Sager 15.4" notebook /w 8800m GTS?

Warning! Speculation alert!

Alienware has a 15.4 inch notebook with the 8800m, so we know it's possible to fit that chip in ~15" models.
( ---> http://www.alienware.com/product_pages/notebook_m15x.aspx?source=ECH0026 )

Gateway* has a 17 inch notebook with the 8800m GTS for <$1400 (on sale at BB for ~$1250, in fact), so we know the 8800m GTS can't be too expensive.
( see review here ---> http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=206261 )
( link to BB page ----> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8651167&type=product&id=1195599780039 )

Thus ....maybe a Sager 15.4" model /w the 8800M GTS in the ~$1500 price range is on the horizon?

An updated version of the 2090, perhaps?


Or am I deluding myself with wishful thinking?

thoughts?

 

Just a quick note - its a Gateway, not an HP...Giving credit where credit is due. I would think that other manufacturers are watching to see how popular the m15x is and how it does and then if it makes sense to them, they'll get it in a 15" form factor too.

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Whoops! Mistake corrected, thanks for pointing that out.

 

i wanna know da same thing

 

The M15x, while having a 15.4" screen, will not be the same size physically as an NP2090, that I'm pretty damn sure of. Alienware had to have made concessions in the design regarding the high heat and power output of the 8800M, which is the reason why such high-end cards largely (if not, any) fail to exist in 15.4" notebooks.

I wouldn't expect miracles, to be honest.

 

I wouldn't call that a big laptop:
* Height: 1.30”
* Width: 14.55”
* Depth: 10.73”
* Weight: 7 lbs
Anyway, you can all dream (me included) of a new Clevo/Compal, but that's probably not going to happen anytime soon.
PS: I don't understand why people call it Sager when it's not.

 

Hm. Well, I'd be happy with any 15.4 inch model from a reputable dealer/manufacturer (good point regarding Sager, since they don't actually manufacture notebooks) that has a 8800m GTS and has a reasonable price tag ($1400 - 1600, in my case). Alienware computers will always be absurdly expensive, imo, you're paying for the name and style. It seems like it's inevitable that someone will make one, given the examples in my first post...I guess we'll see

Here's to hoping though!

 

Alienware is not bad now and in my opinion the M17x is way better than the Sager NP9262. Same may be said for the Sager NP5791 which is so dumbed down compared to the M17x.

 

"Dumbed down" ?

What exactly does the Alienware have that the sager does not?

The only substantial feature I can think of is the smartbay (which is pretty cool, I'll admit). I couldn't care less about goofy lighting / alien stickers; I guess if that's your thing, the Alienware is for you.

EDIT: Playing around with configuration tools on xoticpc.com and Alienware's site, identical configurations between Sager and Alienware notebooks end up with the Alienware costing about $600-800 more...you're paying for the name and look with AW, it's a huge waste of money imo (unless appearence is that important to you).

No thanks, I'll wait for a Compal or something similar.

 

It's dumbed down because M17x can hold three (one in the smart bay) HDDs and SLI, while the Clevo can only take one HDD and a single video card at the same size & weight. That's what I meant.
Remember than at the moment the M15x is the only 15" with something like a 8700M GT/8800M GTX card inside. That's ****ing awesome.
You can't compare it to others and that's a fact.
Second, M17x is not available yet so nobody knows the pricing.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong(which I hope I'm not, because I own a 9262), but doesn't the Clevo hold 3 HDDs and have SLI capability with the 8800? The only true downside I see is that the 9262 weighs more, but I'll take the extra weight if it means I don't have to look at aliens every day. Also, the m17x is being advertised with 667mhz DDR2, but the 9262 uses 800mhz DDR2.

Edit: I know you're talking about 15" models here, but you've mentioned the m17x, so I assume you're comparing that to the 9262, because comparing it to a 15" Clevo wouldn't make sense.

 

Yes, for 4 more lbs and a huge size. Size per size M17x equals to M571RU-U. Clevo doesn't really have a 15" now. I was referring to the model above.
800 Mhz vs 667 Mhz = close to 0 performance difference. This is marketing bull****ting people.
I was saying that the M15x is the greatest 15" one can buy. That's it. And that the D901C needs lots of improvement when it comes to size and dimensions. Same goes for M571RU-U's capabilities. Lately it seems to me that Clevo only makes decent notebooks, not really great ones. I mean, yeah, you can have a desktop CPU inside a mini-desktop, but that's about it. You can get SLI and more than one HDD in other laptops, without breaking your back. This is one of the main reasons people are ignoring these kind of laptops. Awesome hardware achievements in too big packages. The price is close to great though .

 

Noone expects a nb w/ desktop QC support to be less than Giant btw. 10 pounds in enough to brteak someones back, so i dont understand who would travel w/ m17x anyways. Furthermore, you are saved from AW's horrific support. Not to speak of Clevo's great build quality compared to the AW.

 

Not so sure about build quality. Have you seen the M9750? I've read multiple reviews (including this one here and NotebookCheck's) saying that it has a great build. It's better than Clevo's in my opinion.
I believe the Clevo is something like 15 - 16 lbs, realistically speaking (including the power brick), while Alienware roughly 11 - 12.

 

Sure it's awesome. But it's overpriced, like everything Alienware sells.

The Gateway P-16831fx is selling for $1250, versus the M15x's ~$2650 baseline configuration (/w the geforce 8800m GTX). What are you really getting for that extra cash? A faster processor and video card, and a smaller form factor, yes....but also, much less hard drive space, and less RAM.

Thus, my point isn't "see, the m15x isn't worth the money!" Obviously, if you need a high-powered 15-inch notebook NOW and have the cash, it's worth the money.

My point is, given what we know about the m15x and gateway P-16831fx, it SHOULD be possible for a manufacturer like Compal or Clevo to make basically the same product (minus the flashiness/lights/alien stickers, and with a Geforce 8800m GTS instead of the GTX) for much less than a $2650 baseline configuration.

Will they? Who knows.

In my case, a 17 inch notebook just isn't practical, and anything above $2k is completely out of my price range, thus the reason I'm holding out. We haven't seen many products with the Geforce 8800M GTS yet, so it's hard to gauge what the pricing will be like.

 

From a review of the NP9262 in this forum:
"
This laptop is heavy, 11 pounds 12.5 ounces to be exact...

The power supply weighs in at 2 pounds 11 ounces...
"

You're also comparing the NP9262 -- a notebook which supports the Geforce 8800m GTX -- to Alienware's m9750, which only supports the geforce 8700gt (in single or SLI mode)...plus Alienware won't/can't build the 9750 with quad-core processors, another feature the NP9262 has. Seems a bit unfair to complain about an extra 1 or 2 pounds, given these facts.

Regarding build quality, the NP9262 reviewer also said:
"
The build quality of this laptop, in my opinion, surpasses everything that I have ever laid my hands on. Picking it up feels solid, you don’t feel any kind of flex in the chassis. There is negligible keyboard flex, in other words, you can only flex it if you are really trying to.
"

link to review --- > http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=211255


Meh, I don't want this to totally degenerate into an Alienware vs Clevo/Compal fanboi war (if it hasn't already ). Alienware makes some quality products, I'm not disputing that...just pointing out that the Clevo/Compal products are often very close in specs/quality, and usually come at a much lower price tag for the same tech.

 

I was comparing it to the M9750 because it's the last laptop from Alienware that someone has an in-depth review on. Supposedly it will have 8800M GTX SLI, but who cares? I said something about it just because M17x is going to be better (though it doesn't have a proven quality build, just have to assume here).
The reviewer doesn't do reviews all day long and quite frankly his comments are honest and I do believe him, but as he says, it's the best he ever got hold off. I'm not suggesting that an Alienware would be better, all I'm saying is that it's not right to say it has a lower build quality.
Lower price tag, yes. That I have to agree. In terms of gaming notebooks Alienware will always be first, due to the fact that people recognize it as a brand and that it feels cool and right. Many people considered a D901C, but when they saw how thick and heavy it is, they turned to something else. Some time ago I tried to convince someone to buy a Sager NP579x and in the end that person bought an Alienware just because it was the same weight and dimensions, looked better and had more expansion possibilities. All I'm saying is that Clevo can do better and it will, otherwise it will have to settle as an "underground" gaming laptop manufacturer, which isn't so bad, but everyone wants to go mainstream (more dough).
When I want to buy something I usually have a long term use in mind and don't settle for cheap stuff. Considering the fact that Alienware carries pick-up and return along with the warranty (EU) is a big plus and this makes me reconsider stuff. This however is not to be taken as a subjective argument. My main disappointment about Alienware is the fact that whenever a new generation of CPUs come out, they're one behind (currently Penryn is not supported) and when you want it to last a long time you always want the best you can buy at the moment.
Also, stop comparing 15" to 17" laptops, even though they share the same card. When you're alone on the market you can afford making people pay a premium on your stuff. Microsoft can do that, why can't Dellienware?
This started from a 15" laptop that Sager should/might/could/will carry. Yes, I'm sure there will be one, as there will be a huge demand and Sager is known for having the latest technology out quite soon (well, 90% through Clevo).
I bet Alienware sales of the M15x will top the ones for the M17x. This is a gap that has now been filled and people really have a proper 15" gaming laptop.
I believe that this is going to be my last post here talking too much about Alienware (I'm not trying to promote them, just trying to give a hand in making Clevos better, even if it's silly to think about it), as this is the Sager and Clevo forum and I'm starting to be very rude.
PS: I managed to write more than two lines...cool.

 

Well, I handled both the m570ru and the 9750 up close, did some tests and so on (now i own the clevo) and I can say Clevo has the better build quality by far.

EDIT: Sorry, ti was supposed 2 say I handled not if handled.

 

Well thought-out post btw, interesting comments.

 

hkman, yes, but I've read about some paint job problems which concerned me a little (considering if there are problems when you get it, imagine after a year) with the orange one. Anyway, I've read about Clevo having a lower build quality, which led (and still does) into thinking it needs some improvements (and I'm right, because they modified the cooling system).