Schenker P502 - two questions

I'm currently battling myself which laptop to buy for gaming needs and I happened to stumble upon this one. I know Schenker puts Clevo Laptops together and I'd like to know some things...

1) What kind of Clevo laptop is it?

2) Does it support AMDs BACON aka Switchable Graphics technology when a 7970 is put in form Schenker?

3) Is everything inside there, given enough computer skills, actually replaceable? I suppose Schenker just puts slot cards and stuff in, do they?

 

Try reading some forum posts or even reading the product description on the website instead. How lazy can you get? Lowering the bar for sure here.

 

thats the p150em, yes it does support it but the driver currently doesnt work properly, and yes everything in there is easily replaceable

source: i own one

 

if you can afford it id recommend the nvidia 680 instead.

and yes, i own one a s well

where are you germany or uk?

 

Jesus, the product description said absolutely nothing, and searching the forum for a German model didn'd do much.

Googling for the thing didn't answer any of those questions...

The nVidia 680? I'm pushed my price limit with the 7970 already... Hm

Also I'm German.

What does "the driver doesn't work properly" mean to me? The thing I found is that some games won't recognize the 7970 and won't trigger it subsequently. Is there a workaround for that, such as forcing the 7970 to always-use, perhaps in the BIOS at least? Haven't found anything on that yet.

 

i dont think the 7970m recognizing problem affects everyone, but the enduro driver issue does, and currently no work arounds until AMD releases new drivers to fix it. enduro issue is where while the game runs on the card, it does not get utilized 100%, so you maybe running say battlefield 3, but only get the GPU to utilize maybe 60% and get crappy frame rates (e.g. 20s)

 

tech spec mySN UK | XMG | by Schenker Notebooks - XMG P502 15.6" Notebook

taken from uk site as i cant read german


found it http://www.mysn.de/detail.asp?beste...B868272A8&KategorienOrder=010;020;015;010;010

 

It's the first think that turns up when you search for schenker 502 clevo.
It's reasonable to expect people to have some basic idea of how to search. That's probably why he posted what he did.

 

That's crazy... How long is the issue known to AMD by now?

After using my newly acquired keyword - enduro - to search into the problem I found out that it doesn't affect Alienware laptops... Does AMD have any sway in this problem in that case? Maybe an energy savings feature inside the Clevo is overdoing it...

I hope they solve this problem soon, because I don't really want to shell out another 300 Euros for a GTX 680 especially because, according to PassMark, it's inferior to the 7970. And since I saw the 7970 option and the performance plus it gives I'd really hate to go down to GTX 675.

Yes, I already saw these tech specs. They don't say anything about the AMD Switchable Graphics thing though.

 

its not a clevo problem, its enduro problem. alienware doesnt have it because it uses a MUXless system

 

Read the 7970m logging thread on this forum.
A fix for this problem is expected this month some time.
The problem effects any laptop using Enduro, although AW allows the iGPU to be bypassed so avoiding the issue. In fact anyone with the previous Clevo model (like mine) also doesn't suffer the problem as switchable graphics are not supported.

 

I should read more into the whole deal before talking .

This month? Sounds perfect. I already looked into the thread but just closed it as no information was provided on the first post... except for just a template on how to report the logs you collect...

I will read through it in more detail now.

 

i think tom's hard ware or was it anandtech tested out the new fix, but it doesnt seem to offer too much improvement at high settings, though low settings see a major improvement

 

it was anandtech. the gains weren't so great at max settings because the under utilization issues affect lower settings more. Basically, the hotfix will allow one to lower their settings to get increased fps. that isn't possible right now. plus, the games he tested aren't normally greatly affected by enduro. the hotfix will hopefully have better results with games that are majorly crippled by enduro, like saints row.

my guess is the issues won't be completely fixed from the first hotfix release, it'll take several new driver releases before most problems are ironed out.

 

Well I'm used to buying beta stuff (LG Optimus 2X Android phone anyone? It was SO alpha until Cyanogenmod stepped in) so I think I'll still take that 7970. The enduro at least gives my battery a longer uptime. The price for the best NVidia is just too huge of a step up.

I have an Alienware M11X R2 right now but for me it just doesn't keep up anymore. I chose the lowest processor which bites me now. This time I'm not going to skimp so much and take a good quad i7 into this laptop...

The added benefit of being able to change a good amount of things at a later date is also awesome.

By the way, first I looked at the Alienware M14X with the GT650... It's pretty bad in comparison to the GTX 670 and 675 or even the 7970 beast which cost the same in a Clevo laptop. It's easy for me to pass on super aesthetics for the added benefit of SPEED!