Sager NP5793 in Canada?

Anyone in Canada buy this sager notebook? Where did you get it from? If you imported from US or elsewhere how much were the border fees? Thanks.

 

For Canada, look at:
- www.eurocom.com
- www.mtechlaptops.com

For US vendors that ship internationally, look at:
- www.xoticpc.com
- www.pcmicroworks.com
- www.rjtech.com

.... more in Clevo Guide

 

Eurocom should be right around the block for you,and they have pretty good prices for the 5793.

 

I got mine from XoticPC. I don't like the look of eurocom.

With the Xpress shipping ($89) all you need to pay is GST and PST, upon entry into the country. Ground shipping you would need to pay nearly $80 in brokerage fees, so that is clearly not an option.

 

Eurocom is based in ontario. if your near there, order from them. if your over in say BC, then order through Xotic PC

 

"The word suck is permitted on every web board in the world except Dell's."

is this actualy true Reinman? or just a joke. I wouldnt be surprised. like how Bungie dont let me make my player Icon A55 for ass

 

Eurocom is like 4 hours away I think. There prices also aren't that good. For a sager with 4gb ram, 320gb drive and 2.4 ghz processor (and 88 Gtx) its like 2800. Plus I'll have to pay tax and shipping on that.

Xotic is far better... its like 2300 for the same setup and I won't have to pay PST with them, but still shipping and GST. Oh wait a minute Helio why did you say go with Xotic if I was in BC... they are still in the states... I'll still get hit with border tax.

Reinman why would you need to pay GST/PST if you are buying from an American seller?

I think the Sager looks like crap though... but at its heart it has the extreme performance.

 

I found a local retailer that has it but they are charging way too much. Take a look.

http://canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=017633&cid=896.358

And thats only with 2GB of ram and sad vista 32 bit.

 

oh sorry! im in a different boat. all i have to pay it GST. nevermind. just check both sellers at time of purchase and check wich one is cheaper.

 

the price is not that bad.

 

It's a bit of both, however it is based on a true story.

Evidently, someone was talking about his fan in his dell running backwards, and he said something to the effect of "the laptop was blowing instead of it's normal sucking", and the moderators laid the smackdown on him. Personally I have had bad luck with Dell. Never bought one personally, but I am in charge for IT where I work, and we have all Dell computer's. There does seem to be a farily high failure rate.

 

You still have to pay PST/GST when the laptop crosses the boarder.

I got my 5793 a few days ago. I live in Alberta, so no PST for me. Anyway the laptop was ~$2370 + $89 (shipping) + $125.00 in GST. Funny thing is the GST was supposed to be $140.00 but they only charged me $125.00, not sure why, and I don't care. Anyway, notebook in hand cost me ~$2580.00 So I am another that recommends XoticPC. Also, the guys over at XoticPC are pretty conscientious, very professional. They certainly made me feel comfortable dealing with them.

My spec was WSXGA+, T9300, 4 gb ram, 8800 GTX, 320 GB, No OS.

 

Reinman that is because you didn't pay GST. That $125 was most certainly border taxes/border duties. You don't pay taxes on items that come from american stores you just pay border fees.

 

Smood. Please don't present your information as factual, unless you have the information first hand, which I don't think is the case, since what you are saying contradicts all of my investigation.

I started out by calling customs canada. The agent told me I would be liable for GST and PST, but there is no duty to be paid on laptops entering Canada.

I then went and searched for people that had already imported a notebook first hand, which I found here.

http://www.xoticpcforums.com/showthread.php?t=237&highlight=duty

I found some other threads too, and they also supported the Pay GST/PST but No duty assertion.

After that, I was convinced as to how it works, then I ordered a laptop, and it followed pretty much in line with what people were saying. The only difference being that I paid 5% in GST instead of 6%.

So, to summarize:
-You will pay GST and PST on any laptop that crosses the boarder.
-There is no duty to be paid.
-If you ship UPS ground, you will then pay brokerage fees which are $71.00 USD.
-If you ship UPS Xpress, then the brokerage fees are waved.

 

A couple questions.

1. What is the number for customs canada? I tried finding it but typically get numbers that lead nowhere.

2. How much is UPS express for the NP5793 exactly? Or what is a good way to calculate it?

 

1. I can't remember, I found the number on the website.

2. $89.00 per laptop, flat fee at XoticPC.

 

So Reinman how satisfied are you with your system? How do you like the gaming performance?

 

so what tax would i have to pay ordering from eurocom to get the m860tu sent over to BC by your calculus?

 

Actually, I haven't used it yet. I am in brazil, and my laptop is at home in Canada. Others can better answer that question here, but I haven't really heard a bad thing about Sager notebooks, and I have been looking.

As far as the guys at XoticPC go, they are great, I originally ordered an MSI 1719. 1 week later, I decided I didn't want it anymore. Unfortunately they had already shipped it. They recalled the laptop from UPS for me, and cancelled the order. Very efficient.

 

Not sure, I would guess they would charge you Ontario PST and GST plus shipping. You could call eurocom and ask them, they would know, as they would be the ones to collect the tax from you.

 

are you not charged that by the delivery guy? you have to pay him all this crap or he doesnt hand over the laptop.

 

Ok this I know for sure. There is no way in hell they are going to charge you ontario PST. This time its not crossing a border so there are no strange laws. If you buy products in other provinces you don't pay their provinces PST. You will of course pay GST, and maybe your own provinces PST but I doubt it.

 

i better not pay BC pst as that totals up to 17%! screw them if im going to pay tax for a province that i dont live in!

 

That is when things are coming from the states. The courier pays no fees to ship inter province.

 

If I go to Toronto, everywhere I go I pay PST. I fail to see how mail order would be different, but I am not sure.

 

each province has a different level of PST. thats why it matters.

 

Reinman buying at an actual store is different because you in the province. But if the item is going out of the bounds of the province a PST won't apply. Its like saying you have to pay american taxes when you order something from the states. Or pay another foreign countries taxes when you order something from them.

 

I have not been back to the states or canada for over 8 years. do they still have that annoying system where the shelf prices that you see in stores is not what you pay? you then go upp to the till and then you ge to see the full amount with tax. Thats the only thing that bugged me there.

 

Ohhhh ya. Thats still here... at least in ontario where I live.

 

FFSake!!! thats so anoying!!!

 

Its always been like that. For the past like 50 years at least.

 

Ok I went to eurocom, and followed the process through until the payment option. It appears that we were both right... crazy.

If you live in ontario, then you pay GST 5% and PST 8%.
If you live in the maritimes, then you pay HST 13%
If you live in any other part of canada, you only pay GST 5%.
So there you go.

 

thats because you are responsible for the rest of the charges. they are not in charge of pst for other provences.

 

Ya. How were you right though? Basically you just pay GST unless you live in the same province than you pay PST and GST. HST looks like a hybrid tax for the maritimes kind of the same as GST.

 

A Hybrid of GST and PST? Which would mean that you are paying PST, which would make me correct. In any case, I may not know everything about inter-provincial ordering, but I am pretty good at getting information on the internet.

 

Thats a shaky argument to say the least. The fact is they obviously have a different tax system where everyone pays HST. For all we know they don't have any 'PST' and the HST is the equivalent of the GST for the maritimes. I'm just speculating when I say that of course.

Regardless the general rule is you DO NOT pay the provincial tax from the company you are buying from unless you are in the same province as that company.

 

I am surprised the governments are letting go of their "cut"so easily. That is totally unlike them.

 

Its not about their 'cut'. But its about the law. Why would you pay taxes on a good that you are essentially importing into the province when you didn't even live in the province you are importing it from. PST is a intraprovincial tax, if you are not in the province.. you don't pay. Simple.

 

wow, anyone tried to get in contact with eurocom? i sent them an email, no reply. I called them then on EVERY SINGLE EXTENSION and got no answer! very unprofessional.

 

In my experience, the government put laws in place to assure that they are getting their cut.

I work in Brazil, get paid out of Barbados, work for an american company, and spend all of my dollars in Canada. However, I still pay Canadian income tax.

So your type of reasoning does not really hold, aside from your statement that it's about law, and nothing else really matters.

 

GST works as a contribution to canada as a whole. the PST is then for the provence. each provence has its own sort of government. thats why you pay whatever provence you live in.

so this is what everyone here will do. first, find out what PST rate that the provence you live in has. then add the 5% GST and you have the rate of tax. FINE!

 

Its Victoria Day here, most business that aren't restaurants are closed.

 

ah.... well atleast they have an excuse.

 

Come on dude -- it was a bank holiday --- you didn't notice there was no school, no work, no traffic on the road -- everybody was away for the weekend? Time put down the X-Box controller and get out of the basement. The sun is even out now - winter is over.

 

How about you come on dude. Was that the only post of mine that you read?
Im not in Canada. I thought that when i said "I have not been in Canada for about 8yrs" or something like that would kind of get the message across that i dont live in canada anymore or at this time.
Get your facts together before you attack someone like that.

 

Weather has been insane, at least in Waterloo, temperatures fell to 3.3'C on Sunday, week high was somewhere near 20'c. BTW, looks like rain for the rest of this week - I miss Dubai already...

 

You got me Helios -- I jumped to a massive conclusion too quickly........ OH WAIT! Just Like you did when you started posting about a company being unprofessional based on the fact that you couldn't get a hold of them after 1 day of calling.

The difference is who cares about what one anonymous poster said about another --- but you -- you made very public comments on an open forum that could affect some one's business.

 

I stand by my point. I think if a company is actually closed, the helpline should not say on that day "office hours are from 8:30am-6pm, all of our representatives are busy at the moment. Please hold and someone will be with you shortly"

Thinking that they were open as the message suggested, I was on hold forever and had a hefty long distance call to pay for even though i did not talk to no one.
And that, is what is very unprofessional.

 

This has gone on too long...lol

If you live in Ontario and you buy from Eurocom you must pay PST and GST.

If you live in the the Maritimes you have to pay their blended HST which is essentially GST and PST combined. This does not include PEI...

If you live in any other province in Canada you only pay GST

Yes we were closed yesterday but for some reason the phone switch did not change to holiday mode. Very unprofessional?? I don't know but a mistake none the less.

There you go.. straight from the horses mouth!

Give me a call if you want to discuss pricing. Always happy to listen!

 

jshore thanks but I think we established everything you have said already.