in the right place

1080p60 is utterly wasted on this setup, GTA5 runs completely maxed with the GPUs at 30-40%, most of the time downclocked to around 900-1000MHz

All versions of nvflash I have found are being a pain, -6 doesn't get past device ID incompatibility error.

Currently shows as 10DE,1BA1,1558.0371
vBIOSes I want to flash are 10DE,1BE1,1462.11FF, signed MSI versions, 86.04.5B.00.3A and the .8A which disables Boost 3.0

FYI, saved vBIOS information is 10DE,1BA1,1462.11C2, 86.04.25.00.41
(1462.11C2 shows up absolutely nowhere, I assume it's G65VR)

It would be nice to know the stock vBIOSes work to save extra disassemble/hardware flash/reassemble cycles

 

Use a chip programmer.

 

Can you please use imgur instead of photobucket please?

 

1BA1 = Gsync version
1BE1 = non-Gsync
why do you want a non-G version?

 

I'm aware of the 3rd party bandwidth issue I will get around to uploading everything on a different hoster soon.

I'm not sure where you get that info from, the vBIOS are for 1070's in the GT73VR - every one of the various screen options it comes with are gsync

Also the P370EM is a 2012 model - pre-gsync - the only relevant point here is whether it works or not (and when I get to VBIOS editing I'd rather start with the latest version)

 

For example:
970M with Gsync = 1618
970M with no-G = 13D8
980M G = 1617
980M no-G= 13D7
1060 G = 1C60
1060 no-G =1C20

at least for these i'm sure the ID meant whether they comes with Gsync or not.
i have a GTX 980 mobile (161A Gsync, i can use a 13DA non-gsync version and there would be no Gsync option in NVIDIA control)

But ya, i dont think P370EM supports Gsync anyways, so it probably doesnt matter

 

Yes the P370EM will never driver sign properly.

 

Ugh. Tried flashing the vbios to the official MSI version 86.04.42.00.03 (latest I could find for 1BA1 1070) using the latest nvflash 5.370 (not the OEM stripped nvflash included with the firmware does that make a difference?)

Couldn't install drivers even after a complete scrub with DDU. Did a --compare with the rom file written - mismatch at the same offset in both GPUs.

Wrote the original BIOS file back to each GPU - mismatch again at a certain offset on each compared to the rom just written to each card! - but the original drivers installed again ok.

Looks like I wasted the time spent trying to save time ... I'll just have to manually flash with a programmer each time anyway

Hopefully an edited version of that vBIOS flashed by programmer works so I have upped power limits and unlocked power/temp sliders

 

the temp slider doesn't work still. only the power slider works.

 

ok. at least that's the more important of the two

 

Temp control has a lot of other factors than just changing a value. I believe @Coolane is still figuring that bit out.

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I've been getting some random reboots in gta5. A couple of days ago I put some more liquid metal on the gpus and that stopped it for a while. I ran it overnight mining with no crash. Then yesterday it started again.

I'm suspecting the SLI cable is damaged. Near the slave card connector it looks like its been wedged between the heatpipes and the small inductor (1R5) just under it.

Last night it was happening within 30 seconds of in game. I disabled sli, still happened. Pulled it to bits and saw the marks on the cable (see pic). Its not pierced or kinked very much, but it is showing signs its a bit damaged.

I bent the slave heatpipes upwards a bit to give some clearance (then down at the other end so the cpu grill pushing on it didnt mess up the core heatplate contact) and put a few thin slivers of foam around and it seemed to work for about 5 hours straight, then I just got another black screen crash.

Hmmm

 

The other thought is maybe these gpus are the early rev I heard something about having issues with turbo boost. I'll try at some point the 8A vbios that disabled TB3.0 for MSI users who encountered the issue. But for now locking to a set point in the volt/freq AB curve is how I'll test that

 

@bennyg 1BA1 is a non-gsync GTX1070 1BE1 is a gsync GTX 1070 GT65VR GTX 1070's when in laptops will display the following ID 10DE 1BA1 0000 0000 flashing a GT62VR GTX 1070 Non-Gsync vbios will then change it to 10DE 1BA1 1462 11FF

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You could try running each card individually to at least rule the cards out.

 

Not correct.

If you look at the pics in the first couple of posts (that are down due to a 3rd party hosting block on photobucket - I'm relinking after they upload to imgur) you'll see what GPUz reported on the stock G65VR vBIOS these cards came with (and still run on). 10DE-1BA1-1558-0371 with 15580371 being the chassis (P370EM) - put this exact same card in another model and that will change

Community edited vBIOS usually have the subsystem ID set to 10DE-0000. Stock vBIOS have the subsystem ID set to the target chassis so nvflash doesn't need any overrides.

The stock vBIOS on these cards had subsys 10DE-1BA1-1462-11C2.

10DE-1BA1-1462-11FF is what's in the vBIOSes I downloaded for the GT62VR-1070 (which didn't flash properly onto my cards with nvflash)

So far.

1070 in SLI, set at stock speeds.
GTA5 benchmark crashed repeatedly
ethminer worked fine overnight, temps same as usual ~70C/80C
Couple of days later - GTA5 started crashing in game - progressing to almost immediately upon entering 3d
Disabled SLI
GTA5 still crashed (albeit after a minute or two)
Pulled GPU heatsinks off. Reseated master GPU. Left cable off
GTA5 fine for hours
Reattached SLI cable, reenabled SLI
GTA crash after 30mins
Locked GPU to 1500mhz/0.8V (no turboboost)
GTA5 fine for hours
Currently I am slowly increasing core speed/volt, currently at 1750mhz/0.85V (no TB) - FS completed fine, and is running much cooler and quieter (max temps during FS run were 59C/65C) and no crashes yet

Not really A-B single variable testing, but I actually needed some time off from a RL week full of stress I needed to do some speeding around shooting at cops

 

so i guess it just works in single GPU mode then.

 

its fine in SLI so far at a locked 1750mhz/0.85V both in game (at 30-40% avg utilisation) and it completed a full FS fine too

 

if that's the case then I think the crashes are game specific and not hardware related.