Sager NP5793 display question

After much research and debate I have decided on the Sager NP5793. The only display option is a 1920x1200 matte screen. I love the screen res but I am concerned about the finish. I have never owned (just seen and fiddled with) glossy displays and the only laptop I owned was purchased 10 years ago and was a matte finish. I tend to like the glossy and I was wondering if the matte finish on the NP5793 should be a deal breaker.

Particularly, will the high res Blu_Ray movies or games seemed washed out or more blurry than with a glossy screen? As far as color accuracy I am not very concerned, but color saturation seems like it would affect the "vividness" of a movie or game.

Regarding locations of use it will mostly be in the home, but there will be occasions of use in an office or automobile. I like the flexibility of a matte finish, but I am also one of those who can "focus" on the image and ignore glare/reflections if needed (although it's better to avoid these if possible).

Any NP5793 owners out there with advise on this?

 

More details on this screen including Model No., Manufacturer, viewing angles, # of nits (Brightness), native color gamut, dual lamp?, etc. would be helpful in determining if this worth the purchase.

 

I am sorry but I am not familiar with those display parameters nor could I find them, neither on the Sager website nor on the Clevo website. All that is listed is

17" WUXGA (1920x1200) TFT LCD

Can someone who owns a NP5793 attest to the matte display attributes when watching Blu-Ray movies and playing games? DOes it look sharp, bright, crisp, etc....

 

from what i am told the matte screen is a auo panel but this is not 100%. matte displays will never be as bright looking as glossy. they are much better in the sun and in brightly lit rooms where the glossy would normally reflect otherwise i prefer a glossy myself. glossy does however usually have a bit more light bleeding showing and they will show screen imperfections imo more than matte does. overall glossy imo is better for video though. but matte does a really good job also its really a personal thing

if someone can give me the hardware id for the matte screen used i can provide you with the details of the panel with all the specs.

you can however always swap it later if you really didnt like it with a glossy. if you did that i can help you with getting the right glossy display

 

I owned a 15.4" Dell that was set at 1920x1200 and this 17" Sager at 1920x1200. The Dell was Matte, the Sager was glossy.

I much prefer the glossy screen to the matte screen. I have noticed that the matte screen just shows dirt and crap more readily, especially when light hits it, as well as just isn't as vibrant as the glossy screen.

Matte, however, is definitely better in high light situations. I can look past most glare on this glossy panel, but it is WAY better for high light situations. I burn my eyes out sometimes when using this panel.

 

I am totally for the glossy screen ..... mine has AU Optronics B170UW01 and I can tell u the screen is fantastic, I never had problem with it in bright light.

 

The Matte screen is 1860x1050 I believe. Only the glossy is 1920x1200.
I love my NP5792's glossy screen although the colours are abit washed out and to make them good in the control panel I loose a bit of contrast.

 

"There are two screens available on the NP5793, a matte WSXGA+ (1680x1050) model and a glossy WUXGA (1920x1200) model; our test unit has the latter. "
notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4235

 

sagernotebook.com clearly states that they are now offering the np5793 with a 17.0" WUXGA (1920x1200) Display with Matte Finished Type Screen as the only option. If someone has ordered this and would be so kind to state the make and model no. we can find out the exact specs. Anybody bought the NP5793 with this screen?

 

I think youze guys are getting your NP579x subseries confused. The NP5793 is an older model that will probably be phased out once existing inventory is sold off, so it's probably a good bet that they only have matte screens left at this point. The 5797, on the other hand, is the current model, although from the Sager website it looks like both that model and the 5796 only come with the glossy screen.

 

you are correct shyster they are in fact matte wuxga which there are not to many of out there now.. so its only a handful of panels it can be unless they are using older panels

 

if someone gives me the hardware id if they have it i can tell you what screen this is

 

Wow there is a 5797 now? Let me see...

Oh just a quad equipped 5796. I wonder if the 5796 can take one without modification.

 

^^^ probably imo just like they said about the 8800 not working in the 5791..

 

Anyone with a recently purchased NP5793 with 1920x1200 matte finish display? Can you please comment on the clarity/brightness/richness/etc... of watching Blu-Ray movies and playing games. I was leaning to glossy and while the matte finish isn't a deal breaker I am concerned about it. This is my last hurdle before taking the plunge (unless some extraordinary holiday deals pop up after Thanksgiving).

 

Oops! Guess I used up my quota of correct answers for the week!

 

No, a 5796 cannot use quads. The quad cores have a different pinout to the dual cores, so a new motherboard is required.

That is why sager/clevo only just released the 579x with quads when they have been available and shipping in other notebooks for a while.

Clevo pushed out the M570TU (5796) so fast in order to be the first montevina notebook (or close) that they didn't wait for the full quad spec before finalising the design. That bit them in the a** nicely...

 

^^^ are you sure?? i thought the ocz whitebook could use both the newest dual xtreme's and the quads which would mean the same socket

 

It is the same physical socket, but a different pinout.

Mobos build for dual core cannot handle quads, mobos built to quad spec are backwards compatible (can understand either pinout)

 

NP5793 1920x1200 matte finish LCD hardware id, anyone got it?

BTW will the 5793 mobo take DDR2 800 ram?

 

Just received mine 5min ago in the process of installing Windows i have the matte screen i will let you know what i think it will be compared the glossy of my XPS M1330.

 

Well no worries this screen is absolutly breathtaking. Same for the fans no worries there you ear them but to actually say it's a problem you actually must have bionic ears or something... Why do people always exagerate everything... This machine flies. Glad i took the matte screen cleaning my M1330's screen 3 times a week is someting i will not miss at all

COD4 everything maxed out around 50-60fps at 1900 x 1200 and at 1600 x 1200 80-100fps

My advice go for it you will not regret it

 

can we have the hardware id of the screen please?

 

Where do i find that ?

 

device manager - monitor - details - pull down the list to hardware id and tell me what it says. thank you

 

says monitor\LPLF700, this what your looking for ?

 

yep ... wow a lg matte display. thats unusual to find these days they almost always use glossy lg's from most companies. anyways thats a great display ill post the specs on it tomm when i get to the office. its a realy nice display spec wise. i (without seeing it) can assume its a great display. and its a newer model as well going by the number you provided. it may be a bit dimmer for some since i remember it's not a super bright screen but matte usually isnt. this panel also though is known to have a bit of leakage at the bottom. its is used by hp in the 8710 business notebooks as well..

 

Well no leakage on mine, no dead pixel either. You are right tho this is not the super intense bright screen, colors do come out a bit more on a glossy screen. But if you tweak your settings a bit it's just beautifull. It as been a very long time since i had this big of a wow factor when playing a game on a new computer. Like a lot of people on this site i am very satisfied with this laptop, and do not regret buying it one minute. So much for that 5k M1730 i was looking into a month and a half ago The keyboard of the XPS series is still unbeatable IMO. But this is not a deal breaker, and is very subjective to personal preference.

 

Does this PC have a HDMI and VGA/DVI port on it?

 

Sager NP5793 has DVI, but no HDMI. Must use audio out from laptop to get sound (vs. video and audio both in HDMI). Not a big deal if you don't mind the extra cables. DVI should output the same quality video as HDMI.

 

DVI does output the same quality video as HDMI.

 

correct it just doesnt do audio over dvi..

 

correct, although you can get dvi+digital audio -> hdmi combiners if you want to run both into your tv via one hdmi cable

 

Is this what your talking about? click

So that cable will let me hook my 5793 to my HDTV and get audio as well as video? Would the audio and video still be high quality?

 

No, that is simply a dvi-hdmi adapter, it will only take the video.

With either this or a combiner, the audio/video will still be top quality - there should be no quality loss as the combiner simply combines the 2 signals into one cable and does not modify them in any way.

Here are a couple of combiners:
newegg
bhphotovideo

 

I have a Sager 5793 with a 1680 x 1050 matte LCD with a device ID of APP9C50. When I asked Sager if I could get a matte screen at 1920 x 1200 they said no.

As for running DDR2 800 ram, AFAIK, in the 5793, the chipset will only run it at 667.

Speaking of ram, does anyone know for sure if the 5793 can take 8GB of ram?

Mike

 

Maximum memory support for the Intel PM965 chipset (Sager NP5793) is 4GB of DDR2/667

See http://www.intel.com/Assets/PDF/datasheet/316273.pdf

Maximum memory support for the Intel PM45 chipset (Sager NP5796/7) is 8GB of DDR3/1066, BUT VISTA 64bit has a limitation of about 6.8GB addressable (it can "see" all 8GB but can only "use" about 6.8GB)

See http://www.intel.com/Assets/PDF/datasheet/320122.pdf

 

Can the NP5793 take DDR2/800 Ram?

 

NGH, please read the two posts just above yours.

The chipset will only support DDR2/667 so if you install DDR2/800 it will downclock to 667...

 

Well, that sux. 5793 is not worth the $ at this point IMO.

 

That's funny

Do you REALLY think the difference between DDR2/667 and DDR2/800 will make any noticeable difference in performance?

 

there is 0 difference between them or at least nothing that is at all noticable..

 

I don´t think that it´s a Vista limitation... let´s see...

On 32bits:

Code:

2^[B]32[/B] = 4,294,967,296

4,294,967,296 / (1,024 x 1,024) = [B]4,096MB[/B]

On 64bits:

Code:

2^[B]64[/B] = 1.84467441 × 10^19 [B]~2 exabytes[/B], wich is alot...

But unfortunately Vista Ultimate/Business/XP x64 can "only" address 128GBs of RAM: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778.aspx

So it´s not a XP/Vista x64 limitation but a chipset/memory controller limitation... because of the I/O memory mappings and dedicated virtual adress space required, the OS will only recognize those ~6.8GB as physical addressable memory. It´s like the P945 chipset 4GB limitation...

And you ask now, Why on PM965 wich only support 4GB of RAM, the OS can use all physical RAM?

Simple. The PM965 chipset is based on the P965 desktop ones, wich support 8GB of RAM. The PM965 official specs, say that it will only support 4GBs, but because the Memory Controller Hub(MCH) is the same on both, it´s possible to use all those 4GBs because there is a physical higher limit support on the MCH... Even on machines that don´t support more than 4GBs due to BIOS lock or dual rank limitations.

BTW, people say that because at that time there was not SO-DIMM 4GB density modules, Intel only refered to the PM965 chipset as 4GB capable. But later they have writen on various Centrino white papers that it can support 8GB(on only single/dual rank modules): http://www.intel.com/business/casestudies/proof_of_concepts_dcs.pdf

 

So based on the Intel document, you're saying the 5793 will accept this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231210

memory with either the current .08 bios from Sager or at most, flashing the latest .11 bios from Clevo? $299 from Newegg is not that bad as I use Vista Ultimate 64 and can use the extra memory to cut down on page swaps with my Adobe software.

 

yep, that memory will work fine