Sager NP8690 now with GTX 470m

Pretty much this.

Stock for stock, it will be slower than the 480M, even if just by a few percentage points.

What doesn't make sense to me, is that a W860CU/W870CU + 470M are about equal in price to a W880CU + 480M. Why not just go for the big dog, then?

 

This is exactly what I was curious about also, the price points of those two laptops.

What's their main difference anyway? I thought they're using the same chassis?

 

You get a better upgrade path with the w88. I've decided to wait for the 6870, then just buy a barebone w88 and swap everything over.

 

But they use the same chassis, exactly the same?

 

No, they are definitely not identical. The W880CU chassis is a few centimeters larger, to accommodate a beefier cooling system, as well as the requisite slot and power tweaks to power and cool 100W graphics chip.

Just speculation, but expect that the W880CU will be around longer. One has to assume that Clevo will eventually stop upgrading the W870CU chassis.

To my mind, Intel's Sandy Bridge + Mobility 6000/GTX 500M seems like an ideal time for Clevo to branch towards the W880CU, exclusively. It doesn't make sense for them to keep supporting two 17", single GPU chassis.

 

finally! now i'm excited

 

That's Great
mine shippment have been delayed.
But it's alright I will go shopping for parts and An SSD soon

Edit: Couldn't find the Samsung SSD I wanted..
but im still glad my Notebook came in today!

 

I wish i could have gone for an SSD myself

 

My new W860CU is on the way

i7 740QM
4GB DDR3 1333
Geforce GTX 470M 1.5GB

I currently own a W860CU with an i7 720QM + GTX 280M 1GB.

Once the new system arrives i will post benchmark comparrisons. I hope the extra cash spent on the upgrade to the 470M was worth it ><

 

Well, i can't find the ssd im looking for so yeah i will wait till i could get it some time later

Congrats! im loving my Dual 480s
when there is an disavantage there will always be an advantage nearby

 

Nope, W880CU and W870CU use different chassis and different AC Adapters; W880CU is 180W TDP; W870CU 120W (or 150W for i7-940X). Both models are going to stay around for a little while, but W880CU is better buy long terms as it can support 100W+ GPUs and GPU O/C function.

 

Yeah especially when you are from eurocom.

 

How much TDP is a W870CU with i7-920X + 5870m ? I got a new 160W psu and my computer keep shutting down anyway if I overclock this beast more than 20x multi on the cpu and 850/1100 for the ATI.

Edit: My system is from Eurocom

 

Lol @ calling Eurocommunist and giving them personal info for some benchmarks. No wonder everyone hates on that company.

 

Hahaha yeah well... eurocom is not a big deal... their price are very high, sell thing that don't even exist yet and sometime never replay to your e-mail (like mine, still waiting for John to replay hahaha). Anyway, they gave me a very good support so far.

 

The issue isn't the power brick, the issue is the power circuity on the mainboard. Pushing too far could fry your system, regardless of how much power the brick can push out. That's one of the things that was improved in the w880cu.

Personally, I won't go over 70TDP/65TDC for everyday use; and that's with a decently undervolted video card to compensate.

 

And how you we Undervolt the 5870m ? it is safe ?

 

ITS IN! I hope to have a decent benchmarking review tonight. For those who cannot wait......
15442 3dmark06, everything stock with no tweaking!

My ASUS G73JH (ATI 5870) had a stock score of 12318, so i'm looking at a 25% improvement so far!

I'll get some serious benchmarks done tonight and post.

 

Congrats!!

Would like to see your 3D Mark Vantage score on stock.

 

You got it.
I only find it far to find the most current, optimal driver for new laptops. We all know how much the vendors put drivers through before “officially” releasing them (and it takes too long).
The box came with 259.51 installed. I just installed 261.00 from lv2g and the 3dmark06 is almost done…..
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15650, not much but still better.

Now its time for the FUN! Catch ya soon.

PS: where are your benchmarks SacredDreams?

 

Thread here. It's as safe as anything else, if you know what you're doing, you should be fine. Just be sure to record your steps, so you can blind-flash back if need be.

Heavy stress testing is key if you're going to do this.

 

So is the 470m any better than 480m ?

 

If it's pulling almost 16k in 06, it is.

 

is it so? gtx 470m somehow is better than 480m despite having 288 cores vs 356? someone enlighten me on this.

 

3dmark06 run with a 940XM is the worst indicator possible.

 

For comparison, the below was a Vantage and 06 score in a NP8850 with a 480m using a 920xm CPU...slightly overclocked...

 

I think it is not stock per stock better than 480m. By the way, whats the price difference betwen the 2 cards ?

I would like to see a vantage p score. I know the 480m score 9900 or smtn.
But im willing to bet a 470m overclocked to 100w, would be better than a 480m.

Try to run techie, a vantage p run, so we can see how it scores.

 

The 480m is a GF100 (Fermi v1.0) chip based on the the desktop 465, which was a terrible card. The 470m is based on GF104 (Fermi v1.1) which is much more efficient. The 480m may have more shaders, but the 470m is clocked 20% higher.

 

Oh gosh that saddens me.

 

I didn't update my drivers yet, my scored are on the X7200 Owner Thread. Will try 3D Mark 06 later

 

hey guys,
just ordered a Sager 8690-s1 with extra bluray player ^_^
anyway the payment is sent and waiting to move to phrase 2,
i got a question, how long does it take to recive the laptop and im not talking here about the estimated time and asking about the actual time that it take, so my question is to the people who recive it recently, and what about a seriuse compare between the 480m GTX and the 470m GTX, i heard that the 470m is a 480m but way better optimized and have a higher clockrates but less cores, so which one is better ?
(side note: i have been reading posts here since couple of months and saw that there is really nice and helpful people here so i thought i would register and communicate instead of just watching)
thanks in advance

 

Hey there, the 470m has a more optimised core. It has less power consumption and probably less heat. In terms of performance, stock to stock probably similar with the 480m puling ahead a small bit. Choosing the 470m on a laptop that is capable of cooling the 480m is a good idea because of the price and the overclockablility because it would run cooler at higher clocks enabling it to surpass the 480m...maybe.

 

Is there the posiblity to buy the w880cu chasis with 470m instead of the 480m ?
I would also want to know, does the w870cu chasis has usb 3.0 ?

 

The only thing different between the W880CU and the W870CU chassis is the backpanel and the PSU (and of course the GPU). The current production motherboards on both the notebooks are the same, in which they both come with USB 3.0 too. Clevo saves a lot of money by doing this. You can easily pick up the W880CU backpanel for $40, and, if you so desire, the 180W PSU for $50. You instantly get more modding room with the W880CU backpanel on a W870CU CPU heatsink and non GTX 480M heatsink. You can shove in a whole row of 6mm high RAMsinks on each of them. And you get to keep your spare 120W for the road when you don't need the extra horsepower and turn down your clocks. Oh wait... I did all that already.

You really don't need the W880CU backpanel unless you intend to mod, or are too poor to afford a pair of erasers from Walgreens to prop up the back of your notebook. It's bad for the radiators too since they have no backing to rest upon since there would be a huge gap between the bottom of the radiator and the inside of the panel where the rubber feet are. It's not worth buying a backpanel just to raise the back another ~8mm.

Buy the W870CU with the GTX 470M. You're not going to regret it.

 

So im not missing much by gettin the w870cu.

The reason i would like to get the w880cu is because i would have the future posibility to upgrade to a 100w card.

So if i get the 870 with 470 and i also get the "You can easily pick up the W880CU backpanel for $40, and, if you so desire, the 180W PSU for $50." i bassicaly have a moded 870 to 880 ?

What is this back panel are you talking about ? Is it the back part of the laptop, that can be taken out and replaced by the one in 880 ?

Yah, i would very much like to get the 180w psu with my w87ocu and 470 just to make sure i will never run in any troublrs.

I am from romania, so i have to buy from european retailers.
What european retailer allowed you to get the 180psu on your w870cu order ?

Or is that a sepparate buy ?

 

Yes, you can turn one of the the current production W870CU's into a W880CU just by buying the backpanel and the PSU. I forgot to mention in my last post about the BIOS too. You can also flash the W880CU BIOS onto the W870CU. If a 100W card comes out, just buy the above components, the card, and a new CPU heatsink.

This is the backpanel. This is the original one from my W870CU before I bought a W880CU one and did the same thing to it. Of course it's only a one way compatibility since a W870CU backpanel won't fit on the W880CU because of the taller CPU and GPU radiators. http://forum.notebookreview.com/5913413-post1189.html

All of the Clevo retailers should have the "official" 180W PSU for sale as a separate purchase for an equivalent USD120. The one I am talking about is on eBay. You save a lot of money off the sticker price and shipping costs.

If you buy the W870CU, you do not need to get anything else. Only if you purchase a 9x0XM with the intention of overclocking it, and your GPU, would you want to invest in the 180W PSU.

 

Congratulations Tech17! I hope it is as insane as your initial tests

@SacredDreams don't feel down, your system is brilliant

 

This may liberate $700 from my pocket if power numbers are comparable to the 5870.

 

hmm.. nicee so i can consider my self bought a modified ver of the 480m gtx xDD
did anyone try to run crysis with this one ? and what about Metero 2033 ?
im eager to know more about this card
btw what is the price deff between the 2 cards.
thanks guys

 

Just a note to say unless you have the newer version release of the Sager NP8690, 8760, or W860CU, W870CU this card may not work well in your system. Sager for one has noticed different problems. A easy way to tell if you have the newer motherboard revision is if your has the one USB 3.0 port that has been shipping in the last couple of months. Again this is what one factory has told us on using the 470M...
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Is it a BIOS support issue? Because they run on the same BIOS.

 

From my understanding it is a hardware matter and not the bios. They did not say that it would not work but just could cause some problems. The exact problems were not stated.
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Not that I was chomping at the bit to pick one up, but that's good to know.

 

Are those "problems" present with the 460m as well?

 

There could be problems for upgrading to the 460M as well. These new cards the 460M, 470M, and 480M were designed with the newer 2010 revisions that were made for several of the Clevo-Sager models. Again it may work, but there is no guarantees of it working fully in the way it was designed.

 

Hmm, I hope this can be fully confirmed.

 

Why didn't they state the exact problems and why were they so vague. They could have given a little information. As it stands, we have no idea whether the problem was Driver related, on what scale it occurred, symptoms or anything else.

 

It would be nice to know these things for sure.

 

Some have wanted some pics of the nVidia 470M's. You will notice that these like the 480M's are nVidia all the way on the board not subbed out, like some in the past...




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Any chance of purchasing one?