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    Sager build quality

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by roland_j, Jul 16, 2008.

  1. roland_j

    roland_j Notebook Consultant

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    I'm interested in buying a Sager, however Ive known two people with Sagers, and both of their laptops seemed to be of very low quality. For one, his laptop stopped working after 2 years and he eventually had to toss it because it was unusuable. For the other, his keyboard was malfunctioning and the general biuld quality of his laptop seemed to be very low.

    So I'm wondering what you think of the build quality of Sager laptops?
     
  2. Atheist.

    Atheist. Notebook Consultant

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    Generally speaking Sager has a very good reputation for build quality. Two years? Shouldn't that have still been under warranty?

    Don't let their misfortunates turn you off from a great product.
     
  3. Gophn

    Gophn NBR Resident Assistant

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    a couple of clarifications...

    1) Clevo has been around since 1983. Their main fame is their high-end notebooks ever since the first ATI 9600/9700 systems.

    2) Gaming notebooks were VERY new and people did not (and some still dont) know how take care of their systems... with regular cleaning/dusting and using on recommended surfaces. Then the systems get overheated and gets permanently damaged. Then you hear the complaints.... geez.

    * granted that there were a few faulty motherboards (with the initial D900T release), but after that it was all good.

    3) The current Clevo systems are top-notch, read the numerous reviews in the Clevo Guide.
     
  4. lemur

    lemur Emperor of Lemurs

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    I've owned one Sager NP2090 for about one year. My wife has owned one Sager NP2092 for only a few months. Both are built by Compal and sold by Sager. Note that Sager also sells computers built by Clevo.

    I've owned three Dells (or was it four?) before this laptop. Only the first one comes anywhere close to be as good as my Sager in terms of build quality. I've seen Dell's quality go down with time. Cases would crack, parts came off. We are talking about run-of-the-mill laptops with really minimal GPUs. Both the NP2090 and 2092 have much more powerful GPUs than any of the laptops I've owned before so they have to handle more challenging thermal loads. And yet, they perform better than the Dells I've owned.

    So I'm quite satisfied with the build quality. Maybe in two years I'll change my tune but right now I could hardly be happier. And I don't handle my laptops gingerly. They get carried a lot.

    Atheist, it is possible to buy Sagers with only one year warranty. That's what I did.
     
  5. Atheist.

    Atheist. Notebook Consultant

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    I suppose it is possible, but i'm generally an advocate of a 2-3 year warranty plan unless you know how to take care of a laptop as Gophn mentioned.
     
  6. lemur

    lemur Emperor of Lemurs

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    Atheist, I'm not advocating that most people do what I did. I had my reasons. Just saying what is possible.
     
  7. Matthewrs_Rahl

    Matthewrs_Rahl Notebook Consultant

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    Lol, the OP just wants to know quality. Warranties are secondary, no need to go into warranty opinnions here.
    I haven't tried Sager (I'm getting them this month for the first time) and have only tried Dells. Dells quality, I agree, has diminished, but I still like them. I believe you will find a mostly positive response from the users here on NBR, in regards to Sager laptops. As well as a respect for xoticpc and powernotebooks in regards to the quality/price they offer. You could simply buy directly from sager, however. Also, if you have a lot of $ to weild and are looking for good quality, try falconnorthwest (they do extensive testing/burn-ins before shipping you the product). It's not just the computers build you should be concerned about, but the retailer you decide upon (in my opinnion). They will all generally offer similar warranties. How well they respect their customers, is a different story altogether (the 3 above are known to be good with covering issues in warranty covering scenarios).
    Hope that helps you out!
     
  8. DROT

    DROT Notebook Guru

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    Falcon Northwest's laptops I'm pretty sure are Clevo D900 versions with paint jobs. Maybe they do more wiring adjustments or something but they just blow up the price with those paint jobs.
     
  9. Matthewrs_Rahl

    Matthewrs_Rahl Notebook Consultant

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    Yea, Clevo D900c/D901c is what they offer (also known as the SAGER 9262 elsewhere, it is the same machine, ultimately).
    They "claim" to do lots of extensive stuff and I do recall reading something about the wires, but I can't imagine what "wiring" stuff they can do, beyond shortening them to increase air-flow (not a bad thing at all).
    Yeah, their prices are jacked way-up for painting. Their parts are also a bit outdated, given their high price (still good parts, however).
     
  10. someguyoverthere

    someguyoverthere Notebook Evangelist

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    So if I were to get an NP8660, it would survive being moved and carried around pretty much every day? What worries me is that it's bigger and heavier than a normal 15.4"...and the heavier it is the more wear it has to endure.

    Sorry if this is an obvious question, this will be by first Sager...
     
  11. Gophn

    Gophn NBR Resident Assistant

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    as long as you have a good notebook bag or backpack, it should be fine bringing it everywhere.

    just don't drop it.
     
  12. roland_j

    roland_j Notebook Consultant

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    Well thats interesting to hear, but my friends, also the paint started to come off, especially on the palm rest. Ive seen this on Toshibas too, and it probably happens to others.. but my Sony has no problems with that
     
  13. Gophn

    Gophn NBR Resident Assistant

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    1) If you type correctly, your palms should not even touch or wear out that area. I play games and my palm never touches the casing. So my notebook is still mint.

    2) you can get a palm gel pad (if you know you are going to rest your palm) if you want to make sure to not wear out your casing.
     
  14. lemur

    lemur Emperor of Lemurs

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    All my Dells wore out in that location. I have not noticed a problem with my Sager but I've only had it for one year.
     
  15. Gophn

    Gophn NBR Resident Assistant

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    I have had mine for almost 2.5 years now... not even a grease/palm stains.

    Trust me, if you type and play games ergonomically and correctly, those areas should remain in mint condition.
     
  16. Cossack7V7

    Cossack7V7 Notebook Evangelist

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    Sony notebooks may be overpriced, but you get the quality that you pay for! ;)
     
  17. MKang25

    MKang25 NBR Prisoner

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    Sony and quality i chuckled inside.
     
  18. Gophn

    Gophn NBR Resident Assistant

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    I agree. The Sony notebooks that I have worked with and dismantled were not very high in build quality... just average.
     
  19. ryujin

    ryujin 2B or not 2B

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    there is a good amount of positive for the clevo lineup. and that goes a long way in terms of faith when making a purchase.
    but you have to come to reality a little.
    every item ever made, built, adjusted, added, etc....has had lemons within the process.
    not saying you will get one, but just note that in this day and age, nothing is prefect 100% of the time.

    ie - shyte happens.... :)
     
  20. Prasad

    Prasad NBR Reviewer 1337 NBR Reviewer

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    My Sager (in my experience) has excellent build quality! I am very satisfied. :) Sagers also have the advantage of the best of the best customer support through it's resellers like XoticPC, PNB. :D
     
  21. Gophn

    Gophn NBR Resident Assistant

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    From: Ergonomics: Cumulative Trauma Disorders

    While typing, it is best not to rest your wrists, and they should not be bent up, down, or to the side. This may be easier if the back edge of the keyboard is tilted down slightly, away from you. The knuckle, wrist, and top of forearm should form a straight line. Wrist supports or rests give you a place to rest your hands only when pausing from typing, not while you are typing (or gaming).

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    From: Safe Office Practice - Hands & Wrists

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    (forearm as wrists should be aligned... meaning your palms should NOT be bent downward to rest anywhere)

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    Placing your keyboard at an angle to the edge of the desk encourages a bad posture. Either the wrists are bent sideways (ulnar deviation) or the spine is twisted. Rearrange your equipment so you can sit head-on to your keyboard and monitor.

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  22. roweathers

    roweathers Notebook Consultant

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    Sony HD pooped out on me... saying it nicely! and the when I went back for support to restore the OS, etc. Did I get any help... not even the time of day from the rats. Going to be a long time before I drop a dime on anything Sony.