Sager is now installing VISTA w/SP1 and shipping with a new Combo DVD w/both 64bit and 32bit Editions.

Some changes were made to the new recovery media as well.

It’s still a clean as it can be image just like a retail disc, but with the OEM license.

It is now a combo disc, with both 64bit and 32bit Editions on a single DVD media. You will get to pick which Edition to install.

The "Repair My Computer" option on the DVD only works for a 64bit install. However Sager also includes a 32bit "Repair My Computer" ISO image on the DVD so if you want the 32bit version you can burn that onto a CD and install it from there.

 

Wow! That's fantastic!
So Justin, will mine come in with the new disc with SP1 ?

 

They started shipping this way on Monday March 31st

 

Ah. Then I'm sure to have it. My laptop isn't shipped yet ....

 

That is some good news. So I takeit SP1 is officially an improvement .
Maybe I`ll try it someday in the future...until then, SP3 it is

 

Any changes to Win-XP Home/Pro?

 

As far as we are aware it will remain the same with SP2 at this time. As per Microsoft's posted timetable, the company will stop licensing Windows XP to OEMs and terminate retail sales of the operating system June 30, 2008, which isnt too far away....

 

Justin, since mine is shipping TODAY will it come as you described above or because it was built a month or so ago and then painted, will i need to download SP1 and have the old style discs....

thanks,
pat!

 

^^ Since it was built a couple weeks back it will not arrive with SP1. It will need to be downloaded through Windows Update.

 

no big deal justin, that takes all of what, 15 minutes? Will mine ship with the new fancy discs, though? Has it shipped yet? Is it shiny? Did you get a chance to see it? Does it miss me? Can you drive it here to Pennsylvania personally today? WEEEEEEEEE!!!!

apt!

 

How about mine ? Also, read PM.

 

Prasad, It will be installed/included on all shipments on and after the date Donald has posted.

Pat, it will take about 30 minutes in all to complete all 3 stages of the upgrade to SP1.

 

Alright... thanks much!!

 

wow, this is good news. both 32 and 64 bit and sp1 now lets see everyone else on 64.

 

For all of you like me, that don't have sp1 on your vista disk: there is hope. An awesome program called vLite can apparently make a new recovery disk out of your original and an sp1 download! I have not tried it yet as I have much better (funner) things to do with my new 5793, but I will get to it sometime. Perhaps someone can try it and let us know if it works?

http://www.labnol.org/software/tuto...1-bootable-windows-vista-dvd-integrated/2750/

 

Justin,

Thanks for the info. Also ('cause I'm too lazy to google it), do you know if, when MS shuts down Windows-XP sales on 6/30/08, will they also stop accepting license validations for copies of XP that were acquired before 6/30/08, but not installed on a system until after 6/30/08?

 

Stupid Microsoft.

 

And after it blue screens and destroys your XP dual boot - 3 hours to restore

 

That has to be the stupidest thing I've read all week. Does Microsoft really have their head that far up their own ass?

In any case, I hope that I'll be able to get everything I need in the laptop before the end of June then (mostly waiting on Montevina and wheter Sager/Clevo will release anything to challenge my current choice of a NP5793. Looking for it to have a 8800M GTX in it, with the smallest screen possible.)

 

"Support for Windows XP without a service pack (RTM) ended on September 30, 2004[43] and support for Windows XP Service Pack 1 and 1a ended on October 10, 2006.[44][45]

Mainstream support for Windows XP Service Pack 2 will end on April 14, 2009, four years after its general availability.[46] As per Microsoft's posted timetable, the company will stop licensing Windows XP to OEMs and terminate retail sales of the operating system June 30, 2008, 17 months after the release of Windows Vista.[47]

On April 14, 2009, Windows XP will begin its "Extended Support" period that will last for 5 years until April 8, 2014"


I dont think Vista will be working well untill 2010...

 

Which is a moot point since the next OS is coming out before 2010.

 

Vista is more than fine already, working for tons of people. Only people anal about some frames per second aren't going to switch.
The next operating system from Microsoft will be released after 2010, probably 2011-2012. I will quote myself then if I'm right. Anyway, stupid thing waiting for something that isn't released and tested.

 

Which is about all I really care about. As per Microsoft's Support Lifecycle Policy FAQ, security support for business products, including Win-XP Pro, will continue until the end of Extended Support in April 2014. In other words, I can count on getting updates from MS for security issues (to the extent you can count on MS for anything security-related ) until the point at which Windows 7 will have been released, and possibly to the point where the first service pack for Windows 7 has also been released.

In essence, as long as I don't mind missing out on any new bells and whistles that come out between '09 and '14, I should (90% or better odds) never have to deal with Vista unless and until it presents a better cost-benefit scenario than Windows-XP Pro does.

Now, before I get dumped on for being just another Vista-hater, let me spell it out a little more clearly: I don't "hate" Vista, I just don't see the upside at this point to switching over now because the added benefits (which are there, but aren't particularly spectacular), do not outweigh the additional costs of going to Vista, in particular, the amount of resources Vista consumes and the continuing bugginess inherent in any new software as complex as an operating system. Basically, if you normalize the Win-XP cost-benefit ratio so that it can be stated as a nominal value of 1:1 (i.e., Cost:Benefit, or 1 unit of cost for each unit of benefit), it's only worth switching to Vista if Vista's relative cost-benefit ratio is better than 1:1, e.g., 1:1+x, where x is any positive real number strictly greater than zero.

Unfortunately, as I see it, as Vista stands now, the cost-benefit ratio, using the normalized Win-XP ratio as a starting point, is (1+y) : (1+z), where y and z are positive real numbers, both strictly greater than zero, and y is strictly greater than z, which if normalized, gives a ratio of (C=1) : (B<1), e.g., 1:0.9. Now, I have no doubt that Vista SP1 improved that ratio for Vista, but so far all indications are that the normalized ratio is still less than 1:1. Until the ratio gets better than 1:1, I see no point in switching to Vista, not on a new machine, and certainly not on an older machine (assuming the older machine can deal with Vista at all - my current vaio certainly can't).

Addenda: I just recalled, and think that I verified on the MS website, that extended support will also be available for Windows-XP Home Edition through April 2014 - I recall MS making this an exception to their general policy of not providing extended support to consumer products as opposed to business products, in part because of the hullabaloo raised by the late release of Vista and the imminent dropping of mainstream support for Win-XP, so I guess that I don't have to necessarily switch over to XP Pro from Home Edition in order to get security coverage through April 2014. Microsoft's press release to that effect is here.

On this point, I looked at the Vista Home Support Policy, and it's interesting to note that mainstream support for Vista Home Premium stops on 4/10/2012, and no extended support is provided thereafter - in line with MS's basic support policy, which means that Win-XP Pro and Home Edition will both continue to get essential security support for 2 years after Vista Home becomes hacker-food. So, even if I switched to Vista in 2009 in order to get the new bells and whistles, I won't get either security or bells and whistles on Vista for two years that I can still get security on Win-XP. To get security support for Vista for as long as I can get it for Win-XP Home or Pro, I would need to get _Vista _Business. Unfortunately, this does not go into the "benefit" side of the Vista cost-benefit analysis.

 

darn mine just probably missed the packing with SP1, ha whatever i dont mind runnin updates and stuff to get my laptop to speed.