Sager NP2096 - temperature issues - technical help appreciated!!!

Hey guys, I'm new in here, and I'm from Germany, so please forgive me some of my english mistakes

First of all, there is an equal thread in the "Compal Section" --> Link
Please dont delete or sth because doublechecking is always better in my opinion. Thanks!

Problem:
My laptop is way too hot. And i dont know why -_-"
CPU Idle: ~47°C (115°F) average
GPU Idle: ~80°C (176°F) average
HDD Idle: ~38°C (100°F) average

This is just Idle !!!
I didnt want to check the load Temps, because I think it would just damage sth.
My dad was playing League of Legends with it and had some graphic errors like pink lines...

1. Try: Checking fan settings in the BIOS - there are no settings ö.Ö none at all! (Ideas why? Or is it just a ty BIOS?)
[PHOENIX BIOS, never updated]

2. Watching the fan:
Startup - revs up, runs about 20 secs - stops.
About 70°C GPU it kicks back in and runs stable. GPU Idle Temp stays at 80°C for about 30 mins (writing parallel)

3. Cleaned fan + grid. no dust or sth in there at the testing state. (free airflow)


I modulated the fan (extended those 3 holes, where its soaking in the air) + backplate (holes) a little bit a long time ago to improve the airflow and ventilation. (see attached pics)
Cuz in my opinion the temps were too hight that time. If I remember correct I gained about 6-10°C
So I dont have a clue why the temps raised that much now.


Questions:
Someone has an Idea why the temps raised that much?
Updating BIOS - has the new BIOS those settings tab a "normal" BIOS has?
Shall i update the BIOS?
I think I have to disassemble it and redo the thermal paste, am I right?
Any ideas?


Thanks for your help!

 

cpu and hdd are fine for idle temps. gpu is too high.
it might need a thermal repaste BUT as you mentioned pink lines this could be the start of a dying graphics card.
when it happens next time could you take a picture of the lines and post it on here.

also as youve not mentioned it which graphics card have you got and are you covered by warranty still.

edit

have you got a sager or a compal laptop. posting exactly the same thing in both threads is suspect for a new poster.

 

The pink lines just occured once, I instantly turned it off and opened the back so it can cool down way better.
The heatpipes were that hot I burned my fingers. XD

Nope, the laptop is about 5 years old, so no warranty anymore.
Graphics Card: 9600M GT DDR2 - I think it has 512 MB

I posted in both categories, because the Sager NP2096 is of identical construction as the Compal JHL90.
And some people have the Compal, some the Sager, but both can have good ideas.
Thats what I meant with doublechecking.
[But, mine seems to be a Compal ]

I diassembled this piece of sh** last night.
Whoever planned this laptop, hiding the graphics card underneath EVERYTHING should be killed -_-
Well, I bought some thermal pads (not sure if its the right word) 1.5mm diameter...
I have to wait for them because I need them for the graphics card and some parts (maybe voltage converters) beyond the CPU.

One from the Compal thread said the HDD and CPU temps might be affected by the high temps of the GPU and its heatpipe.
I agree with him.

I think the discolouration of the cooler could come from the heat of the GPU, but I am not sure about this...

 

Did you also order new thermal compound besides the thermal pads. The compound on a 5yr old computer could be all dried up especially if it was just stock compound used originally.

 

I got this one : Keratherm KP92 Kerafol KP92 10 W/mK [-60 - +200 °C] seems actually the best for me

Because it is better than all Artic Silver pastes, and its coming from the industrial sector,
so its not that expensive, and seems to work quite well^^

 

That Compal board actually has a pretty similar layout to the one in my old Toshiba Satellite A665. The design is adequate for mid-range GPUs as long as you keep the heatsinks free of dust and repaste when needed. Just for reference, the stock paste had dried up completely after 2.5 years and my CPU idle temps were 55-60. After a thorough cleaning and repaste with MX-4 it idles at a much frostier 40 C now. So yeah, sounds like repasting is needed.

 

Seriously? 15-20°C cooler just through repasting?
Wow...thats much...
Okay, you make me hope a lot

 

Well mine was an extreme case, because the stock paste had completely dried up and cracked, and Toshiba applied so much of it that 75% of the CPU (not the die, the actual physical CPU!!) was covered in dried up paste. The dried up paste was probably doing more harm than good, which is why the temps dropped 15+ C after a proper repaste. Still, if you've never repasted in 5 years, I'm willing to bet you should see at least a 10 C drop in temps with a proper paste job.

 

Ah, okay... so lets see.
And hope

Some ideas if I should drill some more holes in the case to get a better airflow?
I mean I got it already diassembled now

 

I would repaste first then see how your temps are. Sometime drilling extra holes can disrupt how air flow is directed in the chassis.

 

as Hutsady said, extra holes could make matters worse.
weve seen over the years lots of mods on base plates and extra cutouts and holes can divert the airflow and actually cause more problems than good.

a repaste is defo the way to go first. weve seen an average of upto 10-12c difference but never heard of 20c lower after a repaste.
only use a small amount as too much will make it worse. lots of video's on youtube or do a search on here.

 

Hey guys!
Sorry for letting you all wait.
Needed a little more time as i thought. The Mail transport was veeeery slow -.-

Status now:
Repasting - DONE
New thermal pads - DONE
Cleaned everything - DONE
Reassembled everything - DONE

Result of all my work here - I give up.

Idle temps are like before:
CPU Idle: ~44°C average
GPU Idle: ~78°C average || Load: ~ 100°C+ (dont want to stress it more...)

I have no fu**ing clue why the temps are that high...

Could it be possible that the graphics card is broken or something, and therefore heating up like hell?
I mean, it is still working as far as I tried, but something has to be broken, because this is definitely not normal. Right?

Any ideas?

grEEtz, snow

 

Usually a bad GPU wont do that, if it were bad it would basically not work.

I would try repasting again, using a little less and testing then if still high temps try using a little more.

Maybe try different hardware monitoring software. Or maybe just use the computer and not worry about the temps as long as you're not seeing any performance hit because of it.

 

Busted temp sensor possible?

 

I have no idea how i can check if the sensor is busted...

look at the other thread -

I think too this is happening here...
sucks hard.

Some ideas for compatible Cards at same performance league ?