Sager to begin shipping NP5790 w/nVIDIA 7950GTX late the week of July 9th. Testing w/7950 GTX vs. 8700M shows 7950 GTX is KING!

Sager received its first shipment of NP5790 (Clevo M570RU) earlier this week; it has passed basic verification and functionality testing. It’s doing great in both performance and stability testing as well. Sager anticipates to begin shipping late next week with the nVIDIA GeForce Go 7950 GTX w/512MB Video Configuration.

nVIDIA GeForce 8700M GT w/512MB is still on schedule to enter the mass production stage at Clevo in late July, therefore it is still on schedule to be released in early August.

While we understand the market is moving forward into the new DX10 generation, please remember this new generation is still in its early stages as both software releases and optimization still have a lot of room to improve. With scores provided by Clevo combined with our testing at Sager we find that the nVIDIA GeForce Go 7950 GTX is still the KING of the block and we believe that everyone who ordered the NP5790 with the Go 7950 GTX will not be disappointed by its performance.

 

Well, kind of a bummer, but like you said, with software fixes and other patches, perhaps the 8700 will catch up. I'm not too concerned regardless. Way too much muscle for me. Give me an 8600 GT, and I'm happy.

 

Doesn't the 7950GTX have double the pipelines as the 8700M GT? 256 vs 128? Those results aren't too surprising.

 

is 8700M 256bit?

 

Agreed this follows the same trend as the 8600 series. It is disappointing that the trend continues.

 

No, it's 128bit.

I don't see how this is a trend. As a 128-bit card, the 8700mGT is the replacement of the Go7700, just as the 8600GT was the replacement of the Go7600. Taken in that light, there is not really any disappointing trend. The only under performing card is the 8600GS, but everyone knew that was a cut down card from when it's specs were released, it wasn't supposed to be a hard-core gamer's card. It's not fair to compare an 8m performance card to a 7000 series enthusiast card and say the 8m card "failed" because it fell slightly behind the enthusiast card. I say it's a miracle that the 128bit card came that close to the 7950GTX, and am suitably impressed with the engineering that went into creating such a high-performance card.

 

Yes the 7950 GTX does have double the pipelines, is 256-bit vs. 128-bit, and the 8700M is step up from the 7700, not the 7950 GTX so once you combine both differences you are right...no one should be surprised that the NP7950 GTX is still KING until the 8800M comes out late this year or early next.

 

Its "depressing" because most of us were looking at the 8700 as the "next big card" when actually the big daddy will be(or should be) the 8800.

 

Well that just made me want to buy a 7950 GTX with Rock 770 so much more appeal, but anyone know if there'll be any 8800 upgrades to this or any future upgrades at all isn't it MXM3?

 

Better to say "some of us" because most of us knew that the 8700M was only the upstep from the Go 7700, and didn't expect an inferior card with half the pipelines would be able to keep up with the 7950 GTX.

 

No one can tell you if you can upgrade to a card that doesn’t exist. The 8800M may have power and thermal requirements that exceed the current specs of the laptops that are out now. You can only hope and wait to see if it will be upgradeable.

 

Meh 7950 GTX it is then >.<, now anyone willing to donate towards my laptop? You get a free t-shirt ...

EDIT: Change of plan I've got till September anyway might as well see how it matches up in real game figures.

 

Like said before:

The 8700M GT specs:
TDP: 35w
Max Memory: 512MB DDR3
Memory Interface: Dual-rank 128-bit
Core Clock (MHz): 625
Shader Clock (MHz): 1250
Memory Clock (MHz): 800

If it were using 256-bit memory interface than it would be the victor.

 

The other good news is that the Go 7950 GTX will continue to be available until it is replaced by a card that can beat its performance.

 

is it possible to get this card wit a 2090....
also,isn't ati releasing a new card?

 

goke313, if you're referring to 7950gtx, then it won't fit. I highly doubt 8700 will fit in 2090 either. And certainly not the 8800m.

 

Thanks for this update Donald. I have used the Go7800GTX, Go7900GTX, and even the Go7950GTX SLI setup, and the sheer power in these cards is unbelievable. I don't see how anyone would be disappointed by the performance, I'm in full agreement.

 

Are the GPU size constraints and heat dissipation levels on the NP5790 approximately equal to those of the NP9260? I ask because the NP5790 is sounding pretty good to me right now, but if the NP9260 has a higher chance of being upgradable to the 8800m, I might pay a bit more for that, and for RAID.

 

Really hard to tell at the moment, we haven't even heard confirmed reports from nvidia about 8800M specs, and in all possibility, it could just be way too hot for today's laptops which may explain their unusual hush-hush about the matter.

I wouldn't put any bets on it, but if I wanted the best performance now, I'd get a 7950. For future-proofing, maybe an 8600M or 8700M is better, but their performance against the 7950 tells us that DX9 won't be out of the fight for quite some time.

 

I highly doubt this will be the case. I think they have both mxm module that are based off of pretty much same configuration. However np9260 can take 2 8800. Nonetheless 5290 will have enough power to play pretty much everything at high setting. My assumpation is that if 5290 can't be upgarded then neither will np9260.

 

Then this sounds like a pretty good deal. Now I just have to decide if the ability to work with Direct3D 10 is worth an overall performance hit, and an extra month's wait... Hrmm...

Edit: Oh, and thanks for the info.

 

Ok... So I've preordered the NP5790, and "Sager to begin shipping NP5790 w/nVIDIA 7950GTX late the week of July 9th." Does that mean they will ship them to Xotic first (or powernotebooks or whichever retailer), and then I, the customer, will finally receive the laptop at an even later date? Can anyone with authority tell me what this eta window will be? thanks, im overly anxious.

 

Holy wow... that's really disappointing.

I guess the only thing we can wait for now is the 8800GT this winter, or else it will be a hard choice between 7950/DX9 or a 8700/DX10..

 

Better to check with your reseller as to what you can expect.

 

On the off chance that this supports Penryn, after a bios update, come the first half of 2008, how hard would it be to get the upgrade?

Edit: Never mind. I just read something about a voltage regulator that it would probably be missing... Ah, decisions, decisions...

 

As far as I can tell, I think you will get them straight from the factory.

 

Eagerly awaiting the ship date!

 

Now only if the NP5790 comes with dual 7950GXT in SLI!

If Arima can fit 2 HD's for RAID config., dual 7950GXT's in SLI, and an optical drive... all that into a thin 8.6 lbs. chassis which Alienware pawns off as the m9750, why can't Clevo do the same in the sleek M570RU. I so don't wanna have to lug around an ugly heavy 12 lbs. box like the D901C.

 

That's why Sager offers the NP9260.

The Alienware M9750 is a good deal more expensive than the NP5790 I might add.

 

Why don't you get the Alienware then

 

Alienware is way overpriced when you do some comparison shopping. Just check out their ridiculous mark up for RAM. With XoticPC, upgrading from 2GB to 4GB of RAM only costs ya $170 bucks. Whereas with Alienware going up to 4GB of RAM will be a $1000 big hurt!

Oh, and with XoticPC upgrading to a C2D T7700 2.4GHz processor is a reasonable $330 whereas with Alienware going up to the inferior T7600 @ 2.33GHz alone is $700 bucks.

And for the HD, when configuring with XoticPC, upgrading from 160GB 7200RPM Seagate HD to a Hitachi 200GB 7200RPM is a mere $75. With Alien-rip-off it's a $300 tag.

Disclosure: I'm not an employee of XoticPC, nor have I ever purchased a product from XoticPC. I'm just an appreciative shopper who is glad that companies such as XoticPC can offer us discriminating customers quality components at a much more reasonable price. Thanks Justin, keep up the good work buddy!

 

Agreed! Too bad the NP9260 is a big-ol' ugly box that weighs ~12lbs. If you're a mobile person, who'd want to lug that monster around. Yeah, yeah, I know, it's what inside that count. But heck, if I'm gonna shell out that kinda dough, I'd like my lappie to not look like an ugly box. Image is everything!

 

Agreed dit_xi...and you can come to work for PowerNotebooks.com anytime!

 

I see that a fingerprint reader is shown in pics of the NP5790, but not listed in the specs. I checked out Clevo's website and they list it as an option. Is this option not available yet?

 

That is correct...it is not yet available

 

Thanks dit_xi for your kind words.

 

Justin, have you guys got your 5790's yet...... I can't stand this much longer...........

 

Yeah... Justin, for those people who pre-ordered the NP5790 from Xotic (me), when are you guys going to ship them out to us?

Powernotebooks are shipping preorders this week, according to Paladin44.

What's the deal with xotic man?

 

Please note that this thread says SAGER to begin shipping, not PowerNotebooks.com or Xoticpc...these are Sager laptops and will be shipped by Sager from their factory in California.

Now, since it appears that you are also in California yours may well have to be shipped to Xoticpc first so that they don't have to collect sales tax, but I would imagine they would be just as happy to ship directly to you as long as you are willing to pay the sales tax.

Please have a little more patience, and understand that Sager is the manufacturer and they will be shipping orders from both PowerNotebooks.com and Xoticpc simultaneously.

 

Thanks Paladin

Donald is right on. As soon as Sager has these 5790's ready for shipment we will start shipping immediately. PowerNotebooks & Xotic PC will all be shipping notebooks simultaneously.

The 5790's are in stock at Sager and starting initial testing on first units. I understand the frustration, we are doing everything in our power to get notebooks shipped ASAP. We appreciate everyone's patience.

 

Nooooooo, I don't want reality..... Lie to me....... LOL. Thanks for the updates guys.

 

Is it always this crazy when a new laptop is soon to come out?

 

Not always...but usually yes...particularly when it is a brand new platform (chipset/processor/video card)

 

This may be a stupid question, but I figure I'll ask. I'm in the market for a new notebook, and I'm just wondering: Will there be any chance that the video card in the 5790 will be upgradable in the future?

Thanks

 

Supposedly it comes with a standard module/slot/whatever that will be simple to upgrade. However I think that laptop video cards cost abhorrent amounts of money so it will be an expensive upgrade.

 

thats a true statement.

notebook videocards are something of a rarity since less than 1% of all notebooks have the ability to even upgrade videocard modules.

Most of the upgradeable modules are usually mid to high-end videocards, which are already pretty pricey for desktops... and for notebook equivalents, expect them to be 50-80% more.

And the supply for these videocard modules are usually not plentiful... which affects the price as well.

I have been debating awhile now on my own notebook, I can upgrade from a 7800GTX to a 7950GTX.... but the module costs approx $500.
So the 30-35% performance increase does not make it worth it... especially for those that do not have money to burn.

But the fact of the matter is that it can be upgraded.

 

The 8800M will not be released until this Winter. No one can tell you if you can upgrade to a card that doesn’t exist. The 8800M may have power and thermal requirements that exceed the current specs of the laptops that are out now. You can only hope and wait to see if it will be upgradeable.

The 8700M will be available in the NP5790 later this Summer, but as you can see from the table in the first post in this thread, it is not better than the 7950 GTX except that it is DX10.

 

And really, this is the problem. We don't know how good the 8800M is going to be, that is, will it even be viable to play DX10 games two years from now at reasonable frame rates.

 

Man there are soooo many threads and questions about the 7950 GTX and how upgradable the 5790 will be. Someone who has given the definitive answer (which in essence is no definitive answer since we won't really know until the 8800 comes out) should sticky a thread and paste the hyperlink to anybody who needs it...

 

Well when the 8800s are released (assuming they are compatible) the price of the 7950GTX's should drop right?