Sager desktop cpu laptop reliability?

Hey im looking for new laptop and just learned about sager desktop performance laptops. Can preorder with new coffeelake 8700k not sure if good idea? Would love to have desktop performance on laptop and dont mind so much the extra weight and low battery life, but worried little about possible thermal issues and if im investing so much i want it to last. Thoughts? Are these reliable..?

Btw this is not for gaming/graphics so gpu will not be pushed, only cpu

 

We don't know yet. Just wait until the benchmarks.

 

All Intel CPUs are suffering from high temps due to the ****ty TIM they use between the chip and the IHS. Delidding and repasting them helps a great deal. Combine that with an undervolt and a few other heat sink mods and it should stay cool enough.

Delidding isn't too big of an issue, as long as you are careful there is little to go wrong. But it depends weather you are willing to do that or not. If you wait a bit longer some of the system builders will sell you a system which has already been delidded and repasted.

 

Even after delidding the temps are really bad on notebooks, I've only seen 1 guy (stress tech or so) here on the forums who managed to get accetpable temps on a LGA notebook the rest was just having bad temps. Ryzen does a WAY better job at this, which is weird considering that AMD usually was the furnace CPU.

 

I agree. Would be nice to see some Ryzen based notebooks in the near future.

 

would also be helpful to know how previous generation desktop cpu laptops such as 7700k held up. Were they long lasting and reliable?

not so keen on taking risk of delidding. Also dont think i plan on overclocking this laptop to save lifespan.It is such a shame greedy intel hasnt got there act together after so many people complained from previous crap tim cpus.
Thnks guys

 

I know its silly. Its been crap since Sandy Bridge and they have done nothing to address it. Cost is clearly not an issue if AMD can solder their IHS' yet still sell their CPUs for a lower price.

Might be worth asking @Mr. Fox about how his 7700k is doing.

 

7700K stock is rather bad and way to hot. After delidding you fix your temps somewhat and apply slight overclock, temps are still bad tho. CPU's generally last long so they won't die on you that fast. If you want a cool notebook, then get an MSI notebook, they tend to undervolt and make sure it runs cool, but they give you less performance in return.

@Arrrrbol

There is an Asus notebook (Asus Rog Strixx GL 702ZC) which has desktop Ryzen, it runs very cool on stresstest. (high 80s C or something) and witcher 3 novigrad it stays at an impressive mid 70s degree, considering how flat the notebook is the temps are downright scary.

Spoiler

Mr.fox did this to his notebook:

Still not able to achieve a stable 4.7ghz in gaming which requires a bit more CPU power:

He overclocked the CPU to 4.7ghz but it would downclock itself to 4.2ghz and still maintain really high temps (85-90c). The reason this is happening is NOT thermal throttling, mr.fox simply undervolted and unveramped the CPU to much that if it needs to work more it would downclock itself because it needs more power.

He made a new video with witcher 3, sadly only tutorial where you see the temps rising higher and higher in the tutorial where it doesn't take much performance (only around 20-30% CPU usage). I supsect another 85-90c 4.2ghz throttling in novigrad when playing the game. Maybe mr.fox will update on that later. In the end, only the stress guy made a video about how he got good temps, he claimed it runs at 4.2ghz stable but he didn't show the clocks ingame yet, so I'll won't say that it's fixable until I see stable clockspeed and low temps yet.

In the end, If you take a BGA CPU or LGA CPU in terms of gaming and normal usage like browsing, watching videos etc. it won't make any difference at all.

 

Damn that is pretty impressive, especially considering how thin that is. Just a shame it has a BGA GPU.

 

Thanks for all that danishblunt. If 7700k had such high temps 85-90 even stock and modded i dont have such high hopes for 8700k. Coffee lake will probably run even hotter than 7700k. As i dont want to delid or mod my laptop and like a good number of years lifespan thinking now maybe best i just get something like a 7700hq msi. Thanks

 

The 85-90 was on a highly modded and undervolted notebook. On stock you're easily looking at 90s in gaming and 99c on stresstest.

If you don't mind the bulkyness, a MSI dominator might be your choice. In gaming I have around mid 60s on my 6700HQ (only put new tim, no mods or anything) (7700hq should be pretty much the same) and my graphicscard is also derping around the same. According to notebookcheck the GTX 1070 runs at 72c on stresstest furmark, so in gaming you can again expect around high 60s on max when opting for a 1070 based MSI, my GTX 1060 is derping around 50s on load in gaming, but I got solid tim on it. These temps are WITHOUT turning the cooling feature on, meaning the notebook reaches around 60-70c in total on a relatively quiet system, the noise the notebook makes is very good considering the hardware. My clevo which specs a stronger CPU and soon same GPU, is much hotter and way louder considering I even modded the heatsink, got liquid metal etc. it's downright a dissapointment.

Also yeah considering the new Clevo is the same Case, I don't really have high hopes for the 8700K being cool either, but you never know. Honestly most cooling solutions clevo made are terrible, not on Alienware 2015+ level terrible yet, but way below MSI's cooling solutions in their dominator series and Titan series. Until I don't see benchmarks and stuff, I won't say it's impossible tho, I'm honestly hoping for something neat, especially when looking at how good MSI managed to keep the 8700 (non k) version so cool in their MSI vortex G25, so maybe we are lucky and clevo finally managed to understand how important heatpipes, airflow, proper connection between die's and heatsink etc. are.

Yeah, If it wasn't for the GPU being BGA I'd already have bought it. I don't mind a BGA CPU since honestly upgrading CPU since ivy bridge really isn't needed, but GPU should be upgradable. Maybe we will finally see an MSI or Clevo system with ryzen and MXM, that would be an instant buy from me.

 

Sadly, it's not an unlocked Ryzen CPU and it's questionable that it will ever achieve full stock performance unless ASUS does something different than anything they have ever done in the past to correct their crippled laptop standard operating procedure.

That guy really has no idea know what he is talking about and any "advice" given should be taken with a grain of salt. Every time he posts that kind of nonsense it exposes his lack of understanding. He has no idea how a properly tuned P870DM3 runs (mine technically now belongs to @Dr. AMK since he bought it and it is enroute to him now) and making assumptions about an anomaly that he sees in a YouTube video, for only a small point in time, where the CPU momentarily downclocks because it doesn't have enough load from the game to need full turbo truly highlights that lack of understanding and experience. The behavior he assumes to be a problem is totally normal and the 7700K runs full tilt for as long as it needs to in the P870DM3. (This is not the case for the MSI 16L13 because MSI created artificial limitations to performance, as do most notebook manufacturers.) With proper tuning and @Prema BIOS the P870DM3 lacks nothing in terms of CPU power or potential within the confines of a notebook's air cooling capacity.

All one has to do is compare the benchmarks posted by me and several others on HWBOT.org and Overclock.net to the desktops with the same CPU that are incapable of achieving equal or better results on air cooling or consumer-grade liquid cooled desktops with 7700K. There are no Core i7 BGA turdbook alternatives that can go as high and as far as 7700K, unless you get a really horribly binned and far below average sample of a 7700K to compete against a very rare and exceptionally well binned sample of a 7820HK.

 

That isn't just a Clevo problem tbh. Almost every laptop i've come across can get lower temps by adding a copper shim to the heat sink or by adding longer screws etc. I imagine they are just being overly cautious about cracking the die especially on GPUs.

HP and Apple in my experience are by far the worst for cooling design. HP seem to either cheap out on heat pipes or ventilation, and Apple just make their heat sinks retardedly thin so they have almost no capacity to soak up heat.

In that chassis its probably a good job its not unlocked. I'd much rather manufacturers made some nice thick chassis again with beefy heat sinks and fans. The P870 and GT83 etc are exceptions, everyone else is trying to make their laptops thinner. Would be nice to see a Ryzen in a similar chassis to the P870. The Ryzen 7 and 7700k have almost the same TDP so i can't see why it wouldn't be able to cool it.

 

Jep and this is annoying to be honest. Still, MSI notebooks (like the dominator) have very impressive temps compared to the others. Even the tornado has way better temps than the clevo counterpats, which is also an MSI based system with a desktop CPU. If manufaturers would stop half assing their cooling solutions better hardware would be no problem at all. It's a shame really.

 

not sure has to do with clevo understanding and implentation of cooling which looking at some of their under hood works looks quite good. I think might be more a matter of physics and just not possible to properly cool such high heat cpus in such small form factor of a laptop. Thought before might be good idea but after reading of some of these insane temps perhaos for now better desktop cpus stay in the desktop

 

That's actually not accurate. The vast majority of laptops with mobile CPUs run as hot or hotter than a Clevo P870 with 6700K or 7700K. There is no excuse for them to, other than shoddy engineering and poor quality control. No matter what you buy today, the temps are going to be pretty sucky unless you take it apart and do things over yourself the right way. Just the sad world we live in, but horrible thermal management from the factory is status quo for the industry. Some of them cannot be fixed because they are too thin and lightweight to ever be capable of running cool.

 

My Razer and my brothers Sager with an HQ CPU in it both run/ran hotter than my 16L13 does and my brother uses my old U3 cooling pad with his laptop where as I turn my fans on max...just saying. They may run warmer than one would like or prefer, but it is definitly 100% possibly to get them running at more than acceptable temps, and usually lower than most other notebooks with a little TLC to the machine. I don't know about Sager but I love my 16L13, if anything the GPU is the issue not the CPU.

 

Yeah, 16L13 is a little champ. The only good Clevo/Sager is the P870. Everything else, especially the P7, overheats like crazy and it difficult to correct due to poorly engineered cooling system. I would never recommend any new Clevo to anyone except for the P870. It is the best laptop money can buy overall. It literally kills everything else in terms of performance and cooling... but not the way it rolls off the assembly line... it requires some elbow grease to make it the best that it can be, much like 99% of everything else being sold.

 

Let's see...

Momentarily and doesn't have enough load translates to: half the game and 50-60%.

Spoiler

Your own video, interesting definition of momentarily and no load.

Runs 4.2ghz @ 85-90c meanwhile desktop runs stable 5ghz @ less temps:


I'm sure you have no convinced people. Your words are way more believeable than your own videos and actual numbers displayed on your own videos and other LGA notebook users.

 

Thats interesting and completely contradicting to what others have said on this thread. Now im confused can anyone else confirm this statement that most consumer laptops run as hot or hotter than 7700k laptop?

 

Why post wrong info in every post and threads you are into? I and also other have already showed you how cool a delidded core i7 is able to run in Clevo P870. And you Still posting wrong info. You have already lost your credibility long time ago, my good friend. Next time, I will throw out all post who already have come out from your mouth. And this isn’t nice reading!! Why make a fool of yourself? I don’t get it!!

 

Well yes, he does like to contradict himself as seen on my previous post.

Most 7700HQ notebooks are way thinner and have way worse cooling, which means that they can get really hot as well. For instance the razer blade reaches very high temps on a a 7700hq, which would be considered hotter than a 7700K based notebook, but when comparing a LGAbook to lets say an MSI dominator GT72vr, the 7700hq is around late low 70's c on stresstest while the clevo runs at 99c.

MSI 6700HQ MSI GT 72 Dominator Stresstest CPU max temp:79c:

Spoiler

Clevo P751DM 6700K Stresstest CPU max temp:99c:

Spoiler

Note, that the 6700K is the superior CPU and you can unvervolt, delid and mod the cooling so that it gets to acceptable/god temps, but in doing that you spent extra money for an LGA socket based system which you could have in BGA version with better and quieter cooling.

Here is an extra of the razer blade pro, which is around 88c on stresstest.

Spoiler

There are ntoebooks like the regular razer blade, macbook pro and XPS 15 9550 which have disastrous cooling and cause rather massive thermal throttling, so it reallly depends on the notebook itself as well as the hardware.

In the end you shouldn't take my, mr.fox or anyones word, just read what we write and do some research yourself to see what is reality, there are plenty sites out there showcasing benchmarks, stresstests, temps and reviews on youtube also showing the same information.

 

If you poke around in all the gaming notebook threads (even some of the mainstream consumer notebook threads, like XPS for example,) one of the main topics now is crazy temps, thermal throttling, undervolting, repasting. The entire industry is a terrible mess. It's not any one brand that has this issue, and the smaller and thinner they are the worse the problem is. The nice thing about the P870 is that, while it is not great from the factory, it has a healthy cooling system that can be whipped into shape fairly easily. Most of the other options do not have good cooling systems and there's only so much you can do when the fans and heat sinks are too wimpy and the chassis is too thin to ever do a good job.

When I say that the P870 and 16L13 are the only laptops worth owning I am serious about it. In the context of my expectations this is 100% accurate in every respect. Even so, they are far from perfect. Being the best laptop doesn't necessarily mean good. They have the greatest potential to be awesome, and part of that is they are not disposable soldered junk. Anyone that tells you a 7820HK or any other BGA CPU is the equivalent of a 7700K in terms of performance potential really doesn't have a clue what they are talking about and they are misleading others by presenting that kind of misinformation. Nothing offered in a BGA model is capable of meeting my expectations and it is physically impossible to use one of them in the manner I want to use it. They are incapable of doing it.

But, I will admit that if all a person is going to play games at stock clocks a crippled BGA turd CPU is more than adequate, if merely achieving adequate is the goal. It takes a pretty gullible person to believe that a BGA turd CPU running 4.0GHz at 80-90°C playing games versus a 7700K that runs 4.7GHz at generally equal or lower temps than that and runs every benchmark stable at 5.2GHz are functional equivalents.

Not being content with status quo is why I have finally decided to move back to desktops. I had 3 in my signature. Now there is one. There is one left because that one is a special project, a gift from a good friend, and the mod planned is a favor to people I want to help with a GPU upgrade. Also, because having a laptop is a nice thing to have. But, I am not giving any more money to any notebook manufacturer because all any of them ship is broken stuff that needs to be fixed before I can use it the way I want to use it, or not capable of being used in the manner I want to use it. Fixing things and making something pretty good into something great can be fun for a while, but over time it becomes pretty annoying because you're paying top dollar for something that requires your immediate attention because it was sold with defects.

 

I really don't understand your point

More powerful CPUs make more heat while doing more work

The tradeoffs in design to feed the cpu with the power, and handle the heat, are up to the individual buyer to weigh against the added cpu performance. The old cost/benefit analysis. If you don't see a valuable Benefit to you... all you will see is Costs.

Individual units from any manufacturer can fail in a QC sense from as little as a single badly torqued screw. Some Clevo resellers might not care as much as others when assembling, or testing, or you may experience a difference in customer service because they're not global scale corporate operators with more experience in returns and warranty but are more often small/medium businesses.

Advertising and branding also generates a sizeable fanboy army of viral marketers out there saying how "brand X is the best" and then confirmation bias flavours everything they say (*cough*Razer*cough*)

IMO if you want your stuff to work with minimum involvement don't buy a performance unit from a cut price reseller who dgaf. They *WILL* need more maintenance over their life because more is demanded from it. If you want a car that will survive on 3 year old oil and swamp gas, you buy a Camry or 90s Hyundai... not a Ferrari

I buy most of my Clevos second hand and they are in an average operating state. A "service", dedust, fixing heatsink and pad contact, Prema bios/vbios, and in the last year liquid metal, every Clevo I've owned can faaaaar outperform its rated specs and do so reliably. Would every single Clevo? I can't honestly say that.

 

If i dont go with a high end desktop cpu laptop than i think i wil probably go with a low end 7700hq laptop like msi gl72 which goes for around 800 bucks. Just dont see worth spending around anywhere near 2k if im not getting desktop performance. I want to use laptop not for gaming but heavy special tasking work that will often push cpu to its limits. Gpu is not important for me and will barely be pushed. Not looking to delid/overclock my laptop and not wanting to get thermals over 80c if possible because i want to get many years out if it. Since my graphics card wont be at all pushed could i get good thermals with desktop cpu laptop? If yes P870 that u guys recommending looks discontinued so perhaps coffee lake right choice?Or i could save and get a 7700hq baseline laptop
Thanks

 

Now, see... that's where people that don't have a clue what they are talking about mislead people that are looking for straight answers and simply don't know any better. Confusion is understandable because of the noise. People that think that way do not have all of the facts. You won't have HEDT CPU performance, but you will have equivalent Core i7 K-series unlocked consumer desktop CPU performance.

The truth will set you free, but you have to find the truth first. Otherwise, a person is doomed to believe the silly talking heads defending crippled BGA trashbooks.

http://www.overclock.net/f/21/benchmarking-software-and-discussion
https://www.3dmark.com/search
http://hwbot.org/

Proof: Check out the CPUs above and below the humble P870 with 7700K.

 

My point is being simple really. What is the point of an unlocked Desktop CPU if you can barely get proper performance out of it and need to to way to much modding on it until it runs properly?

Also my point is being that Clevo has inferior cooling compared to MSI for instance. I don't know if you had MSI notebooks (thicker ones) and compared those to same generation Clevos, once you did the same "service" on them, the temps are way better and the notebook is way less noisy. I noticed this over and over again, how the MSI notebooks and older AW notebooks were tempwise much better, even tho the older AW models were much louder.

We can both agree, that a repaste, reseat,lapping etc. will improve the cooling on all notebooks out there, but there are some notebooks like the clevos, where the temp to noise ratio is downright annoying.

@Scopus
Get the Asus Strixx GL702ZC, it has a RX580 and a desktop Ryzen 1700, it runs way cooler and is probably better suited for whatever you're planning on doing.

 

According to Notebookcheck that is not a very good suggestion... The laptop gets very hot and throttles when fully utilised.
Notebookcheck Asus Strixx GL702ZC Emissions

 

Exactly. @Danishblunt have no clue on computers (neither notebooks-desktops) or hardware. I don't know why he post only wrong info everywhere in the forum. Maybe he know it by himself?

 

alrighty then.

My guess is on stresstest due to non optimal power management the CPU goes down to 3.1ghz stable, much like mr.fox 7700k crysis 3 gameplay which goes down to 4.2ghz.

But hey, you can make up your story however you want, who cares about how the notebook clearly shows on stresstest temps that it literally cannot be a thermal throttle instead the lower clocks are caused by to low power management. Better go buy a thermal throttling 7700K right?

Spoiler

See those red numbers and how it says "Thermal throttle: Yes"?


As you can clearly see on the voltages on this stresstest, the power the CPU is getting is much lower than a desktop one, causing it to run at lower clocks on stresstest (note, it doesnt go under it's non turbo clock, meaning it doesn't even throttle but instead it doesn't boost to maximum potential).

Upp the voltage, maybe change of paste and you get full performance in a slim notebook with good temps compared to 99c 7700K furnacebook.

Really no issues here.

Honestly a 462mv undervolt and 3.1ghz on stresstest is impressive if anything.

 

Your thermal throttling picture is from a Schenker XMG U706 (P771DM), that was released in 2015 with a i7-6700K, not the i7-7700K. You may wish to change it for one showing a i7-7700K in a P870 to tie in with your comments.

 

Again, you're totally discounting the higher performance that the desktop CPUs maintain 24/7. Computers are not stress test space heaters they are tools and the WORK they do is relevant and an important consideration in analysis!

You do realise the gap at 1080p gaming is so great between the R7 1700 and the 7700K that an underclocked 7700K would still win in 90% of current games?

That AMDsus is GPU throttling to HALF SPEED and hiding its CPU temp across the shared heatpipe setup. It's terrible in games when the GPU is drawing its full 120W power! 3.2ghz is also its max 8-core turbo and FTLOG there is no 462mV undervolt that just highlights what you don't know about how power regulation works. Which is okay, noone can know everything, but don't pretend to know when you just don't.

Also don't be an anti-fanboy and lead someone astray by bagging an entire brand from one cherrypicked example just because your currently noisy CPU fan is triggering you as you type!

 

how about 100c then? And yes, this is a P870 with a 7700K, and yes, it's even worse than the P751 with 6700K.

@bennyg
I am considering the performance, that's why I pointed out that desktop CPU's are superior performancewise, but my argument is, that it's not worth paying so much more money for the little bit more performace you're getting considering the thermal limits you will get really fast, also the much louder fans compared to other notebooks as well. Most things you use your notebook for, such as gaming, won't even stress your CPU out in any way. And those applications which do, will run like a furnace on a desktop CPU notebook. Instead getting a 7700HQ which runs cooler but also has less performance is probably way better, especially when you only want to game and have a 2k+ screen, which makes the CPU even more irrelevant. I just think that the thermals on a desktop CPU in a notebook are just to bad to be considered acceptable. Sure you can somewhat fix the temps, but the amounf of effort and money you would have to invest in it, is just not worth it, if somebody really cares that much about performance then a desktop will do way better.

Also, I was under the impression that VID stands for some default value in which the CPU needs to run stock speeds, when looking at the VID at 1.550V and the actual voltage is 1.082, which is an undervolt of 462. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

Louder? My 16L13 is quieter than any other gaming laptop I have seen or used, even when running on max fans. Where are you pulling all of this misinformation from? Most laptops now have smaller fans that have to spin a lot faster to try and push as much air, and in turn are louder than the bigger slower fans used in the slightly bigger laptops with desktop CPUs, what are you even talking about?

 

In the same review for the Asus ROG Strix GL702ZC, there is a comparison directly with the P870 in system noise.
In all the tests other than 'Load Average' the Asus is louder.
Load Maximum for the Asus is 57dB, whilst for the P870 it is only 52dB.

Link to the review again: Asus ROG Stric GL702ZC

 

THIS!! Explains @Danishblunt 's minimal knowledge about hardware and computers!! @Mr. Fox

 

It's all depends how you tweak your laptop when it comes to performance and temps.
There is a lot of spoilt kids here that have to settle with a BGA laptop due to there budget size (no offence). This makes them sad, sometimes it makes them angry, and the odd times they feel that they have to knock down a desktop preforming laptop to make them feel better that they can have a BGA laptop...
Just read up bud! If you have an infinite budget, then follow what's in your heart.
I will like to leave a small prayer:

Oh Father God, my heart is filled from BGA fan boys, which is causing chaos and confusion. I feel as if I am drowning in my circumstances and my heart is filled with fear from NoteBookReview transgressors. I really need the performance, peace of fans, and advise that only You can give. Right now, I choose to rest in You. In Jesus name I pray, Amen.

And here is a small organ outro... a video of a P870KM1 (one version below the Coffee Lake laptop):
This Video (Full Fans on Clevo dash, 100% 3000RPM x3 Vardar FF5 fan mod cooler)
2560x1440
Nvidia Drivers: 387.92 Notebook
#1 1080 GPU: 52c max
#2 1080 GPU: 51c max
CPU 7700K 4.5Ghz: 60c max



*This video is rated mature*


Sorry about my Steam username, (unless you are a committed BGA lover). Please take a joke..

 

VID is the voltage the CPU is requesting at any moment, what is actually delivered to it by the motherboard can of course be different due to things like vdroop.

 

I put it here for tech newbies as @Danishblunt so he can learn a bit. Post wrong info everywhere ain’t nice. People who searching tech info in tech forums shouldn’t be fooled by wrong info!!

Exactly. Some don’t get it whatsoever you try to explain them. Run BGA Clocks in a Clevo chassis as P8xx, and the Cpu temp barely hit higher than idle in Stress test.

 

Just found out about hidevoution would happy to see they delid/undervolt cpus which might be interested in. Perhaps with 8600k or 7700k if can get good thermals. Hows the p775?

 

I would urge you to stay far away from the P775 for one reason only. It has a hideously bad cooling system. Can't really be fixed the way it is made. It gives the good options a bad rap because of that. Other than that, the P775 is a nice machine. The defective cooling system cancels out everything nice about it.

There are two good options for laptops with desktop CPUs. They are P870 and MSI 16L13 (aka HIDevolution 16L-G-1080 or Eurocom Tornado F5). You should pass on anything else or you will certainly regret it. @Rage Set (former owner) can speak to this and so can @Georgel (current owner).

 

Clevo has finally replaced the unwanted unified/shared cpu/gpu heatsink design in new released P77x series chassis (Coffee Lake). Yeah, will still have worse cooling vs. the top dog P870 series. Can’t change the laws of physics!! But we have to see how this will fare before this model can get a approved stamp. At least from me.

 

Comparing apples to oranges and somehow an inferior product becomes superior by cherry-picking nonsense...sounds like WH press briefings LOL

 

Thanks man good to know need to stay away from that. Yeh like u said looking at some benchmark now comparing that with p870 crazy difference in temps between the 2. Sadly p870 is out of my budget. Tornado f5 looks interesting. Kina bummed that it doesnt come in 17inch though as thats what was looking for. I see eurocom can get much cheaper since has option to downgrade gpu since i dont need, hidevoltion only gtx1080 option.. and dont think eurocom delids. Not sure will be good thermals without it..

Edit; looks like they do delid hmm this might be the one. If go with this need decide between 6700k n 7700k. Not sure How well this model handles?
Its only 100 dollars more for 7700k but wanna keep thermals low.

Also this not being major brand laptop little worried if something on it breaks in couple years will they have replacement parts and such..
thoughts?

 

The Tornado F5 is an excellent 15 inch machine. I did several mods to the one I sold @skyFox90 a little over a week ago. HIDevolution is doing most of those mods now. Eurocom is a great company and I consider the people there to be friends and very strong advocates for high performance notebook enthusiasts, just as HIDevolution is. I am on a first name/friend basis with the key players at both of these great companies and the world would not be as good without either of them. Just be aware of the model-specific mods the 16L13 needs to cool nicely, know that they will not be done by Eurocom and decide if you want to do those yourself or have them done by HIDevolution before you get it. The CMOS extension requires removal of the motherboard, so that can be a big one if you find that intimidating.

Also note that the EVOC machines come with @Prema BIOS, which is a HUGE benefit in spite of my partiality to Brother @Prema. I've had the pleasure and honor of working directly with him on testing firmware mods on several machines and I can tell you he pours his heart and soul into making the firmware the best it can be. Between the two of us, multiple hundreds of hours are invested in each product. Nothing gets slammed out in a rush and nothing gets released for PremaMod Partner Shops until it is worthy of PremaMod branding.

Check the photos in the opening post here for the mods (and which mods HIDevolution is doing): [SOLD] Mr. Fox's Crazy Wicked EUROCOM Tornado F5 / EVOC 16L-G-1080

Besides the 15 inch screen, the cooling requires more effort because the machine is smaller. Before making a final decision, reach out to @Donald@HIDevolution and @Eurocom Support to see what kind of custom builds they can do for the P870 with a single 1070 or 1080. If you already have your own drives and memory, they can do a build that suits your needs. You can get the vapor chamber with a single 1070 or 1080 and the temps will be crazy good since it is designed to cool two GPUs.

6700K and 7700K are very similar. Where the similarities fade and the 7700K shines is overclocking the CPU and memory. 7700K goes higher on both counts with greater stability and lower CPU voltage. Running something ordinary like 4.7GHz or less, and 3000 or less on memory speed, six of one versus a half-dozen of the other. I have had two three 6700K and three 7700K. Both need to be delidded to run cool, as did the 4790K. I actually saw no meaningful difference in temps between the two. So, take comments that one runs hotter than the other with the understanding that might have something to do with user error or drawing a short straw in the silicon lottery.

Most of my notebooks have been 18 or 17 inch screens. I had the Tornado F5 and the P750ZM with 15 inch screens and before I moved up to 17 and 18-inch monsterbooks an old 15-inch ibuypower-branded Compal HEL-80 gaming laptop back in the Core2 Duo and WindowsXP days. I definitely prefer the larger screens and heavier machines. The 15 inch is absolutely fine using it on your lap because it is close enough to your face to not matter. When you put it on a desk or table and sit in a chair, the 15 inch screen is not nearly as nice to use as 17 inch. If you plan to frequently connect it to a monitor (which defeats one of the benefits of having a laptop) and use it on your lap when away from the desk, then don't give it much thought... wasted calories thinking about that. The biggest advantage to a bigger machine is cooling will be better (due to more space for it) on the larger machine if it was designed with basic intelligence. In terms of cooling, nothing anywhere in a high end notebook is better than the P870 after delid and selecting the ideal thickness of thermal pads and a few other minor tweaks.

Hope this helps.

Here's this, too... in case you want to look at it... [SOLD] Mr. Fox's Amazing HIDevoluton EVOC P870DM3

 

Thanks so much for all the helpful.info bro clears much up and think since u say similar temps better go with 7700k with mods. will try get in contact with them see what i can do. Cheers

 

Yes, no reason to select 6700K if you have the ability to choose 7700K. Both are good, but the 7700K is the clear and undisputed winner if you want to achieve better overclocking of the CPU and memory. Since the release of 7700K I have replaced every 6700K with 7700K because it is better enough to warrant the cost. The talking heads that say otherwise don't know what they are talking about, or they are not doing the right testing to differentiate them. And, I'd venture a guess that the vast majority of them have never owned and tested both CPUs in the same machine... just blabbering sheeple regurgitating what they heard someone else say in a YouTube video or read in the video comments, or read somewhere in a forum post... or using that as an excuse because they do not want to spend more on the better CPU (or they are content and don't want/need more).

 

Yes very low noise at 3000rpm for gpu and 2500rpm for cpu, here is in gaming test on Players Unknown Battleground, a very spaghetti coded game, really push hard on gpu and a 1/3 of cpu my 4/8 core/threads

so yesterday I uploaded a little (24min, 3,6GB, 8hrs upload with no fibre) video of PUBG running on my Tornado F5.

I'm really scarce, only 17th with 2kills for this run.



All graphics settings on "High" but Distance view on "Ultra", 1920x1080, driver desktop 388.10,
Ambient 21°c (70F)
6700k@4,3Ghz 71°c (160F)
Fan not maxed out (2 step low in MSI sw)
Gtx 1080@0,875v 74°c (165F)

Cheers and have a nice play
^_^

 

Looks pretty good. What kinna mods u got on it?

@Mr. Fox any experience with the n950? Love to know how compares with f5

 

On game no mods ^_^

On Tornado F5:
delidded cpu from factory (EUROCOM),
repasted by me cpu with conductonaut liquid metal,
gpu (bad) repasted by me with phobya nanogrease and grizzly thermal pads,
bottom cover modded by Mr.Fox err Evoc..