Sager NP9758 Question

I'm in the market for a new multimedia laptop workstation.
After a ton of research, I stumbled upon the Sager NP9758.
Specifically, upgraded to the i7 6700k, GTX 980M and a 4K display.

I'm concerned about proper cooling with this setup.
I reached out to Sager and they commented that under full load I could expect temps in the 80s.
I reached out to Origin (just as a comparison), and they said I could expect temps in the 90s.

These both seem fairly high, but I'm not sure, so I wanted to reach out to other Sager owners and get an opinion.
Are CPU/GPU temps in the 80s-90s a safe range for this hardware?

I will primarily be doing video editing and 3d rendering - so I plan on putting a lot of stress on this hardware pretty frequently.

What has your experience been?
And if you personally own a NP9758, I'd love to hear from you in terms of overall build quality, performance, etc.

Thanks for your time!

 

High 80s - low 90s Celsius is pretty common under max load with the 6700K + 980M. It's still safe, but if you find yourself fast approaching - or exceeding - triple digits, that's too high. A good quality compound and safe practices (keeping the vents, heat sinks, and fans unobstructed, and the system elevated by about an inch on a hard, flat surface, etc.) should ensure the laptop continues plugging away with no issues.

 

I have the same laptop but the CLEVO original version, they're exactly the same. My temps while just working in 2D Mode web browsing is between 40C to 50C and when gaming 75 to 85C. Now if I run a stress test like wPRIME or Intel Extreme Tuning Utility, the temps reach up to 98C even though I have Liquid Ultra thermal paste on the CPU, but that kind of benchmark does not reflect a real world usage scenario. The laptop has excellent cooling and is very quiet. you can also manually turn on the fans on full blast by pressing FN + number 1 on the keyboard and that will bring the temps down by another 5C. Good to enable this when you know you are doing something super CPU intensive but I rarely if ever turn the full blast on my fans

 

@Prostar Computer is there an application that you'd recommend (or a built-in utility) to monitor CPU and GPU temps?
I'd really like to keep my eye on this, as I do plan on doing some hardcore video/3D rendering.

@Matrix Leader How do you like the laptop? Seems like a beast.

I've been thinking about pairing this with a laptop cooling pad - not sure if any of them on the market would actually help tame some of these temps, or if they are gimmicky.
Any thoughts on these?

 

1) Just run HWMonitor and you'll see the clock speeds/CPU/Motherboard/GPU temps:



2) I love this laptop, it is the most powerful laptop on the market right now and nothing comes to its power. My only gripe is about its keyboard, it has a 15" keyboard on this 17.3" laptop so you have a lot of wasted real estate, all plastic on the sides that could've been better utilized by putting a proper 17" keyboard. It's been a month since I've owned this laptop and until now, I can't for the life of me get used to typing on this thing even though I have very small hands. I keep making mistakes.

3) Regarding the cooling pad, see:
Cooler Master NotePal U3 PLUS decreased my temps by 8C

Note: If you live outside the USA, or even if you live in the USA, I recommend you buy it from HIDevolution, that's where I got mine, their warranty is superb. They cover the shipping costs back and forth twice per year if anything goes wrong. And if it's just a small part that needs replacement, they will send you the part if you want, then after fitting it in your laptop, you can send the old one back, that way you don't have to be without your laptop.

See:

HIDevolution's Warranty!

My experience from ordering a taptop from HIDevolution

 

@Matrix Leader ok, so you have the 17" model then. I was looking at those, but it doesn't look like any of them come with a 4k display, so thats why I opted for the 15" model.
The 980M SLI setup though is very tempting. VERY tempting.

I'm curious if the 17" model is cooler overall, as it has more internal room than the 15"?

 

I have the 17" P870DM-G yes.

you want a 4K screen on a 15" laptop man?? I wouldn't dare to have a 4K screen on even an 18" laptop, let alone 15" but hey, whatever floats your boat.

See my take on 4K screens:
How does anyone in his right mind buy a 4K screen laptop?

 

@Matrix Leader I'm currently using a 60" 4K Samsung Television as my display for my desktop computer.
The image quality is absolutely incredible.
The only issue is with Adobe Bridge - I guess Adobe overlooked this application when working out scaling issues, as this application runs with menus and buttons so insanely small that you cant even read them - which makes Adobe Bridge completely unusable at that resolution (which sucks, as I used it all the time).
Every other application I use, every game that I play, etc - all run perfect at 4K resolution.

4K is a big deal to me, as I do a lot of video and design work.
If all I was going to do is play video games, I probably wouldn't care much if it was a 1080p or 4K display.
But honestly, for my line of work, having access to 4K makes a massive difference.

EDIT: I'm also wanting to "future proof" my system. With 4K becoming more of a video standard, this will ensure me that my $3k+ laptop investment will last me more than just a few years.
Any scaling issues with various OS or applications that people use will inevitably be worked out.

 

There are a few good ones. I think the best ones around are HWMonitor and HWiNFO64. Either one will give you pretty comprehensive, real time temperature readings.

 

HWinfo64 is a more comprehensive and overall better application... It will give you the temps for any of the temp sensors in the laptops and stats about the components in your laptop etc... Definitely get's my recommendation!!!

 

@Prostar Computer and @TomJGX Thank you for the recommendations. HWinfo64 looks awesome!

I'd like to hear someone else's take on the 1080p vs 4k display in these computers.
Perhaps @Prostar Computer could comment on their experience seeing both of these on the production line...?

 

and @Matrix Leader I just read your signature.... 64GB of RAM?!?!??! Holy $hit.

 

UHD (4K) looks phenomenal when you have a high resolution video or image, but otherwise it's a bit redundant, and some users complain about scaling in Windows.
FHD (1080p) looks great on 15" - 18" monitors. With how fast higher resolutions are being adopted, though, 1080p may fall by the wayside in the not very distant future.

I appreciate UHD, but it's perhaps a little better geared towards larger, external monitors and TVs.

 

my motto is, if you wanna buy something, be it a car or a computer or anything, either get it with max specs or don't

I only use 4 GB of RAM but I like to have everything maxed out

 

i might be a bit confused here but....isnt the NP9758 the P750DM? @Matrix Leader ure sporting the P870DM which is the Sager NP9870.... or do u have both the phoenix and the P770DM? just saying, before you continue to give good advice on a completely different machine

 

Ooooops I feel like a Muppet now

 

oooh u have no idea how many times i get mixed up with the sager names...clevo designations are no problem, but to keep those aligned with the sager names, oh boy....

 

I know, I do personally like the clevo names better too But we along with others have both listed to help make it clear

 

I have the 9758 with IC diamond thermal compound, with the configuration in my signature (6700k, 980M, 1080p FHD (not 4k)). I run Fallout 4 on Ultra with antialiasing (consistent 60FPS), my temperature typically stays around 67 degrees, but maxes out at 75 degrees. In starcraft 2 I hit about 63 degrees max, and in dota 2 I hit about 64 degrees max. When I exit Fallout 4, my temps drop to about 57 degrees very very fast (20-30 seconds) and then continue to decline pretty steadily to 50 degrees (my idle temperature). Thats for GPU, I don't remember the cpu temps, but I'll take a look and report back. Looking right now, my CPU idle temp seems to be about 42 degrees average (the 4 cores vary).

EDIT: in starcraft 2, in single player mode, the in game movies cause my gpu temp to rise to about 70.

 

That's some pretty good temps. Wouldn't be surprised to see it where OP was talking about either.

Overall the 9758 has a good chassis to help with dissipating heat and doing the things like keeping it elevated will help, get a notebook cooler for cheap and call it good when it's on the desk.

 

My cpu temp seems to hit about 75 in heavy gaming. FYI, I think the 980M starts to throttle after 80 degrees, but I'm not sure, I just remember reading that somewhere. Of course that is stock, I think with the prema vBios, throttling is disabled for instance.

I think if you're ever doing something that would cause your temps to hit 90 degrees for more than a couple minutes, you definitely want to invest in a notebook cooler and do whatever you can to keep those temps down. I would assume 90+ degrees would be detrimental after a short while.

 

For your GPU, 90C is something you don't want to hit ever! 75C should be your max temp IMO... If you do hit 90C, stop using your laptop, repaste your GPU with some good IC Diamond/Gelid GC Extreme paste and replace the thermal pads with some good ones...

For CPU, 90C is fine.. As long as your below 95C, it's ok... Whichever way, repaste if your hitting that ( I am with my 4790K, just waiting for some new thermal pads and do everything in 1 go)....

 

I just got my first sager (np9758-s) with the i7 6700k and gtx 980m. The build quality is very good. The heat management is also very good.

Previously, I had an HP Elitebook, an HP mobile workstation, a Compaq laptop, and have used Dell laptops and desktops at work. The HP professional products were built to a military specification that indicates that they are somewhat dust and spill proof and can handle some vibration and drops. Obviously, the Sager is not built to this same standard. But for a consumer grade laptop, it is built very, very well. Quiet, cool, fast, rigid frame, sturdy, comfortable keyboard, simple, clean looks, high quality screen.

I am posting because in large part I took a chance on Sager because of the many good reviews I read in forums. I feel as though my investment in Sager is worth it. I am using this computer primarily as a 3D modeling, rendering, and simulation workstation. So far, I have tested this computer's performance by rendering out a 7200 x 7200 pixel image of a large, complex 3D model built in MODO 902 using high raytracing settings (e.g., 512 rays, many light bounces, large indirect ray distance, etc.).

Under full render load with all cores at 100%, the core temperatures are in the range of high 70's to high 80's (celsius). These temperatures were recorded with the HWMonitor application with the laptop sitting on a wooden table top in a room that had a temperature in the low 70's (fahrenheit). The fan noise is noticeable but surprisingly quiet.

This temperature range is acceptable and safe for the hardware but I would rather the chip were operating in the 60-75 degree temperature range under full service load. I put the laptop on a coolmaster extra-slim cooling pad with two opolar coolers over the rear heat exhaust vents and that dropped the temperature 10-15 degrees celcius so that the CPU was running under full load for about an hour at between 65-80 degrees celsius. There was moderate fan noise because the opolar fans are a bit louder than the built-in fans or the coolmaster cooling pad fan. My understanding is that these temperatures for a fairly powerful desktop CPU in a laptop are very good, sustainable temperatures that will allow for long-term operation under full service load without damaging the system.

When the laptop was cooled by the internal fan only when running under full load, the system did throttle back the CPU clock speed by 1% occasionally to keep temperatures under 90 degrees celsius. This should not be taken as a criticism of the laptop. On the contrary. I am astonished at how well-designed the integration of this desktop i7 into this laptop is. The heat management is terrific. For an air-cooled i7 desktop chip in a laptop that is cooled only by the stock built-in fans running at a quiet speed to only have to throttle the CPU back occasionally by 1% while running the cores at full service load for about an hour is very, very good. The system never throttled performance down by more than 1% and it never reached 90 degrees celsius or above even though the processor cores were running under full service load for an extended period of time.

Under normal everyday loads, like email, website browsing, and video watching, the temperature ranges from 40-60 degrees celsius with the fans just about silent or 25-40 degrees celsius if i rest the laptop on the coolmaster extra-slim cooler and/or using the opolar vacuum coolers.

Interestingly, the GPU has run surprisingly cool (40-60 degrees celsius) under almost all conditions.

Overall, I am thrilled with the purchase. Other manufacturer's that offer the same laptop (Clevo-based) price the systems at up to $1000 more. And the person who has helped me at Sager has been very knowledgeable, nice, and responsive.

 

welcome to the clevo side of life buddy, enjoy your beast workstation

 

You should look to see if propping up the back of the machine about 2-3cm gives the same result without the extra fan noise