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    Sager NP8130 with Kingston HyperX RAM

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by kevindd992002, Oct 23, 2014.

  1. kevindd992002

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    I've just bought this kit: http://www.kingston.com/datasheets/HX318LS10IBK2_8.pdf to replace my defective RAM. It has a JEDEC (I'm assuming this is why it is PnP) rating of DDR3-1866 CL10-10-10 @1.35V or 1.5V.

    I fired up CPU-Z and it is running at 1866 MHZ, yes, but its timings are 11-11-11. Is that normal?
     
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    Where are you seeing the 11-11-11 timings? Have you double checked with a program like intel XTU?
     
    Meaker@Sager, Oct 24, 2014
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    That's with CPU-Z. Isn't that accurate? I haven't had the chance to use Intel XTU yet with this laptop.
     
    kevindd992002, Oct 24, 2014
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    Some people have got confused exactly what bit is stating current speed before and I always double check with another program if i get readings I don't expect.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Oct 25, 2014
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    I just installed XTU and I don't see a section that shows the timings of the RAM modules. I only see the frequency (1867 MHz). Can you point me to the right direction?

    Thanks.
     
    kevindd992002, Oct 25, 2014
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    Does your machine get a tab for memory on the left? If not maybe it's not supported. Try hwinfo.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Oct 26, 2014
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    latest fully supported xtu version for ur model is 2.1, anything later only works in a limited fashion :) but meaker is right, hwinfo is actually an even better alternative
     
    jaybee83, Oct 26, 2014
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    It touts a programmable CAS latency according to the PDF. Perhaps it was set incorrectly?
     
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    I'll give that a check.

    Who set it incorrectly? Kingston themselves? Isn't that weird?
     
    kevindd992002, Oct 27, 2014
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    kevindd992002, Oct 28, 2014
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    Looks like that's the best auto setting your 2xxx series CPU will set to.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Oct 28, 2014
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    Meaning the behavior I'm experiencing is because it's CPU-bound?
     
    kevindd992002, Oct 28, 2014
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    Yes since the CPU only technically supports up to 1333mhz from intel.
     
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    Is it not the board itself? I've seen the same behavior with desktops but you can easily adjust their timings.
     
    kevindd992002, Oct 28, 2014
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    in the end it doesnt really matter, since a difference of CL 1 aint really gonna have such an impact on performance, even in special ram benchmarks ull barely notice anything ;)
     
    jaybee83, Oct 29, 2014
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    No, in this case it's the IMC on the CPU.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Oct 29, 2014
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    Alright then, case closed.
     
    kevindd992002, Oct 29, 2014
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    Yes but as jaybee mentioned you would be hard pressed even with benchmarks to show the difference between a machine at CL10 and another at CL11.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Oct 31, 2014
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    Gotcha. It's just that I thought it would run with its PnP feature.
     
    kevindd992002, Oct 31, 2014
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    Well the ram would in a 3xxx or 4xxx based machine.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Nov 1, 2014
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    Well, the 2500K on my desktop "techically" supports 1600MHz but I can run the RAM kit at a much much higher frequency, 2133MHz. It's just that in our laptops we don't have these settings to tinker with so I was wondering how does the kit "automatically" run at higher frequency.
     
    kevindd992002, Nov 2, 2014
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    well, normally each kit would run automatically at its plug n play SPD settings. my p150hm/np8150 would run corsair vengeance 2133 sticks at the pnp setting of 1866 but i could manually set them to 2133 via intel xtu. my cpu was the 2960xm, was running like a charm. officially it also only supported up to 1600 mhz.
     
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    Can I do that with mine too? Or does the CPU need to be unlocked?
     
    kevindd992002, Nov 2, 2014
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    hmmm, if i remember correctly the P151HM/np8130 and the P150HM/np8150 shared the same bios, right? so yeah, it should work :) u can just follow the instructions in my 2960xm overclocking thread linked to in my sig. after crossflashing to the p170hm bios u should have intel xtu functionality.

    just beware: after adjusting ram speed in intel xtu, ull have to reboot, then shut down, then boot again, only then will the ram settings stick! one reboot aint enough unfortunately :) strange as it is!

    not taking any responsibility if u brick ur rig during the crossflash process tho :p just be cautious...
     
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    I thouht that the NP8130 and NP8150 have the same BIOS also but I swear that I read before that they actually have different BIOS'es. Can anybody confirm though?
     
    kevindd992002, Nov 2, 2014
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    yep,make sure to confirm that before playing around... ;)
     
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    I'm gonna go with don't do it. I think part of the reason no one ever released a custom ROM for the NP8130 was because there were even problems flashing the Clevo BIOS on top of the Sager versions of the system. It was doable I think but you couldn't flash it back to a Sager version without bricking the motherboard.
     
    objecttothis, Nov 4, 2014
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    main reason no one released a custom bios for the HM series was actually cuz those bios versions were completely locked down, so nothing to unlock :)
     
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    I thought something was up since sager/clevo were such nazis with giving bios updates out. Im glad that isnt the case with the NP7338 (premamod)
     
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    It's not as bad as it was now, throttlestop may work to help overclock extreme edition CPUs.
     
    Meaker@Sager, Nov 4, 2014
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