Sager NP8851, P950ER: Maximizing 1070 Max Q Performance

Just posting some data I have from my 150W P950ER from Gentech, LM for both GPU and CPU. These are the highest scores I've gotten while still being stable during the benchmarks.

Usually I run 220 MHz for both mem and core for games. During highest turbo was around 1650 MHz, avg was around 1300 MHz. GPU temps around 84C.

Would love to see a BIOS update to allow for 90-100W. Currently, GPU voltage does not exceed 850 mV no matter what.

Highest Valley results: -140mV undervolt on CPU, OC'd GPU 230MHz Core, 300 MHz mem



Highest Firestrike results: -140mV undervolt on CPU, OC'd GPU 236MHz Core, 305 MHz mem


Aida 64 + Furmark, -135mV undervolt on CPU

 

Hmm, your image links seem broken, can't see anything form here :S

Also, does NP8851 offers the same package (power supply, internal system, etc.) as Clevo P955er? Could the same settings also be applied on P955er?

 

Basically the same yes.

 

Hey mate, dying to read your results but as other people have reported here your images seem broken... I've got a 950HR, which I believe is the same GPU (also the 80W) and have been searching for a decent Afterburner profile, I can hit about +400mhz on mem but not more than 160mhz core (nets me about 15600 in firestrike 1.1 graphics only) which seems to be the standard amount, just wondering if this was just from a core clock boost or this was a full voltage/core profile you made custom? Any other mods to allow this? Thanks a heap in advance

 

All you can do is do a custom curve and hope you have decent silicon lottery, sadly the P95x series seem to have castrated GTX 1070MQ (yes somehow they managed to castrate a castrated GPU).

Also cooling will improve performance, since your boostclocks rely on temperatures as well.

 

Hey mate, that's just stupid, there's nothing wrong with the 1070MQ in these models, the P95x performs better than most other 80w 1070MQ laptops because the thermals are so good (do a bit of research on how these PC's are actually performing), it's also smaller and lighter and doesn't scream "gamer", just the way i like it. Calling them "Castrated" is just ignorant, all you ever post is salt mate, please don't waste my time replying to me in future hey, every thread i see your name on is you attacking sager or clevo or people with different ideas. Cheers.

 

1.) Clevo is the only brand out there who has a 80W Maxq, all the others have 90W.
2.) Clevo performs by far the worst when it comes to CPU and GPU
3.) before telling someone that something is stupid and he has to do research, you might want to do it yourself first.

 

Literally all Max-Q 1070s I have seen across ODMs are 80W, except for the one in the 15x.

GPU throttle will be acticvated once the GPU breaches TDP limit, which results in showing slightly more in monitoring software like HWinfo64, but those are just spikes before the clocks and voltage are efficiently dropped and not sustained loads.

 

As per Prema, please stop spreading more misinformation and criticising others before checking your own information.

 

I updated the photos, hopefully everyone can see them now.

 

And the one in razer cough cough(OC)




And in every 1070MQ asus laptop(STOCK PERFORMANCE WITH I7 7700HQ)


80w 1070 brands
Clevo. And MSI

90w 1070 brands
Gigabyte, razer and asus

Stock 90w > oc 80w

You're the one who said it was designed to handle 115w with it's superior hardware, yet somehow it can't take 90w

 

GS65 has similar cooling to the clevo. The P950 is thicker and heavier than the GS65 too. Don't spread misinformation. The reason I am so vocal about this is that the GPU cooling in the P950ER rivels razers. The only thing preventing it from reaching it is cancer clevo EC/Vbios/PSU.which is fixable but they won't bother since I'm the only one screaming.

On average the P95XER is the slowest 80w 1070MQ laptop


This is a GS65 just for fun

 

These are the P955ER in game clocks

920mhz average clocks with 1050mhz maximum. When will they stop gutting the card for crying out loud. @Prema please tell me you're not defending this. if these trash bags at clevo can get away with this than LG can put a gtx 1080 in their LG gram, downclock it to 186mhz and run with it.

Lock at this catastrophe. A 1070MQ in name but 1060MQ in performance. This is an XMG machine, which matches nicely with Q6 results who showed the same exact 923mhz clock speed.......

So much for your internal testing @XMG Hah ?

 

PA7 is 125W, not P9

 

I am talking about your comment that it can handle 1070 at normal clocks/wattage(115w). If that was the case why didn't clevo go with the 90w 1070MQ ?

 

^^^Makes no sense at all.

You're talking about Witcher figures, I was talking about Furmark and Prime figures - I couldn't have been more clear.

 

In the Q6 review you said in your "internal testing" you got better results. In the end both machines throttled to a glorious 920mhz. Both machines throttled to the same frequncy(clock for clocks)and If it can't keep 1ghz in witcher 3 what do you expect from it in the much more demanding Furmark ?

 

Yes we did, in Furmark and Prima as I clearly said twice already and in the post that you just replied to.

I expect Furmark to throttle, because it always does, because it's a stability test that hardly anyone uses any more because it kills GPUs. As you can read from the links in my post in the other thread, some drivers actually limit GPU clock speeds when they detect Furmark running in order to protect the GPU from damage:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-q-in-the-p950er.816681/page-16#post-10747750


Btw, Witcher 3 Gameplay FPS results from notebookcheck:

Schenker Key 15
HIGH - 91.3
Ultra - 50.2

Eurocom Q6
HIGH - 97
Ultra - 48.9

Gigabyte Aero 15X 200MHz higher GPU clock in Witcher 3 stress test, 90W version of GPU not 80W like the above 2.
HIGH - 92.8
Ultra - 52.4

 

Extend the benchmarks for a few more minutes and you would get 1060MQ performance.


The aero 15x has single channel memory while the rest have daul+GPU thermal throttling(it's still winning thanks to the vastly superior 90w card). I don't want to even mention how much of this becomes a one sided contest if we add the razer



From notebookcheck

ASUS GX501VS(90W, daul channel) 16.2k
Aero 15x (90W, single channel) 15.2k
Gs65 (80w, daul channel) 14.7k
You laptop(80w, daul channel) 14.1k

My furmark comments were about a guy who is getting 1200mhz, I told him stock it was 700mhz(like other 80w 1070MQ)

 

Can we just keep this to http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-q-in-the-p950er.816681/page-16#post-10747760 thread ?

 

Fine.

 

You literally quoted a post of mine from May 201 7 regarding the introduction of Max-Q in general:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/new-clevos-with-max-q.805381/#post-10536157

I have seen the systems going through certification back then in 2017 and they started out at default TDP and had been crippled down until noise and temps met NVIDIA's standard:

too loud > no Max-Q
too hot > no Max-Q

That's why they have to limit the firmware. If you don't care about that just **** the warranty, flash another vBIOS and be done with it. Just be advised that the CPU will throttle more with higher combined load.

 

Can I flash a razer blade 2018 Vbios(1070MQ 90W) ? I already have a dump of one. I don't want to buy the laptop than find out I can't flash another Vbios

If you can't than everyone buying it is condemned to 920mhz just to keep those fans at 40db

Why not implement thermal throttling ? In the aero 15x at max-Q fans you get 80w performance but once you kick those fans up you get 90w performance.

 

You can flash whatever you want.
If NVflash allows it and doesn't bomb with an error. Or you can break out the SPI programmer and 1.8v adapter and do things like real men do things.

Just don't be surprised if you get a black screen or lose brightness control by using a different manufacturers' vbios on your laptop. You can't do what you can with desktop video card party mix, you know that right?

 

Yeah I know. Still everything is better than 36fps at witcher 3 ultra.

Hopefully, It will work.

 

No you can't. I already told you the only way to do this is to take a hardware programmer and do mod your own vBios and apparently that only works on very specific revisions of pascal cards.

I don't know why you're so obsessed with flashing the gimped clevo anyways.

 

And you then end up with a CPU running at 800Mhz, re-read what Prema wrote..

There is a total system power budget, use more on the GPU, and the CPU is starved, yay your 1800Mhz 90ºC 1070 is now paired with a 1.xGhz CPU, amazing performance for sure..

 

A 1070MQ will never reach 1800mhz even if you cap the CPU at 5w

The GPU has a 80w cap
The system has a 150w cap(EC)

Pass any of them and you get throttling



EC throttling will be fixed once(if?)Prema mod hits the P950 laptops. As prema mod disables EC throttling completely

 

Oh really ?

- Falkentyne, a guy who also knows better about this than you

 

You can't flash modified Pascal VBIOS via NVFlash..

Why are you so hell bent on buying a limited laptop and hopping that Prema will mod it so it will behave like a non Max-Q model?

Just get a non Max-Q model from the get go, problem solved.

 

Prema(if he releases his mod for P950) will remove EC throttling that is causing it to perform like a 1060MQ(1060MQ, not 1070MQ) and makes it work like a normal 80w 1070MQ .



I don't want a 10~6lb tank on my bag while cycling(it will properly make for a good work out thought)



See this graph. Once EC throttling kicks in the performance tanks to 34fps aka 1060MQ performance.

 

Falkentyne will NEVER claim that you can flash modded pascal vBIOS with nvflash. Absolutely nobody will claim that with half a brain.

 

Flashing a stock razer Vbois is one thing

Flashing a modded P95XER vbios is another.

 

He speaks the truth. Senso is on point.
Why are you (ahmed) crying about crappy max Qripipled laptops?

 

Not crying. Just wondering about the possibilities .