Sager NP9170 disapointed

I thought it was a cool idea for video capture but not worth the extra money by a long shot.

 

Dorm rooms.

 

I had a great chuckle reading this thread Thanks guys
First off, I have done my reearch, and have seen first hand how the Sager looks and performs. I have also seen the M18, after the ooOOOOOOoooo moment, i was over it. shure it could xfire and sli, but i dont want to dump 3+ grand into a laptop. Plus the Clevo looks profesional, and i can take it into work.
AW is sweet and everything but I think the Clevo is for me.

oh and Origin uses clevos, falcon northwest uses clevos, sager, prostar, and many many many others use clevo for their chassis. who uses AW? oh, dell... thats it.

 

Step into the Wayback machine. Many, many moons ago, before Dell purchased AW, guess what chassis AW used...

Spoiler

Google Answers: The truth about Alienware laptops

 

Yes, really. There are console games that aren't being ported to the PC (or done badly at that), and there are specific backpacks that are designed to hold both a 17" laptop and a console comfortably.

 

Just make sure you potential buyers to avoid the 7970m because that is infested with the horror utilization issue. Get gtx 680m and if you say you can't afford it, then you can't afford paying upwards of 1,500+ anyway so if you are spending more than $1,500+ anyway, might as well get the stable fastest gpu in gtx 680 than buying a horror infested ATI 7970m.

And to potential trolls that already have the 7970m that will try and bash me, that's ok and I understand that you are trying to justify your purchase since you are stuck with it now and can't return it nomore unless you can sell it and get at least 90% of your money back.

 

I have the 7970m and I also have an option to switch it to a 680m. I will change it if the problems are not solved. Still, it is not performing poorly, just not as well as it should. It is still better than a 675m and costs 300 euro less than a 680m. So if you can't afford the 680m, go for the 7970m.

And you seem to be the one who's trolling here...

 

Ladies and gents, this entire thread is based off of a 3ms delay. Amazing!

I came from an Asus G73jh to my NP9170. I am thoroughly enjoying it. The fingerprints don't bother me as they easily wipe off unlike the grease stains on the matte finished Asus. The keyboard is also a lot better and I'm on the base one, not the Steelseries. Yeah, I have enduro issues, but games are still performing a lot better than on the 5870. Only things I miss from the Asus was that the front of the laptop sloped down for ergonomics and that there were FN media controls on the arrow keys.

I work offshore and it would have saved me from buying a TV to hook my PS3 up to. Also, please point me to the PC versions of Gran Turismo 5, Uncharted series, Ultimate MvC, Skate series, Dragon's Dogma, etc.? Because I do buy the PC versions when given the choice. There are such things as console exclusives, you know.

 

I have a P150EM with matte 95% gamut screen and it is flawless as well, actually the best I've ever used. Good luck with AW, OP, every company has lemons and tech support can be shady too.

I'll never forget my old Dell Inspiron 9300 that had a bad screen. The tech came out to replace the LCD, and he cracked the bezel and scratched new screen because he was a moron. He told me to - tape it up for now- and don't tell Dell about it, and he'll come back to replace it with some probably random/refurb part. I promptly returned it to Dell, and haven't bought Dell since.

This Clevo laptop is very well built and continues to impress me. I'm using it at work as I type this and I love the versatility of this beast. All business during the day, looks like a ho-hum run of the mill laptop yet is powerful enough to be a desktop. I would've loved to have tried AW despite my Dell experience, never had one, but as a lawyer my clients would not take me seriously typing on one of those!

 

OMG!! This I did not know! :thumbsup:

 

Yep, pretty much this exactly. The stock keyboard does suck though and I will be replacing it soon. However the machine itself has been perfect, the build quality is on par with Dell/HP, etc. The 95% screen i simply stunning, I just love the color reproduction on it. I use my laptop as my main machine at work as well as at home a lot of the time. This is the first laptop I have had that is fast enough that it doesn't irritate me to use it. I am using my desktop system quite a bit less now that I have this machine. It's pretty awesome that I can bring it to work and develop, run VM's, do whatever with seemingly no limits, and then take the same machine home and fire up some games and have great performance and quality too.

 

Ok I just retested, and this is what I see:

In Skyrim, with the stock matte screen (NP9150), when you turn your head and look closely at an object, notice how the object isn't quite as defined during the motion. It slightly blurs. On the desktop, you may even notice there is a small ghosting trail behind the white mouse cursor if you move the mouse quickly over a dark background. Seems more noticeable in FPS games where you are closer to objects in terms of POV. This doesn't happen AT ALL on my Samsung 2494 monitor; objects stay solid with no slight blurring. It sounds like nothing but is actually annoying. The Samsung also has a faster response time (5ms), taking away that "mouse lag" feel. Yes, there you have it folks, 8ms does have a NOTICEABLE difference from 5ms. I don't know what it could be. My refresh is set to 60hz for both the laptop monitor and my Samsung external monitor. I think the 8ms might actually be the cause of both the motion blur and the mouse lag. No mouse lag and blurring on my desktop Samsung monitor.

 

No, it is not the ms difference. Its because your Samsung is just better. You can have ghosting and blurring with a 2ms screen, and not with a 10ms screen, if the latter is better. Just google what the ms differences actually mean.

 

Then what causes it? There is a technical aspect, it isn't just "that one is better."

 

the ms on a screen is how fast information goes back and forth between he BUS and the LCD, what makes the screens perform better or worse depends on the actual display controller inside the monitor, the one responsible for the response time on screen is actually the driver and not the DAC. a typical LCD screen will give you that slight anti-aliasing effect especialy on contrasted pictures. a very top end LCD will have several dedicated drivers inside to drive vertical and horizontal refresh individually where as entry level to mid level LCDs will have a single driver to drive both vertical ad horizontal refresh. A higher Gamut screen tends to have a semi ghosting effect on moderate to high movement images, because of the way they are made. LEDs perform better than pure crystal displays because they refresh faster and are not interlinked, but still this is minimal.

Going back to the thing Montage said about a 10ms performing better than a 2ms screen is true because some monitors have better drivers inside them.

 

You are wrong, response time do the difference, I had a samsung (2010 forget the model) with three speed modes (don't know why its useless)

Normal: 6-7ms Ghosting
Fast: 5ms Standard
Fastest 2ms Perfect

The difference was easy to see.

Anyway i saw in the service manual of the P170EM that there is a 30 pins eDP port beside the LVDS, so i will buy a better screen and a steelseries keyboard plus a good usb audio card.

 

Your logic fails you. You are talking about different modes of a single screen. The ms figures are just estimations that the manufacturers put on their screens. And they don't always mean the same thing. You cannot simply compare the ms figures from different manufacturers (or even between the screens of a single manufacturer?).

 

Ok so how can i know how fast it is?

 

Thanks its good to know.

 

I guess by reading some reviews, trying one out, or by going in blind as you did (and I) .

Here are some guides I found (not sure how accurate their are):

Monitor buying guide - CNET Reviews

How to Buy a Monitor | PCWorld

I would probably look for the lowest response time too, but one should also check the other important figures.

 

On web pages when i scroll down and up, orange color become orange light, small blue text become nearly invisible.

 

I found this site, its a kind of database.

Global Panel Exchange Center - Panelook.com

 

this thread is great for a laugh...
tiguy- your screen is clearly defective. It has been from the start. RMA it already.

Neo- im sorry that your power brick broke and that sucks, but stuff like that happens occasionally and is unavoidable. Id chalk that one up to bad luck. The rest of your accusation are laughable and lack any remote source of credibility. Please SHOW ME WHERE AN SSD PERFORMS BETTER IN A AW. The only way it would is if you are connecting the SSD into the Optical bay which is clearly disclosed as SATAII. After reading your numerous rants on here and in other threads I dismiss everything you say as you sound like a whiny child with a well developed vocabulary.

 

Agreed, but more like a "joke" of a thread. I honestly thought it was at first.. I've owned plenty of AW and Clevo machines (I buy bare bones and build them) and AW is no better than Clevo, regardless how bad you want to convince yourself. GL with the whole 5ms vs 8ms, you won't notice a difference. Why not contact your reseller for a replacement and go from there? Don't kid yourself that AW machines have no problems, I paid $2500 for mine last year and the GTX 580 constantly would downclock itself and stutter and then the system wouldn't boot several months later.

 

Done, hope i will not have to pay for the shipping i paid enough.

 

This is discussion is a joke.

None of you provide any evidence, nor any indication of understanding OR any legit information to backup what the hell is that you are trying to say.

Please sort it out, my head hurts from reading all of this b/s. Really just.. sort it out. I'll chim in real quick.

The ms does matter, the faster the better, different screens, different speeds, motion blur is a funny matter, don't mind it. 120hz vs 60hz has a giant difference.

Oh and just real quick Response time (technology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, have fun with the discussion now

 

Ms does matter, but not the ms stated by the manufacturer as such. I know I'm splitting hairs but I wouldn't use the word "legit" and "Wikipedia" in a same sentence

 

Not same sentence

The "oh and just real quick" was just a add-on of mine to the original post, hopefully we'll get somewhere.

Btw yes slight misunderstanding, the ms stated by the manufacturer varies and is often "incorrect" that's why we've got reviews

 

Some reading...

Apple MacBook Pro 15 inch 2011: Full Review
HP Envy 17-3002ef: Full Review

Faster screens use eDP, hope we will be able to use the 30 pins eDP connector on 9170/9150
The connector is the same as the 40 pins LVDS but with 30 pins, but the connector and the wire found on most eDP screens is not the same.
They should lunch the np91 series with full eDP out of box

 

Hey now.......Wikipedia was actually a decent resource for my Master's thesis , but I wouldn't be caught dead citing it as such though. :thumbsup:

 

Wikipedia is great if you use it to get to the sources they used for the wiki page.

 

I'm not arguing about stuff I know nothing about, hence I haven't said anything about the subject, but sheesh, the amount of arrogance in that post of yours could down a grown elephant

 

Asked for a refund because it broke in less than 30 days.
enjoy your sacer