Sager NP5796 and NP9262 Update - QUADCORE and Q9650 Info & Results

Sager NP5796 (Clevo M570TU):

It has been confirmed by Clevo that mobile Quad Cores will not be supported on this unit, as the mobile Quad Core processor requires a different power design on the motherboard. The motherboard will need a major revision in order to support the upcoming Mobile Quad Core, and is still under redesign and testing by Clevo. NO ETA.

Sager NP9262 (Clevo D901C):

We have been testing the new Q9650 for a few days now, and at this time the system is stable at stress testing, however it does not like warm booting.

Any warm booting (restarting) will result in the system not posting, and you must power down the system and turn it back on then it’ll work normally until the next warm boot.

Clevo is aware of this issue and is working very closely with us to resolve this issue ASAP.

At this time there is a processor price drop coming soon on the Intel Q9550, Sager has NP9262 units in stock Sager does not plan to ship pending Q9550 orders at this time. Once the price drop takes place over the following weekend, Q9550 orders will be adjusted to reflect the new prices and orders will be shipped.

The Intel Q9650 will be added to the Sager NP9262 processor lineup once the open issues can be solved.

 

Nice info for both models.

The M570TU mobile quad-cores are still going to be $1000 for the CPU alone (even after the motherboard revision)... ouch.

 

Justin thanks for the info. Only one update left to get and that is the gtx sli next gen. I assume any orders with the 9550 can be held if we want to wait for 9650?

 

Can the M570TU support the X9000 CPU instead of the X9100?

 

It cannot support a x9000 cpu.

 

Screen Shot Attached of WPRIME

 

Damn.

I have an extra one.

Damn.

 

^^^ how much $$$???

 

I haven't decided to sell it just yet...if I do not get a notebook that uses it, then I'll list it here....out of curiosity, what range would you be thinking...it is an OEM CPU, not retail.

 

well i know i can find them on ebay for about 380$ or so.. just wasnt sure what you were doing with it

 

Sorry we are unable to post the pricing details at this time. They will be available very soon.

 

>.> he was talking to zenica.

 

In practical terms, how much improvement over a 9450 are we talking about here anyway? Will the 230 more megahertz buy me 5 more FPS in the freak that is Crysis (I don't really LOVE Crysis anyway, just a good benchmark program at the moment)?

 

Eh, the M570 support quad core, right?

 

Nope... I was warning people about this last week. Here are a couple of the threads:
NP5796 Quad Core Support
and another:
9800GT/GTX VS Dual HD 3870's

The benefit of building the system in-house and getting the latest components is advance first hand testing which I have found leads to keeping customers happy. You let someone know, "Hey, you may want to wait on this $3,000 plus investment because this, this and this..." and you earn peoples trust by having the knowledge and being upfront and honest. Pretty much how I said the SSD drives were garbage for operating systems because was building them 8 months ago. Then a week later they are dropped from the line-up.

 

Nope....not as far as I know. Except that KillerNotebooks are modding (the BIOS??) it to make it work.

 

I actually said I was trying to mod a BIOS but to no avail. Here are some other quotes so you don't have to follow the link if you don't want to.

 

O my bad...thanks again for the clarification.

 

i like the sound of price drops

 

Yea I would like to know this too. This is awesome to know though.

On a side note: I saw killer notebooks on the forum and they are talking about using the q9650 and thats really good info to know. I am glad to hear firsthand testing along with the info Justin posted. However, I looked at their website and configured the same type of computer as I chose and it came out to be almost $1000 more. Whats the deal? I know that they have modified heatsinks and an optimized os, but other than that what makes it that much more expensive?

Keep us posted guys! It's exciting to see the results of testing and to hear about the hard work you guys put in. Thank you all.

 

I, also, like the looks of the notebooks at Killernotebooks, however, I am too wondering what justifies the price difference?

Please do not take any offense by my wording, KillerNotebooks, I am just over-curious as well.

 

With K|N, the OS is included in the price. No dead pixel warranty is also standard and included. A notebook cooler is also included, if you buy the M570TU (Executioner). Minus these, Killernotebooks prices are typically $700 bucks or so more than Sager resellers, by my estimate. If you can do the OS performance and drivers tweakings yourselves, as well as the mod the heatsink, then you're golden. The point for discussion, though, is whether these heatsink mods and tweakings enhance performance that much. K|N customers attest that they do enhance performance a great deal and is worth the extra costs. I don't know, because I don't own one. I just know the cost difference because I've been comparison shopping. Sager itself includes a Vista Home version as standard. But XoticPC and PNB basic configurations do not include an OS, and will charge you if you want one, citing that many have their own O.S. already. Plus a no dead pixel warranty is $200 extra with Sager and its resellers.

Lastly, it has been well discussed on this forum that dead pixel warranty is perhaps not necessary, as the chance of you actually getting a dead pixel from Clevo is very low. Plus, with the added 30-days satisfaction guarantee, no matter what, from Sager, it's superfluous.

 

Thanks for that information. I'm new to these forums so I have not read a lot about KillerNotebook's modifications. It seems like a very nice idea. Unfortunately, at this time, the cost is out of my range limit. I'll keep it in mind for the future, though.

 

So all of the os optimization is able to be done by the customer? I.E. we know what the company does in order to gain that performance increase? If so, what do they actually do.
I know that I am not able to modify the heatsink nor would I even be able to begin to know where to start in order to modify the various components to increase performance. My hat goes off the k|n for not only thinking of doing those modifications, but also for trying their best to satisfy the customer.

 

On a side note Mark from KillerNotebooks has answered all and every question I asked in my E-mails.+ I hear that customers are really happy with the systems bought there.Does that warrant the extra cost, to me yes because I also have very limited knowledge of adding parts and working on laptops.So a expert like Mark is very good at tweaking a configuration for optimum performance.The last thing I would want to do is take my laptop apart and be totally clueless and have extra parts lying around when trying to do upgrades myself.Like I said is the extra $$ worth it, that's ultimately all up for consumer to decide at exactly what he wants.

 

It definitely is up to the consumer. I dont think anyone would be unhappy with a laptop from k|n nor do I think they would be unhappy with one from xoticpc or powernotebooks. However, how much of a performance increase would buying from k|n give you? And do we know what specifically they do to increase the overall performance? Like, could us xoticpc or powernotebook buyers replicate the performance increase?
If no one wants to discuss that, then I will attempt to bring us back on track with the original subject. How much of a performance increase would we notice between the q9550 and q9650? And is there any power/heat improvements?

 

That's a brutal performance: twice as fast as my E8400!!

 

@ baziado & flyinonice4

Yes you can request to put a hold on your order and we can hold the item until the 9650 can be installed.

 

Wow thats too bad that the Quad won't be supported in the NP5796. I was looking forward to that sooo much. Perhaps the non-extreme 2.2GHz Quads will be supported when released in Q4'08. We'll have to see when that time comes. In the mean time, I'll be enjoying my 25-watts of performance The T9800 2.9Ghz would be nice too when in comes out in Q1 '09

Bet that makes those companies who offered sales for the quads pretty dumb. The 5796 should do me quite well until the 1333fsb quads of the Clarksfield Nehalem 32nm come out later next year and clevo releases a new system to support it. Likely a 45nm GPU from nvidia by then too. Things are moving quickly these days.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehalem_(microarchitecture)#Variants

 

emike09:

The one I used for testing was a non-extreme Q9100

I would say so. I am glad I tested immediately upon getting the chassis and told people. "This is more than likely not going to be able to upgrade to the quad core. If you must have the quad core mobile Penryn... wait for a MB revision."

As a sdie bar emike, are you the same emike over at the mvktech forums?

 

Too bad. I'll be fine for now.

I am the same user over there. Love that site.

And who knows, maybe clevo will release a revision before my system ships later this month

 

Will there be any additional cost if we were to do that? My concern is there might be a price difference between the two processors.
Also, how long do you think it might take until the q9650 will be installed and sent out?

 

The q9650 is still being tested, but results are promising. It shouldn`t be long now.

 

how much will be the price drop,Justin? (if that info is not a secret)

 

The new Sager NP9262 pricing is out.

All current orders for the Q9450 that have not shipped will be upgraded to the Q9550 at no additional charge.

All current orders for the Q9550 that have not shipped will have the choice of keeping the Q9550 and receiving a $225 (or $218.25 if you received the 3% cash discount) refund and ship next week, or wait for the issues with the Q9650 to be resolved. Please contact your reseller to let them know what choice you want to make.

At this time no new processors have been released.

 

Whoa!!! That is awesome!!! Just another reason I always go with PNB and Sager.

 

SCHWEEET! I just ran a PNB configuration of the NP9262 with Q9550, 4GB RAM, 9800GT SLI, triple 320GB 7200RPM HD's, WUXGA, Vista Ultimate, BluRay...top of the line stuff...$4034... sweet! Now all I's need is 9800GTX in SLI and an HDMI port...

 

Nice to hear. I still have to decide which route to take. Is there anyway to tell how long the issues might take to resolve? For instance, have the issues in the past been solved pretty quickly or could this be a timely thing?

 

Sadly you cannot look to the history of solving other issues to give you any clues on how long it will take to solve a new issue.

This same issue is found with both the Q9650 and the E8600. Sager and Clevo are working on it diligently, but this too is like asking when a baby will be born. You have a target date, but since you are trying to solve for the unknown there is no real way to know how long it will take.

 

Pro customer Service thats all i can say. Thank you.

 

Thats understandable, I am just trying to get the best I can while working on a short time frame. You all are very smart though so I doubt it will take that long. Thank you for your quick response Donald, I appreciate all you do for this community.

 

^^^ has the baby been born yet...?

 

Nope...no babies yet

 

What kind of testing do you do?

 

The final resolution may require Clevo, but if you checkout KillerNotebooks.com, they appear to have zeroed in on the source of the warmboot issue on Q and E late version cpu's / bios.

As pointed out by the master builder at KN, it also may be that this same issue will begin occurring on Q9550's as well, as the newer cpu / bios revisions take root in boxes that will ship in the future from various vendors.

Please don't ask me for details, you can research on KillerNotebooks.com yourself, and ask your questions there, where the man apparently will answer anybody's questions if he can help. Maybe even other vendor questions jajajaja