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    Sager's Nvidia GTX 280M

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by JDELUNA, May 1, 2009.

  1. JDELUNA

    JDELUNA Notebook Deity

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    Can someone please post how the GTX 280M actually looks like from a Sager without the heatsink. I would really appreciate it. I plan on purchasing one for my laptop which is not a Sager that currently has a 8800M GTX but just want to make sure my current heatsink will fit and work with it. Thanks !!!
     
  2. BlueForceDisc

    BlueForceDisc Notebook Guru

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    bro, bro oh bro. U will need a bios update and the thermal budget of that 280GTX is bigga then of da 8800GTX. So I m gunnna sey that for 99.9999% your laptop wont take the GTX280, especially if its not a sager.
     
  3. Gophn

    Gophn NBR Resident Assistant

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    when you buy the videocard module from one of the Sager vendors, they will send it with the new heatsink assembly.
     
  4. BlueForceDisc

    BlueForceDisc Notebook Guru

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    btw gophn, 66 rep power!?? u re serious. u never just wanted to say damn from time to time. U re like saint, u re missing out on life.
     
  5. Gophn

    Gophn NBR Resident Assistant

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    I have gotten annoyed a number of times.... mainly from noobs posting ridiculous posts without doing a quick search before make a new thread. :D
     
  6. BlueForceDisc

    BlueForceDisc Notebook Guru

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    yeah, I hate those too :D BTW. I m on rep powwwwaa 1. Someone found my post very informative and gave me rep. thx to him.
     
  7. Kevin

    Kevin Egregious

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    JDELUNA, as I've told you before, the 280M will burn in your m15x. Just don't even consider trying it, it's dangerous.
     
  8. The_Observer

    The_Observer 9262 is the best:)

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    +1 to that.

     
  9. Shyster1

    Shyster1 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    But if you do, make sure you get it all on vidcam so you can share it with us! :D
     
  10. houstoned

    houstoned Yoga Pants Connoisseur.

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    aren't m15x's already burnin hot with the provided GPU's? i've read about stories of guys' hinges meltin and random plastic pieces meltin from excessive heat.
     
  11. JDELUNA

    JDELUNA Notebook Deity

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    Hi Kevin I appreciate your concern, but I am going to try it anyways once I get one in. My reasoning is the following and it may or may not make sense:

    Info taken from Notebookcheck.com


    8800M GTX rated at 65watts and 65nm die

    GTX 260M / 280M rated at UP to 75watts and 55nm die

    The smaller the die, then it *should* run cooler than its equivalent in a 65nm die.

    I *believe* that someone posted on another thread that unofficially Alienware has been testing the M15X with a GTX 260M, but they have not released any results, etc.

    Worst case scenario is if I try this, it does not work on my laptop and I end up selling the working GTX 280M video card to someone on this board that has a laptop that can use it.
     
  12. Shyster1

    Shyster1 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Just for posterity's sake, run the vidcam the first time you fire it up!
     
  13. JDELUNA

    JDELUNA Notebook Deity

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    I have not heard of any melting hinges or plastic pieces. I know when I tested my 8800M GTX using a mild 10% overclock to 550/880/1375Mhz I had it running ATI Tools test for 3 hours straight just the laptop and NO notebook cooler and according to HWMONITOR the highest it got was 89C averaging around 86-87C.
     
  14. houstoned

    houstoned Yoga Pants Connoisseur.

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    i actually read about it on this forum. i'm thinkin the dell/alienware section. good luck with the project tho. as others have already stated, we're just lookin out for u brosky.
     
  15. Kevin

    Kevin Egregious

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    You're talking about the breaking hinges. And well, that's a common issue on the forums. But back on topic...
    So if you hit 89° @ 550/880/1375, surely you don't expect to stay below that with a card that's a stock 585/1463/800 with 32 more processing cores. The flaw in your theory is in the bolded; the 9800M GT is not this cards 65nm equivalent, so there's no correlation from which to draw theoretical heat output. This card is a downclocked desktop 9800 GTX+, which is why it draws more power, even on a smaller die. A 75w card with even more shaders is going to be muh hotter than you realize.

    Take it this way: the 9800M GTX (75w, 112 shaders, @ 500/1375/800) would be too hot, yes? Then 75w, 128 shaders, @ 585/1463/800 will be scorching hot, regardless of 55 or 65. It's not even worth testing. I wouldn't even try it, and my notebook's cooling solution is quite superior to the m15x's.

    You could try the GTX 260M though, as that's likely to be near identical to the 8800M GTX's thermal specification.
     
  16. Oiad

    Oiad Notebook Evangelist

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    Hehehe, for japes that's almost rep-worthy. If it actualy inspires him to record it then I'll stick to my word.
     
  17. Bartlett

    Bartlett The Prophet

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    The 75 Watt TDP of the 280M GTX is equivalent to that of the 9800M GTX. Although it has more shaders, its smaller process will compensate for the extra heat that could be produced. Regardless the card outputs a maximum of 75 watts, therefore the heat is the same. Heat with electronics is based on electricity consumption. I am 100% positive the 260M GTX would work fine, and about 75% sure that the 280M GTX will work.
     
  18. ettornio

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    If you want a GTX 280m so badly, then here's what I suggest you do:

    1. Sell your M15x.
    2. Buy a Sager NP5797, or the NP9280
    3. Enjoy
     
  19. akaltenbach

    akaltenbach Notebook Consultant

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    I think Ettornio is right on this one, it would probally be easier to sell the alienware and get a newer laptop.
     
  20. 000022

    000022 Notebook Consultant

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    Kaltmond had to downclock for the 9800m GTX to work, on a laptop with a better cooling system than the m15x. Seems like it performed worse, and crashes constantly without a good cooler under it, than a OC 9800m GT with stable clocks.

    Let's say that the GTX 280m do work on the m15x, without a bios update (doubt it though), the GTX 260m will theoretically be running circles around it, when stability, performance in the long run AND portability (the cooler) comes into play, but it's your money, you can do whatever with it.
     
  21. Shyster1

    Shyster1 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Nah, I wanna see that thing go up in flames - do it man, do it!

    [​IMG]

    Burn, baby, burn!
     
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  22. Gophn

    Gophn NBR Resident Assistant

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    in a M15x....

    Try it and fry it.
     
  23. xor01

    xor01 Notebook Deity

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    You're quoting the antagonist in the movie "The Crow" , yes ?? :p
     
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    :rolleyes:

    Nah, he was quoting Al Gore on what he really thinks should happen to the icecaps... ...or possibly the Trammps...
     
  25. Shyster1

    Shyster1 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Aahh, the woes of getting too old... anyone here know who Hendrix was?
     
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    Jimi Hendrix ? :))
     
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    Oiad Notebook Evangelist

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    Forget sarcasm as the lowest form of wit, the worst part is that it rarely transfers to a messageboard that well. Still, it's good to know that people prefer to have something to read and not feel the need to bother with the pictures.
     
  28. Deathwinger

    Deathwinger Notebook Virtuoso

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    These young chaps can probably tell you about the guitarist who have composed for the latest video games.


    But to the guy with the m15x, dude, go ahead and try it, once you have enough cooling going to the graphics card, it should work. The lifetime of the laptop I can't say how long it will last after that but small thing, at least you had a blast with it before right? :D
     
  29. The_Moo™

    The_Moo™ Here we go again.....

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    we see how this worked out :)

    SUCCESS!!!
     
  30. Gophn

    Gophn NBR Resident Assistant

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    .. with minor issue of external display AFAIK.
     
  31. The_Moo™

    The_Moo™ Here we go again.....

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    hummmmmmmm What was that Gophn?

    its been an issue of the m15x before .... it is curious why it does not work ....sounds like driver or bios
     
  32. Gophn

    Gophn NBR Resident Assistant

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    the temps are a bit surprising, but I guess the die-shrink and the slight mod did help.

    although at max load, it still get in the 90 C range in the M15x.
     
  33. The_Moo™

    The_Moo™ Here we go again.....

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    well it is a 280m gtx .... lol

    they are high but a undervolt should keep them in the mid-high 80's
     
  34. Kevin

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    He hit 94°C just running benchmarks. I don't consider that a stable gaming machine.

    I would like to know if a 4850 or 4870 would drop in and work.
     
  35. The_Moo™

    The_Moo™ Here we go again.....

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    hummmm...4850 maybe .... i wonder if the bios would recognize that
     
  36. Kevin

    Kevin Egregious

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    The thing is at 94°C just running benchmarks. His statement wasn't too far off.
     
  37. The_Moo™

    The_Moo™ Here we go again.....

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    well it runs..... but not the greatest

    gotta admit it was surprising, i think the 260 should have been put in trying to squeeze a 280 in there was over kill
     
  38. poopdawg27

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    yeah honestly if he was hitting like 90C on the 9800...that's terrible... i'm overclocked way past that and hit 80C at the very highest. I am going to toss a 280 in my m860 though, because it can actually handle the heat.
     
  39. The_Moo™

    The_Moo™ Here we go again.....

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    he was hitting 90c with a 280 ........
     
  40. xor01

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    I know who he is. Just don't know his songs that well. Only Little Wiing and Voodoo's Child comes to mind.


    So, how's the result?
     
  41. xor01

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    I know who he is. Just don't know his songs that well. Only Little Wiing and Voodoo's Child comes to mind.


    So, how's the result?
     
  42. poopdawg27

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    notice the 89C running ATI Tool. that's an 8800m gtx/ 9800m gt, i'm not crazy. And like I said, that should not bode well for the poor 280. lol