Sager 9377 and 3D vision

Hello everyone,
I recently received my new Sager 9377, loaded up with 880ms in SLI.

I also chose the 120Hz display option, thinking I would be able to use 3D vision. Did I miss a requirement?

I bought the 3D vision 2 kit, so I now have the glasses and the emitter, but for the life of me I can't get it to work. No set up stereoscopic option appears in the NVidia control panel as it should, nor do I have any stereoscopic options under 3D settings.

I have ensured my monitor is set at 120Hz, and reinstalled the newest driver while having 120Hz active, as it was 60Hz originally.

Is there a reason why this just can't work? Is there a workaround? Or are there steps missing from the manual the comes with the 3D bundle?

I'd really appreciate any help, and hopefully I can get this to work as I had really gotten psyched up about this

 

There is no refresh-version with internal 3D yet...

 

sorry, but I don't understand what that means.

I can suppose it means it just can't work, but I'd like to know why, if possible. More importantly, though, I'd like to know if it's something that will work with a future update or something.

thanks for responding

 

I think Prema's saying the 9377 doesn't come with an internal 3D emitter.

To get 3D you will need to use a 120Hz 3D capable external monitor for now, and I *think* you'll need an active mini displayport (the Thunderbolt port doubles as an mDP port) to DVI adapter for 3D to work if I'm not mistaken.

 

ok, so do you know why I need an external monitor?

That aside, you said "for now", does that mean there should be an update or something in the future to let me use 3D with my build in 120Hz display (using the USB emitter and glasses I bought)? Thanks.

 

Wow that sucks. I was under the impression that all that was needed was a Vision kit as well since the machine doesn't have an emitter and the kit comes with one.

That really sucks.

I have it working on my TV and was going to purchase a kit too. Glad I didn't do that. :/

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well DP 120hz monitors would not need an adapter.

 

huh, so you're saying mDP to DP connection would provide full 3D capabilities? good to know, somehow I was always under the impression you needed something else besides a (m)DP to DP cable

 

No, dp has more bandwidth (enough for 4k 60hz).

 

So does anyone understand why this doesn't work?

If it's a bandwidth thing, where it can't push 120 FPS through the connector to the monitor... why did they offer 120Hz if it can't even push 120Hz?

And if it CAN push 120 FPS, then why can't it work? If it can push 120 FPS, it can sync with the emitter and it can alternate frames. I really can't see either why it won't work or why 120Hz was offered. Very disappointing

 

I think this thread got a little confused. Your original question was with the new 9377, will you be able to use the 120Hz included laptop lcd with a separate USB emitter. Have you tried reinstalling the latest drivers with your emitter plugged in? If that is so, then I guess built in 120Hz displays will only work with an updated bios and built in emitter.

 

You could try installing the modded inf drivers too.

 

Internal 3D can not simply be used just because the required hardware is present.
NVIDIA makes the Notebook manufacturer pay for each GPU model they want to have internal 3D enabled for.

To get 3D on an internal LED the BIOS needs a 3D license for the specific board HWID/GPU combination, the LED needs to match the exact HWID that the license was issued for as well as the exact internal emitter model.
Clevo has a P370SM3-A on the roadmap since along time, but it was delayed over and over again (so are the GTX880M 3D BIOS for P370SM3 and P570WM3) and I am not sure if it ever makes into final production units.

So right now we are missing the required GTX880M 3D license, once that comes I can port it from one BIOS into another, but you will have to check if your motherboard has the required spot for the 3D emitter (I have not tested an internal emitter module modded to use an external USB port).
If it does have the connector you need to buy the internal emitter & the emitter cable. Then use a BIOS Mod to get 3D working.

Service Manuals to identify a potential emitter port location are available in the link in my signature.

:hi2:

 

Wow... Thanks for the explanation Prema, I guess it makes sense that nVidia would charge up a storm for such a feature but that really sucks.

 

This is why open standards are better usually.

 

thanks a lot for the explanation, this is exactly what I was looking for, even though the news is very disappointing for me. I guess I misunderstood the point of the 3D vision kit, and I can't believe NVidia doesn't include some kind of licensing option that works for customers like me (I move around a lot, hence I got a laptop, so an external monitor is not a workable situation for me a lot of the time).

also I'll be spending the next several months outside the country, so not sure I'll be able to get my hands on an internal emitter even if I have the slot and a modded bios is released. At least not in the short term. This also means I won't have a chance to get any of my money back for the unnecessary 3d kit or the unneeded 120Hz screen. If the modded bios ends up working with the external emitter that'd be great, but otherwise I hope this thread can serve as a warning for other people who think like I thought about the 3D vision kit.

Thanks again.

 

I did try installing some modded inf files (I tried acer HR274H and GN245HQ) but that didn't seem to help.

I've tried running the NVidia stereonet wizard directly from the executable (NVStWiz.exe) but it gave me the error

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Error
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This laptop's panel is not qualified for 3D Vision.
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OK
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even with the modified INF files installed.

 

Then yeah it's hardware ID scanning.

 

There has to be some way that it can be bypassed but it probably isn't worth the hassle.

 

To me it would probably be worth the hassle, unless it were a hardware change like adding in an emitter or something, since I'm more of a software guy.

I do share your belief that is has to be possible, I have all the technical requirements (120Hz screen, emitter, shutter glasses, nVidia cards), but nVidia seems to have put up invisible walls against me

 

That's exactly what I meant though... it is looking for the hardware emitter built into the machine.

Since using an external USB emitter does not work, I'd imagine that the drivers are looking for a value to be sent back, probably from the mainboard, that the emitter is connected.

The other scenario I can think of is that the driver is looking for the vendor and device ID of the machine itself and checking its database to see if the machine is on the supported list.

Neither one would be terribly easily remedied.

Also, the BIOS itself has to support the emitter so even just a straight hardware mod will not work either as Clevo has not released a 3D P377SM-A so they don't have a P377SM-A BIOS that supports it.

 

Changing the hardware ID is only one of the many factors I mentioned above.

No license in BIOS = No internal 3D

 

So, if/when bios are released with the license, the process would be this?

1. Update vBios
2. override monitor hardware ID (which one to use?)
3. reinstall drivers
4. Hope it works with external emitter

does that look about right? Or will there likely be more or different steps?