Sager NP9873-S, LOTS OF PROBLEMS.....(with video proof)

Hey Guys..
After reading this thread.. I'm kind of scratching my head.. is this NP9873-S worth buying? or winch one???
I also will do a lot of video editing (Avid staff - 4K video) and Gaming as well as steam vr games.
I like the sager hardware upgrade options. but
I appreciate any suggestion.
Thanks

 

Short answer. If you a little experience with computers, the P870DM3 is a freaking beast. It does require a bit of work out of box to tune it but it is WELL worth the trouble. If you want something that works out of box but it very limited, get BGA and realize that if something goes bad, you will have to replace the entire computer. Case in point, I used to have a Asus G1s and when the GPU went bad after only a year and a half, I had an expensive paperweight.

 

I really don't mind tweaking and get my hand dirty for the best result.. I build a lot of desktop.. not so many laptop.. as far as this lottery is it true? and what should I expect by buying this? What I will look for after?
Thanks

 

Go with a reseller that is well regarded and if you really want to extend the life of your DTR, go with one that is a PremaMod Partner. With a good, reputable reseller, if you have any major issues (get an extended warranty), they WILL take care of you. As for Prema Bios, they will help you get the maximum amount of performance out of your beast, which means you can hold onto your computer longer.

 

I'm thinking to go direct with sagernotebook.. as far as PremaMod the NP9873-S doesn't show up on the "mode selection" tab. do they have a build?

 

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For having a desktop 6700k the sager should have dominated the Asus. It did indeed win, but not by much... Granted this is a gaming benchmark and I'm sure rendering will prove the Sager is the better option for performance. However I for one don't want to listen to fans running full tilt for a negligible performance increase. To each their own but if you want less headaches the Asus is the way to go IMO....

 

The voltage is too high for your cpu. That is why your temps are so high.

Edit: Just in case your thinking i'm hating on BGA.
Given to me by Ibuypower.com!! - Asus G752VS | 6820HK | 32GB | 2400Mhz | 17.3 G-Sync 75Hz | 1070N | 256 Toshiba NVMe | 1 TB HD | DVDRW | AC Wifi

 

Are you referring to the Asus or Sager?

 

Asus

Edit. I watched your video and you were trying to lower the temps. Well the default set by Asus for a 6820HK is way to high from the factory.

And the 6700K really does not matter in Timespy test of gpus since it has no real barring.
Example: This is at 3300 Mhz

Spoiler

At 4.2 Ghz the CPU goes up to about 5K, but the GPU score is exactly the same.
This also applies to the 6820HK.

This is what is marketed to the public since most games only need 1 maybe two cores to operate while the GPU's do all the work...... Just an opinion.

 

If you want a beast laptop like the DM3 just order from a prema partner. I would personally recommend HIDEvolution. The system will come tweaked and running great out of the box.

 

I'm betting I'm old enough to be your daddy and maybe even your grandpa. I'll have nothing to do with any ASUS notebook... ever... Pure garbage and I'd rather jump through a couple of hoops than tolerate mediocrity. But, we can cast all BGA filth into that category. Won't touch any of them with a 10-foot pole. I got no room in my life for soldered feces trashbooks. But, FYI... nothing wrong with my fans.

Edit: Looked at that video and my CPU runs cooler clocked 1GHz higher and my GPUs run cooler with +200 core and +500 memory. That guy should take it back before the solder melts.

 

I'd say if you don't want headaches, the GT73 is a far far better machine. Here is a comparison run by my system at 4ghz CPU, stock GPU: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/16300733

My max CPU temp during the test+demo as 68 celsius
My max GPU temp was 74 celsius.

On top of it, due to lower temps, my CPU and GPU ran at their max clocks, so it scored higher/no throttling.

And fans are pretty good, nowhere near their max speed (which does sound like a jet taking off, but then again using that gets even cooler temps, if that's your thing).

I would recommend undervolting. I can do -30mv at 4ghz but each CPU is different. If we all had a dekstop variation of a 6700K, it would be great. We could tweak that to lower temps if needed, or higher performance quite easier than with a 6820hk. I haven't gotten a stable 4.2ghz speed yet... a bit surprising considering 4ghz was so easy to achieve (i expected a bit more difficulty here).

 

Please create a post in the Overclockers lounge with a screen shot of your settings maybe we can help with that 4.2 GHz overclock

 

Hmmm... Depends on which Sager/Clevo you are comparing with. There's only two beast laptops I will consider owning right now and I compare everything against this one. (The other one is a Tornado F5.) So, how do you define domination? Time Spy 6294? I ran my CPU 900MHz higher than with the fans ramped up. GPUs run stock didn't get as hot as the ASUS (master GPU 73°C and slave 71°C). Might not be a fair comparison, apple to oranges, but sometimes life is not fair... and yeah... that's domination.

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/16303940

 

Well you can't compare a laptop with 2 GPUs to one.. You do win on the CPU front but actually if the GPU scores scale properly, you dual GPU Setup scored around 6400 per GPU which is less then the BGA machine.. That bit is not that impressive lol..

I'm not a dual GPU person and 99.9% of population isn't so your point is lost on me and yes, we can go into the merits of dual GPUs and its another endless argument.. For me its a case of diminishing returns so I'll be a single GPU person for quite a while

A farier comparison would be to run that with one GPU and lets see the results then.. I know for a fact that SLI doesn't scale properly so my conclusion above may be inaccurate...can't remember the last Timespy result of a single gtx 1080 in a Clevo..

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SLI doesn't scale as well as I wished it would especially with the Dual 1080 GTX, like I get around 25% higher scores than those with a single GPU. disappointing to be honest, but hey, if I can do anything to increase my score, I would, even if it's just 25% and doesn't scale that well. Every 3DMark matters

 

It seems people think gaming, web search and social media is the only You can do on laptops nowadays. And you will need desktop for more demanding computer workload

 

25% higher for $1000 more? No thanks lol

Can you do a TimeSpy benchmark with 1 1080? Will give an idea about a single 1080 performance in the P870DM3..

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4.6 GHz CPU Overclock / GPU = +100MHz Core / 300MHz Memory

Single 1080 GTX Time Spy



Dual 1080 GTX Time Spy

 

Ok so in line with Johnksss..

So I had a look at the OPs video, clearly, there is room for better performance but temps are holding it back.. On the CPU side especially..I don't see how the GPU score shouldn't be hitting 7000 at least.. Needs some tweaking of voltages and good thermal paste...

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14808 vs. 7546 isn't 25% increase in graphics score with Sli @TomJGX . You know very well that newer Futuremark benchmark tests don't do much for processors.

 

Yes I do know its not 25%.. That was Phoneix's comment..Whichever way, always been a single GPU person and games just work fine on one GPU with minimal hassle..

Also Phoenix you've blown Mr.Fox's score out of the water.. Good Job!

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Don't worry, Mr. Fox will smoke me soon, but this is just a mild overclock on the GPU part, I can push it more later

 

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Ok...There seems to be some confusion yet again....


6723 gpu score is over clocked while his stock gpu score is 5881 (And that is suspect because he dropped the core. So maybe around 6300 to 6600). That is a long way from stock of 7100+ in the P870DM2/3. And it's even further away from 8k gpu score. Sorry but that Asus should be around the same exact place when it comes to gpu score. There are no excuses. I did prove it with a BGA 1070N where everyone thought that it would not come close to a socketed 1070N.

And SLI is sitting at 15.5K with a P870DM2/3 and an MSI with 6920QH 15.4k GPU scores.

So again...CPU means nothing when benching Timespy. It's the best man wins here depending on your GPU lottery and over clocking know how. And what Stock actually is.

Edit: 6820HK/Single 1080N
This guy is with over clocked cpu but stock GPU's
http://www.3dmark.com/spy/668232

 

Take a look at the pic. When I ONLY overclock the CPU on the Asus the GPU score is almost identical to the Sager. (BOTH GPU's are running at stock clocks in these two tests).

 

cant see images uploaded on the forum, upload them on imgur or postimage as the forums imaging system is still broken

 

http://imgur.com/a/K0a9y

 

Sorry bro, but your 3dmark searching skill may be a little rusty....
Set that to 1 gpu

http://www.3dmark.com/search#/?mode...y/P/2037/1104/500000?minScore=0&cpuName=Intel Core i7-6820HK&gpuName=NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 (Notebook)

 

I'm not following you. All I'm showing is MY results on both machines.

 

And what I'm showing you is your results are flawed. That is not what stock is suppose to be nor even with a cpu over clock. You were fighting a losing battle because you never knew what stock was suppose to look like.

Not pointing fingers at you! Just saying, this is the problem we all face when getting a new laptop from anywhere! No one know anything till we put it though the paces.

So with this new information in mind, now is the time to find out what your Asus is suppose to do at stock. Then you can make a better call on it's real performance.

Edit:....Unless of course....that is true stock...

 

If you're trying to convey the GTX1080 can attain higher scores I completely agree. However I do NOT want to listen to the ridiculous fans to attain those types of scores. It is a bad trade off IMO....

You're trying to tell me I got a machine that under performed stock, I get it. But I'm not into playing the silicone lottery, it's not fun.

Folks, my entire point of this is to say I don't care if I have the fastest laptop out there. I want a solid machine that plays games well and I don't have to listen to jet engines. I have found that with the Asus I can have my pie and eat it too. There will always be someone with better scores, more power to them...

 

Sorry, but my fans do not spin like twin jet engines. And when running single gpu they sure don't come close. How ever I totally understand about the noise.

No, i'm trying to inform you to take a closer look at your machine is all. In your spare time.

I'm also not knocking your choice of laptop. Never have....Just saying....You may need to take a closer look because you could be missing out on that extra performance in it because of miss information.

 

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-ROG-G800VI-Notebook-Preview.171564.0.html

According to this review it is right where it is supposed to be...

 

Yeah, i'm not here to change your mind i'm afraid Only to show what is possible. So if you feel the review is correct. I'm good with that.

I'll just leave this here though...

Spoiler

 

Im lost, you are showing a score of 5393 and I got a 6411. What am I missing?

 

Here is a new one I just ran with closing all my open applications
http://imgur.com/a/K7v4w

 

Ah, see what is going on. You think we are talking about the over all score. No @cmykpro we are only talking about gpu score. That way it keeps everyone on the same playing field. And when gaming, the gpu is more important than the cpu. So we omit the overall score and cpu score from gauging performance.

Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I knew you were suppose to be in the 7k range!

Thank you.

+5

Edit:
-5 for over clocking gpu's and only getting 7k...
http://www.3dmark.com/spy/785981

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/785981/spy/785849/spy/785947


Edit: If you decide you want help hit us up later.

 

So, you have to overclock the 6820HK to match a stock 6700K? How much headroom is left, or is that near the max CPU OC threshold?

Posting the links to the actual benchmark score would be more useful than screen shots. Screen shots of a list of submissions doesn't give us anything meaningful to look at.

FYI - if you are not using the freeware version of the Futuremark benchmarks you can edit the description and put in information that everyone can read when they pull up the link.

That's weird that the search results are sorted in random order instead of descending order from highest to lowest. I've never seen it random like that before.

 

No, those are his "Latest Results". That one got past me as well.

And I did a bench with 2 cores active to show the cpu does not matter. And one at 3300 Mhz.

I think Timespy would be a good one to use across the board once it becomes free. LOL

 

Making the CPU "not matter" is very useful for isolating GPU performance for tests. It's also good for systems with really weak CPUs. That way the overall score looks impressive even though the overall system itself may not be. They did that for the BGA gamerboys with Fire Strike as well, but it seems Time Spy is even more CPU agnostic. Sky Diver is probably the best in the 3DMark (2013) test suite because it seems CPU performance helps (or hurts) the overall score in a way that is more meaningful, like 3DMark 11 and Vantage.

 

It was explained as to why the different changes over the years and why they use a variety of benchmarks to test a system in stead of a 1 size fits all approach.
Trust me...Quite a few of us were all arguing over what should and shouldn't be long ago....

 

I agree with the argument, and using a variety of tools makes good sense, too.

But, I also know it makes it easier to sell pathetic trash when it has fluffy benchmark scores with a popular tool that minimizes overall system shortcomings. Not many people are going to drink the BGA Kool-Aid if all of the "professional" reviews have scores that totally suck compared to their non-BGA superiors. They had to do something to make the filth palatable. " Look! See, my BGA laptop has scores as good or better than my desktop" LOL... yeah, but at what?

 

BRO! First of all, wow! You destroyed my Titan X score while pwning everyone else's. Damn I wish I had my monster. Awesome job!!!

 

That's not the benchmarks fault. That is the reviewer or company using it to sell something. That is different. And if if fluffing up scores sales a million shares then guess what. I will be fluffy the fluff mister master of fluffing! Sorry but at that point my kids have to eat.
And BGA ain't going no where no time soon.That is a fact. And their reasons behind it are also held in stone. Does one have to like it? Nope. Not at all, but thinking it's leaving any time soon. Not going to happen. What they may do though is make the BGA's in to plug and play module, but then that.....Is speculation.

 

It doesn't need to go away... it just needs to stay out of my way. It was fine for years because it never affected everyone, especially guys like us. So, we will keep spreading the word, planting seeds of hatred for it and turn as many hearts and minds against it as possible. Once the hate spreads far enough maybe eventually Intel and the people peddling their soldered filth will end up losing so many millions of dollars trying to sell the worthless filth rotting on warehouse shelves that nobody with a smidgen of intelligence wants they will break out the hammer and chisel and rewrite what they thought might be cute to carve into stone. I want them to suffer serious financial harm for their stupidity. We're taking a spark, fanning it into an ember, and hopefully eventually a full blown violent and out of control inferno of BGA hate that spreads into every corner of the globe. Almost like the "Trump can never win" mantra that the media was spinning and chirping about all the way up to election day... well, guess what. They should know to never say never. So, with some similar hope for making laptops great again we can build up enough hatred for BGA, influence the still mold-able minds that are not carved in stone, so that literally anything is possible. Intel can pull a Micro$loth all they want to (telling us we can have whatever we want as long as it is Windoze OS X) but if they start hemorrhaging money they will change. I'm hoping enough people listen to cause them to have massive financial hemorrhaging... that's the goal anyway. They owe the world an apology as well, for selling so much disposable silicon garbage, but I'm willing to let them save face and get away with a quiet and nonchalant, but decisive, return to offering a good option (socket) and a bad option (BGA) for those that prefer the bad option... instead of just one bad option (BGA) for notebooks.

 

Next level will be 6 cores "high end" 45W BGA chips. It will be exciting times ahead bro Fox. More Trash will be pushed out!!
Think I'll keep my Avatar forever @Phoenix @Mr. Fox @Ashtrix

 

Yup, you're probably right Brother @Papusan, but having two additional weak garbage low-TDP cores on the chips that were too defective to qualify to be deployed as LGA still won't be good enough. 6 x 0 = 0, same as 4 x 0 = 0. But, hey, the kids will think it's awesome only because it does not suck as bad as what they already have.

 

Again. Not going to happen, but I'm not against your campaign. Carry on with the good fight.