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    Sager 8690 1600x900 Screen Quality?

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by rixhobbies, Oct 28, 2009.

  1. rixhobbies

    rixhobbies Notebook Consultant

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    The Sager 8690 comes with the 1600x900 screen by default. There are plenty of reports on the 1920x1080 screen quality but not much for the 1600x900 screen.

    Can anyone with 1600x900 screen share their opinions on the viewing angles, black levels, brightness and gaming performance?

    Thanks!
     
  2. BrandonSi

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    When the one I just ordered arrives (hopefully next week) I'll let you know.. I think everyone else here who ordered the 8690 got the 1920x1080.
     
  3. Prophex

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    When mine arrives, I'll be posting some pics aswell, but that won't be before next week either. :'(
     
  4. BrandonSi

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    It's a race! :D
     
  5. rixhobbies

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    I guess it hasn't been a popular screen choice. It would seem to be a good res for a 15.6" screen, so long as the buyer isn't looking for 1080p BD playback (which I wonder how noticeable it would really be on a small screen like that).

    I definately look forward to your feedback when you get your units, or anyone else who might have already bought the laptop with this screen.

    I did find one post from someone who received the screen by accident and gave it praise.
     
  6. rixhobbies

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    Does anyone at least know who makes the 1600x900 screen?
     
  7. IKAS V

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    From what I can tell it's also AU.
     
  8. brianvp

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    Yah from what I have read, the 1600x900 screen was a different result in tests compared to the 1080p screen.
     
  9. BrandonSi

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    No tracking number yet on the order, by my paypal payment is scheduled to clear on Monday. The 1920 screen would be nice, but I'm bordering on old-person eyesight, and if I want to watch a blu-ray, I'll do it on my TV, not my laptop. Will definitely share the panel info when I get it..
     
  10. rixhobbies

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    Do you by any chance have any links? I haven't been able to find anything on the 1600x900.
     
  11. rixhobbies

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    I agree and I probably won't order one with a BD. 1600x900 "should" be an ideal res for a 15.4" screen, with the 1920x1080 screen being idea for those who plan to watch 1080p movies.

    But if I'm missing something, I'd love to hear other perspectives or experience!
     
  12. Padmé

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    <style class='Hidden'>That screen is great</style>
     
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  13. spybenj

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    I want to play CSS at 1900x1080 so thats why I got it
    I also enjoy 1650x1050 which I can downscale to on the 1900x1080
     
  14. BrandonSi

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    Yep, one of the main reasons I'm getting the 1920x1080 on the W870CU (I can handle 1920x1080 on a 17" screen, not 15")! I hope I can play CSS well at that resolution, I'm so used to playing it at 1280x1024.. Might take some getting used to!

    I will of course try it out on the W860CU when it arrives and see how it looks at 1600x900. Can't wait to do that little internal FPS benchmark CSS has (don't tell me your score, I want it to be a surprise :) ). Right now my current laptop at low settings on 1280x1024 gets all of 50fps. :(
     
  15. spybenj

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    My old laptop at 1024x800 on all low got 20fps :(
    My guess is maxed out 1900x1080 100+fps :)
     
  16. Kevin

    Kevin Egregious

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    Please say 19 20x1080 after this point. Change your sig too.
     
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  17. spybenj

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    kk
    20charrule
     
  18. QuackDuck

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    he is subtracting dead pixels... :D

    EDIT: wait a second.. if -20 then when 1900 its 1900x1060
     
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  19. Soviet Sunrise

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    Should have gotten that zero dead pixel warranty.
     
  20. brianvp

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    I wonder if there are solid statistics on the dead pixel thing. What are the chances of having a dead pixel with a month? Is it enough to pay $200 for?
     
  21. BrandonSi

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    Good question.. I could imagine it's a very annoying problem to have. $200 for it though? I'm not sure.

    I've owned 4-5 different digital camera, 3 different laptops, 6 LCD monitors (counting the ones at my office) and I've seen 1 "dead" pixel out of all those. It eventually came back to life, so I guess it was just a stuck pixel.

    I'm sure there's horror stories of the guy who got a whole row of dead pixels on every monitor he ever owned, but for me, I'll take my chances.
     
  22. Prophex

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    That would be me. :D

    I don't buy monitors anymore without having some sort of pixel warranty.
     
  23. brianvp

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    Well I go through PcTorque for my laptops, and they offer a 30 day no questions asked return policy, now I don't know if they would charge for a dead pixel, but the Sager 1 yr parts/labor wouldn't cover a pixel malfunction??? That seems like their problem, and not the consumer wouldn't it? If my GPU blows a lid a week after having a laptop, they would replace that GPU, yet why not a LCD panel?
     
  24. Donald@Paladin44

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    Dead pixels and stuck sub-pixels are a result of LCD technology…it isn’t a perfect science. It is much less of a concern today than it used to be because the technology has improved so much.

    There are 6,220,800 sub-pixels on a 1920x1080 screen, so 1-5 stuck sub-pixels is really quite understandable. The defective pixel policy for Sager computers is the best in the industry. If you have more than 5 dead pixels or stuck sub-pixels, or even one in the center square (#) of your screen it is a warranty issue and will be replaced.

    If you have fewer than this and decide return it for exchange under the 30 Day Total Satisfaction Guarantee there is no guarantee that you will get a screen with no dead pixels or stuck sub-pixels unless you purchase the No Dead Pixel guarantee on your exchange unit. The guarantee is $200, or $100 if bundled with a 2 or 3 year extended warranty.
     
  25. 5150Joker

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    Why not just keep returning the unit under the 30 day policy until you get a good display? There's no way I'm paying >$2000 and being stuck with dead pixels.
     
  26. Soviet Sunrise

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    Because paying for shipping during the 30 day policy is equivalent to paying for the $200 zero dead pixel warranty and having them check the screen prior to shipping it off to you.
     
  27. Eleison

    Eleison Thanatos Eleison

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    Like Donald says, the LCD-manufacturing process has improved dramatically, so dead and stuck sub-pixels are not nearly as much of a concern as they once were. Plans like the No Dead Pixel protection policy (which is actually only $100 if bought with a 2 or 3 year parts and labor warranty) are just like any other warranty, in that you buy or don't buy because of your own perception of the need.

    Every decision to purchase or not purchase a warranty is a gamble. If you purchase the warranty, you are gambling that something is going to happen to require you to use that warranty. If you do not purchase the warranty, you are gambling that nothing is going to happen to require its use.

    From our own experience with our customers, the "odds" on each of those bets are much better that nothing is going to happen, but I don't think I could really calculate or quantify the exact statistics without spending at least a month doing nothing but sifting through our customer support records one at a time.
     
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    Shipping the laptop back to them costs $200? Maybe in Soviet Russia.
     
  29. gantz

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    it cost 200 + for Singapore too ...
     
  30. 5150Joker

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    Well fortunately for me and others in the US, the cost tops out near $30. So I'll definitely return it and repurchase if I get dead pixels.
     
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    Maybe it would be cheaper for you to take a short flight to China and pick it up at the factory.
     
  32. Soviet Sunrise

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    It's your choice, chief. But keep in mind that the seller does not thoroughly check the screen for dead pixels, so the chance of you receiving an "imperfect" screen each time is still there, unless you're lucky like me and always received pixel perfect screens for the past six years. Also, all Sager resellers that offer free shipping when you buy the notebook will deduct the cost of "free" shipping from your full refund if you return it under the 30 day "no questions asked" warranty. The only exception to this, that I know of, is RJTech, in which they apply 15% restocking. But then again, they don't sell Sager branded notebooks.
     
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    Which is still quite a bit cheaper than paying $200 to have them check the notebook. None of my laptops recently have had dead pixels so I don't expect this to be a problem.
     
  34. spybenj

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    $130 for me, so I save $70
     
  35. doger5

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    How about stay on topic about the screen quality because I order the 1600x 900 screen
     
  36. XmasDummy

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    how do i check if i have dead pixels????
     
  37. XmasDummy

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    Rofl yeaH I totally need these... Checking them out now
     
  38. Tobe_ornot_Tobe

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    I have the 1600 * 900 screen. I really like it in all respects. Colour/Brightness/Blacks/Angle all good. No dead pixels. Every game I have thrown at it so far looks and performs great at this resolution.
     
  39. relax24

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    Just out of interest. Most my film playback is done via my 720p HDTV. How would a 720p rip for example look if i got the 1600x900 film and used hdmi to play it on my 1366x768 tv?
     
  40. BrandonSi

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    Depends on how into your tv watching you are. I wouldn't notice a difference, as the aspect ratio is almost exact, so there won't be any stretching. It'll be downsizing a bit, but I imagine it would look the same as any other content that is downsized from 1080..
     
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    If you scale it 1:1 it will look exactly like it does on your 720p but it will have black bars. The other option is to stretch the image which will still look ok.
     
  42. relax24

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    Sorry what I meant to say is "How would a 720p rip for example look if i got the 1600x900 laptop resolution and used hdmi to play it on my 1366x768 tv?" You've probably answered it, but just making sure due to my retarded error in typing. If it's a 720p video and I transfer it to my 1366x768 tv, surely there wont be any black bars?
     
  43. 5150Joker

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    It will look fine as long as you set no overscan.
     
  44. Neil McRae

    Neil McRae Notebook Evangelist

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    Well here is how one review rates the two:

    [​IMG]

    The top yellow is the Full HD screen. The lower yellow is the Standard HD Ready screen.
     
  45. jabbermacy

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    Read xoticPCs FAQ -- in the customize area under 'dead pix insturance' hit the question mark-- lots of links to utilities and stuff. I was sweating this but I've decided the risk is WAY too low (<1%) of ANY dead pixels to justify 200 bones.
     
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    176 nits... Is that low?
     
  47. relax24

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    I'd also like to know this. Have no clue what's good and what's not in terms of screen brightness.
     
  48. spybenj

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    Well the 1920x1080 screen is just beatiful
     
  49. Soviet Sunrise

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    It's going to beautiful once you see your dead body on the screen in spec mode after we wail on you.
     
  50. spybenj

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    Right now I can barley play, not used to 300fps.
    Also the trackpad is slightly hard to use
     
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